CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[ab01]

I think what @Gunslinging Granny might be thinking, and if she's not then I am, is that if the camera is located on one of the two houses seen in the background of this photo

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and is angled in such a way that KB's door and/or walkway is visible, then a tall vehicle parked in the right spot along Lake Ave could block said camera from said door/walkway.

Is that likely?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

We don't actually know where the security camera is located, IMO. I don't even think we know which neighbor's camera is being referred to. There are multiple places where one could be. I think we determined (to the best of our speculation) that the camera is not on the west neighbor's satellite dish.

Assuming the parking lot is south of her condo, I don't know how it could not be on the west side?

I would think it would have to be in the west side if the parking lot is south of her condo. That is the only way that he could be seen entering her condo is if it was on either the South..to the west side of her condo.

Am I missing something?

 

[Dave F.]

Here is an accurate, up to date list of the rest areas between Florissant, CO and Hansen, ID that may have security cameras:

Colorado Welcome Rest Area
Exit 19
Fruita, Colorado

Utah Welcome Rest Area
Mile 228 Westbound only
Harley Dome, Utah

Thompson Welcome Center
Mile 190 Westbound Only
Thompson, Utah

Crescent Junction Rest Area
Exit 181 Eastbound Only
Crescent Junction, Utah

Springville Rest Area
Exit 261 East and West Bound
Springville, Utah

Perry Rest Area
Mile 361 North Bound only
Ogden, Utah

Brigham City Rest Area
Mile 369 South Bound only
Brigham City, Utah

Stone Rest Area
Mile 269 East and West Bound
Stone, Idaho

Raft River Area Rest Stop
Mile 229, Ecxit 15, West Bound only
160 S 1975 E
Declo, Idaho

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Is that likely?

Who knows how often vehicles park there? Who knows if that's where the relevant cameras are even located? We're just trying to find plausible reasons why someone entering the condo on 11/22 was seen but the same camera apparently (that we know of) didn't capture those entering and leaving 2 days later. First we identify what's possible and plausible, then we can think about whether it's the most likely scenario or not. IMO respectfully.

Assuming the parking lot is south of her condo, I don't know how it could not be on the west side?

I would think it would have to be in the west side if the parking lot is south of her condo. That is the only way that he could be seen entering her condo is if it was on either the South..to the west side of her condo.

Am I missing something?

I don't see why it has to be from the south. See my post #881 -- why couldn't a camera on a house to the north, looking south, capture the walkway and door just as easily?

 

[Gardener1850]

I think what @Gunslinging Granny might be thinking, and if she's not then I am, is that if the camera is located on one of the two houses seen in the background of this photo

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and is angled in such a way that KB's door and/or walkway is visible, then a tall vehicle parked in the right spot along Lake Ave could block said camera from said door/walkway.

There is no parking on Lake Ave and there are trees and a tall stone wall that would prevent a utility vehicle parking on the grass on either side. Streetviews: Google Maps
Google Maps


MOO.

 

[Dave F.]

Is that likely?

No, it is not. Notice in the photo that camera is viewing down at the porchlight, which is mounted between 6.5 ft and 7 ft above the concrete walk. The fence to the left is 3 ft high. The timber retaining wall above and behind in it 2 ft higher. A security camera mounted high on either of those houses in the background, viewing a 6 ft 2 inch man standing at the front foor of the condo, would see only his head and collar. It would probably not pick up the top of KB's or KKL's head. Additionally, the motion sensors that operate these type of security cameras have a maximum detection range of 60 feet outward from the unit. It is an infrared detection, so it's ability diminishes severely with distance, dropping to zero at that 60 ft radius. IMO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

It could have accidentally blocked KK's arrived on Nov 22nd. If a car or truck was parked in the alley parking lot of Kelsey's home and KK came down the corridor (between her duplex and her neighbor's) from the STREET side, the camera couldn't record this.

The surveillance camera also didn't record KK exiting. The surveillance camera is unreliable.

The cadaverine on the socks in Kelsey's Toyota may have been from Kelsey's mom or brother using the Toyota when they came to check in December.

Perhaps this is where many people are not understanding what others are saying.

Perhaps you were thinking that the alleyway is the 5 to 6 foot clearance at her front door?

Where are you thinking the alleyway is? Here?

