CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[ab01]

I don't think she would have been capable of even getting up, let alone running throughout the house. One hard blow to the head and she would likely be unconscious. I think he tracked the blood through the house. KK said there were bloody footprints. Imo

I agree I think many of the things that likely had blood on them were from cast off, PF touching things, PF failed attempt at cleaning up, and KK cleaning up. MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

I agree I think many of the things that likely had blood on them were from cast off, PF touching things, PF failed attempt at cleaning up, and KK cleaning up. MOO

Well, I don't know much about baseball, but if a pitcher can throw a ball at 70 or 80 miles an hour then how much force would there be when swinging a bat? I would think it would be pretty powerful.

 

[acutename]

Odd huh? Arrested development..

border collies can learn hundreds of commands. he is only demonstrating about 5. have never seen dogs chained to a fence like that. .....is that common?

 

[ab01]

Well, I don't know much about baseball, but if a pitcher can throw a ball at 70 or 80 miles an hour then how much force would there be when swinging a bat? I would think it would be pretty powerful.

MLB Player: 8,314 pounds of force

Nile Crocodile: 5,000 pounds of force

Great White Shark: 3,600 pounds of force

African Lion: 1,235 pounds of force.

 

[ajaylee]

I don't think she would have been capable of even getting up, let alone running throughout the house. One hard blow to the head and she would likely be unconscious. I think he tracked the blood through the house. KK said there were bloody footprints. Imo

I'm not sure. If the information we have is accurate, I think he tied the sweater around her head with the knot in the back. I think his first blow was from behind, meaning it was cushioned by the knot on the sweater. That could have accounted for the tooth being knocked completely out. I'm not sure I believe that first blow killed KB. I think it's possible that she did move around a bit as he continued to batter her.

IIRC, he told KK one well-placed blow was all it would take. Of course, he also told her a blow to the back of the head wouldn't generate much blood, although scalp wounds can be notoriously bloody.

I just don't think there would have been so much blood around if he had taken her down with one blow.

 

[Hatch]

Unfortunately That’s likely to be pondered for 2 yrs imo....stay tuned

IMO she could be mistaken how many bullets were in the clip.

 

[ab01]

IMO she could be mistaken how many bullets were in the clip.

I think that's highly plausible seeing that we already know that she wasn't worried about the gun enough to remove it from her car before somebody borrowed it. But yet we are supposed to believe she knew the exact condition she left it in. I think she is simply mistaken......MOO

 

[NanZDrew]

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ITA. According to MG, she exchanged cars with KK on 11/23 at Walmart in Jerome, Idaho. I don't remember a time mentioned for this meetup. KK claims to have left the Twin Falls, Idaho area at about 6:30PM on 11/23 arriving in the WP, CO area at about 7:30AM on 11/24.

ITA we don't know where KK herself physically was located prior to that vehicle exchange. KK thinks nothing of long distance driving, and who can know if someone else drove her to CO between 11/21 - 11/23.

The only witness to KK's whereabouts on 11/22 mentioned in the Prelim is her father:

Sam Kraemer on Twitter
Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV2m2 minutes ago
Defense asking if Slater was involved in discussion with Chad Lee, Krystal’s estranged husband. Defense says Lee didn’t know much about Frazee. Same goes for Krystal’s dad, who didn’t notice anything different on Thanksgiving Day when he was with Krystal. @KOAA #KrystalKenney

But that doesn't tell us where they were. I wonder if she rode down to CO with her dad. Isn't that where some of his family lives?

 

[Hatch]

To answer a query that we received, Thank You for asking.

YES it is okay to link to and discuss PF's youtube channel.

Somebody link it. Plz

 

[Herat]

B


But that doesn't tell us where they were. I wonder if she rode down to CO with her dad. Isn't that where some of his family lives?

As I recall, "poison-coffee Auntie of KKL" lives in Colorado.

Would that be the sibling of KKL's father?

 

[Hatch]

Odd huh? Arrested development..

Do we have a date when this basic dog video was made?
Reason: He states he had borrowed the smart phone.

 

[Hatch]

I couldn't even listen to it. That whistle in the beginning made me jump 3 feet off the bed.

And this little b---- here is ? His voice does not go with the way he looks.

 

[PommyMommy]

Somebody link it. Plz

Patrick Frazee

 

[ajaylee]

And this little b---- here is ? His voice does not go with the way he looks.

I started to post that earlier. His voice was not what I expected.

 

[GordianKnot]

I didn't realize, as I hadn't seen it I will delete it. My apologies

Ab, you don't need to delete it, and you certainly don't need to apologize for posting it!

Because there's been limited info for us to discuss at times, there's been a lot of redundancy and repetition on this thread, with many of us finding ourselves restating the same things over and over just to keep KB's thread active. If we deleted all the duplicate posts, we'd eliminate literally half the discussion material.

Having the same video posted a couple of times is a total non-issue.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Do we have a date when this basic dog video was made?
Reason: He states he had borrowed the smart phone.

Your comment gave me a thought. I personally choose to use a flip phone rather than a smart phone. I suppose we don't know whether PF actually had a smartphone at all, even recently. I live in ranching country and tech stuff is avoided or only adopted grudgingly to a large extent (these are, for the most part, folks who would like to go back to "old-fashioned" ways of life). I will be unsurprised when/if it is revealed that PF didn't know how pings work, etc.

 

[PommyMommy]

Do we have a date when this basic dog video was made?
Reason: He states he had borrowed the smart phone.

April 21, 2014

 

[MassGuy]

Your comment gave me a thought. I personally choose to use a flip phone rather than a smart phone. I suppose we don't know whether PF actually had a smartphone at all, even recently. I live in ranching country and tech stuff is avoided or only adopted grudgingly to a large extent (these are, for the most part, folks who would like to go back to "old-fashioned" ways of life). I will be unsurprised when/if it is revealed that PF didn't know how pings work, etc.

I think he atleast had a rudimentary understanding, but his mistake was keeping Kelsey’s phone right by his, for about 2 days after he last claimed to have seen her.

He was probably holding the phones side by side, as he texted and called her.

Scratch that, he had zero understanding.

 

[Hatch]

I wanted

I didn't realize, as I hadn't seen it I will delete it. My apologies

We all needed a reminder, even though it is chilling.

 

[PommyMommy]

I didn't realize, as I hadn't seen it I will delete it. My apologies

Not only are there many new members here who haven't seen this video, but it shows a round trough, something that didn't have any significance to me the first time I watched it. Thanks for posting it again, ab01.
MOO