 

[Auntie Cipation]

There is no parking on Lake Ave and there are trees and a tall stone wall that would prevent a utility vehicle parking on the grass on either side. Streetviews: Google Maps
Google Maps


MOO.

No, it is not. Notice in the photo that camera is viewing down at the porchlight, which is mounted between 6.5 ft and 7 ft above the concrete walk. The fence to the left is 3 ft high. The timber retaining wall above and behind in it 2 ft higher. A security camera mounted high on either of those houses in the background, viewing a 6 ft 2 inch man standing at the front foor of the condo, would see only his head and collar. It would probably not pick up the top of KB's or KKL's head. Additionally, the motion sensors that operate these type of security cameras have a maximum detection range of 60 feet outward from the unit. It is an infrared detection, so it's ability diminishes severely with distance, dropping to zero at that 60 ft radius. IMO

OK thanks, this info changes my thoughts.

 

[ab01]

Where would these cameras be? There is a huge tree located behind KB apartement. And on the other side of the condo there is a main road and those houses are a long distance away. Couple that with the door being on side of the condo, I fail to see where a utility truck could come into play? MOO

 

[Dave F.]

Who knows how often vehicles park there? Who knows if that's where the relevant cameras are even located? We're just trying to find plausible reasons why someone entering the condo on 11/22 was seen but the same camera apparently (that we know of) didn't capture those entering and leaving 2 days later. First we identify what's possible and plausible, then we can think about whether it's the most likely scenario or not. IMO respectfully.

Really, people, we went through this several threads back. The place where KB's cars were parked is directly NORTH of her firelace. The opposite place, back where her air conditioner unit sits and there are pine trees between the condo and the street, is SOUTH. The neighbor who gave her the baby gate is in the other half of the duplex, which is WEST. The person who said PF's truck was parked behind KB's lives in the next unit to the EAST.

I don't see why it has to be from the south. See my post #881 -- why couldn't a camera on a house to the north, looking south, capture the walkway and door just as easily?

 

[Dave F.]

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Where would these cameras be? There is a huge tree located behind KB apartement. And on the other side of the condo there is a main road and those houses are a long distance away. Couple that with the door being on side of the condo, I fail to see where a utility truck could come into play? MOO

A utility truck didn't come into play. A utility man did. IMO

 

[ab01]

Ok I guess I will just concede its plausible, Although I see no evidence to make it seem likely.

No evidence that KK was there on the 22nd.....is that fair?

 

[ab01]

A utility truck didn't come into play. A utility man did. IMO

respectfully I was responding to @Gunslinging Granny

Eta it can be tricky when we try to respond as to saying what a particular user was trying to say....MOO

And I think I quoted the wrong post my apologies @Dave F.

And I'm out as well, I just can't see the relevance......

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Good grief, no. Look at all the photos. Look at the parking area on the alley side of Kelsey's duplex. The parking area is several yards from that short corridor. If a car was parked IN THE PARKING AREA in front of that corridor (the ALLEY side), it would prevent a security camera across the alley from recording who entered Kelsey's apartment from the STREET SIDE of the corridor entrance.
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Three strikes I'm outta this discussion. Moving on.

 

[Mountain Misst]

“Fourth Judicial District Judge Scott Sells ruled Tuesday that evidence was sufficient to merit a murder trial for Frazee, who remains held in the Teller County jail without bond. A trial likely will be scheduled when Frazee returns to enter a plea March 4.”


https://gazette.com/news/patrick-frazee-allegedly-had-blindfolded-kelsey-berreth-bludgeoned-her-with/article_acf2c29e-34c1-11e9-9cbe-ffdd4f88d281.html

Anyone think a trial date will actually be set Monday?

BBM

4April - disposition (custody I think)
8 April - arraignment

Perhaps this gives support to an early PF trial date: Court has set a (tentative) hearing date for KK as 11am on 24June2019. Her hearing would need to be after PF trial in order to substantiate her plea deal wouldn't it?

 

[MyBelle]

Here is an accurate, up to date list of the rest areas between Florissant, CO and Hansen, ID that may have security cameras:

Colorado Welcome Rest Area
Exit 19
Fruita, Colorado

Utah Welcome Rest Area
Mile 228 Westbound only
Harley Dome, Utah

Thompson Welcome Center
Mile 190 Westbound Only
Thompson, Utah

Crescent Junction Rest Area
Exit 181 Eastbound Only
Crescent Junction, Utah

Springville Rest Area
Exit 261 East and West Bound
Springville, Utah

Perry Rest Area
Mile 361 North Bound only
Ogden, Utah

Brigham City Rest Area
Mile 369 South Bound only
Brigham City, Utah

Stone Rest Area
Mile 269 East and West Bound
Stone, Idaho

Raft River Area Rest Stop
Mile 229, Ecxit 15, West Bound only
160 S 1975 E
Declo, Idaho

Then again, KK may have worn an adult diaper like the nutty astronaut did years ago to drive to Florida to murder her lover's other girlfriend.

JMO

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Ok, I had no idea how far cameras could see, or that there is no parking on Lake Ave, etc. I have no idea where the camera is located or why only some of the supposed activity was captured. I'm not pursuing that further.

But, @Dave F. , can you please doublecheck your comments about the four directions, because Google Maps is telling me otherwise.

 

[Dave F.]

It was stated in the Attachment 1 that the camera was an ARLO-1, part of an Amazon Echo based wireless system. The camera only comes on when activated by the motion sensor. If the user does not have it hooked to the Amazon SMART system or to a paid app, it will only take a picture and log it on the Amazon Cloud, then send a text message asking if the user wants to view it. The free service allows only a limited number of these instances, then shuts down.
Most people buy the app download, which gives them the ability to activate the camera any time and see what's in view. With the app, it will also notify the user of snapped opportunities that happen when the app is not activated, and the user can select whether he/she wants to view them or not.
An example would be that UPS delivers a package while the user is having a latte at Starbucks. The user gets a text saying the ARLO 1 designated "Front Door" has snapped a picture. Said user uses his/her UPS tracking app to determine that yes, the expected package was just delivered. Said user declines to view the image, saving a little money in the process, and Amazon deletes it from the Cloud.
My son uses an ARLO hooked to a device that I haven't yet seen. Every work day at a certain time he dials in the app and calls his Yorkie, who is asleep on a step at home alone. The dog runs to the device and my son causes it to drop a treat. The dog is happy, and my son is extremely happy. Welcome to the new world order. IMO
https://www.amazon.com/Arlo-Security-Camera-kit-Wire-Free/dp/B06ZZTXS5J

 

[MsBetsy]

No, it is not. Notice in the photo that camera is viewing down at the porchlight, which is mounted between 6.5 ft and 7 ft above the concrete walk. The fence to the left is 3 ft high. The timber retaining wall above and behind in it 2 ft higher. A security camera mounted high on either of those houses in the background, viewing a 6 ft 2 inch man standing at the front foor of the condo, would see only his head and collar. It would probably not pick up the top of KB's or KKL's head. Additionally, the motion sensors that operate these type of security cameras have a maximum detection range of 60 feet outward from the unit. It is an infrared detection, so it's ability diminishes severely with distance, dropping to zero at that 60 ft radius. IMO

Do you know if wind, rain, darkness, or the direction of the sun might effect what the camera picks up?

 

[MsBetsy]

It was stated in the Attachment 1 that the camera was an ARLO-1, part of an Amazon Echo based wireless system. The camera only comes on when activated by the motion sensor. If the user does not have it hooked to the Amazon SMART system or to a paid app, it will only take a picture and log it on the Amazon Cloud, then send a text message asking if the user wants to view it. The free service allows only a limited number of these instances, then shuts down.
Most people buy the app download, which gives them the ability to activate the camera any time and see what's in view. With the app, it will also notify the user of snapped opportunities that happen when the app is not activated, and the user can select whether he/she wants to view them or not.
An example would be that UPS delivers a package while the user is having a latte at Starbucks. The user gets a text saying the ARLO 1 designated "Front Door" has snapped a picture. Said user uses his/her UPS tracking app to determine that yes, the expected package was just delivered. Said user declines to view the image, saving a little money in the process, and Amazon deletes it from the Cloud.
My son uses an ARLO hooked to a device that I haven't yet seen. Every work day at a certain time he dials in the app and calls his Yorkie, who is asleep on a step at home alone. The dog runs to the device and my son causes it to drop a treat. The dog is happy, and my son is extremely happy. Welcome to the new world order. IMO
https://www.amazon.com/Arlo-Security-Camera-kit-Wire-Free/dp/B06ZZTXS5J

So the camera will only come on or take a picture when it detects movement? If it's far away is it likely that it won't always respond to movement?