CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[Hatch]

The affidavit says that KKL's cell phone last connected with the Cripple Creek tower (while she was in the vicinity of Nash ranch) at 6:14 pm on the 24th. Next, KKL's phone pinged "on the Colorado - Utah border" at 4:13 am on the 25th and just moments later KB's pinged. I believe Investigator Slater testified that KKL got more than 2 hours, but a little less than three hours of sleep between Florissant and there. It's a 5.5 hour drive. The total of 8.5 hours driving and napping time subtracted from the 4:13 ping time pinpoints KKL leaving PF's ranch no later than 7:45 pm on the 25th. (As a check, the additional drive from the Colorado - Utah border to Hansen, Idaho would have put KKL arriving at 10:30 am on the 25th, which is exactly the time Slater said she did.)
Assuming that it took PF and KKL a half hour to drive back to the ranch from the Nash ranch barn, we can asssume that PF pulled the tote out of his truck around 6:45 pm. With KKL departing at 7:45 pm, it only leaves one hour for her to help start the fire and watch it burn.
I'm of the opinion that after an only an hour, KKL had little opportunity to actually see much. I suspect that PF later notified her by phone when it was done, and that her only knowledge of "scooping it up" was from his description.
I could certainly be wrong. IMO

@Dave F. as much gasoline that was used plus wood I believe the tote burnt or melted probably in the first 30 minutes , I assume KB body was folded over in the tote and could have appeared to be a lump, If PF used oil also there would of been a lot of black smoke IMO and she mostly likely just got a glimpse every now and then. I agree she did not see a lot. Possibly PF was taking pictures ( which is despicable ) and sending them to KK as she drove towards Idaho. Nothing would be a surprise a this point. Those pics may have been sent to KB phone and it was destroyed in KK's yard burn. I have faith they will find KB's remains and maybe we will know more at some point. IMOO LE know more as well they should than has been presented.

 

[Dave F.]

Do you have the page or paragraph for this? Thx.

Sam Kraemer Twitter texts, KOAA TV Denver, Feb. 19th, defense cross examination:

"2:49 p.m.

Slater says Arson Investigator Jerry Meams came to the Frazee property that day, Dec. 21. They excavated the area & found charred clumps of plastic. A test revealed there was an accelerant in the debris. The melted plastic was described as black & clumped into small balls."
Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing

 

[Katerz]

I still have the rest of this thread to read, but I’m finally almost caught up. I’m sure there will be another thread by the time I finish this one. LOL. I pray they find something at the landfill. Kelsey’s family deserves that.

I don’t care for KK, nor PF. I just can’t understand how there are people on this site that are adamant that there’s no evidence that Kelsey is dead. Yes KK’s a liar. Yes it’s been proven. But where is Kelsey if she’s not deceased? All of the key players in this case outside of KB’s family have lied. PF swung the bat, KK cleaned up his mess. They both deserve to rot. At least KK finally had enough common decency to tell the cops what happened.

 

[GordianKnot]

At least KK finally had enough common decency to tell the cops what happened.

RSABBMFF:

The reason KK told LE what happened had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with her having "enough common decency."

KK doesn't have a single shred of common decency.

She told LE what happened merely to save her leathered hide.

"And that's all I have to say about that." ~ Forrest Gump out.

 

[Rockymtnmermaid]

This is a fair description of that drive as I make it monthly for work. However I think she most likely took the 86 cutoof and was nowhere near Pocatello. There is for sure an ITD camera on Sweetzer pass though, but not sure how or if it archives video. Idaho Transportation Department - Low Bandwidth Web - Camera - Sweetzer Summit

Speaking of KK’s possible route, something has been bothering me since it was reported that KK drove from Idaho and stopped in Greeley for the night of the 23rd before making her way down to WP. Presuming KK drove down 84 from Idaho and then East on 80 through Wyoming, the most logical next step would have been to go South on 25 into Denver. In order for her to have traveled to Greely, she either took 25 South and then turned off at some point and traveled around 25 miles East to Greely OR while on 80, she traveled PAST 25 to HWY 85 then turned off South. I hope this didn’t throughly confuse anyone but my point is IMO HWY 25 is littered with traffic cameras that are run by CDOT (Colorado Dept of Transportation) that capture literally every single car traveling along the Hwy. Is it possible KK knew this and thus avoided HWY 25 and took the lesser traveled road, HWY 85 down to WP? HWY 85 runs parallel to 25 South and is known by the locals to use as an alternative route if 25 is backed up. If she at anytime got into HWY 25, she’ll be on tape. If I were going to Idaho from Woodland Park, I would travel up 25 North to HWY 70 West through Summit County, but then again it’s well known by locals who check the CDOT traffic cameras for the road conditions before making their way into the mountains, that HWY 70 is too jammed packed with cameras. PF would know this and could have warned KK to stay off the major Highways in Colorado.
https://www.cotrip.org/map.htm

 

[girlhasnoname]

Paragraph 43 doesn't say anything about a vehicle. See Paragraph 51 - it says MG is the owner of a 2012 Volkswagon Passat. Several news articles have reported it as a Jetta, though.
MOO

And didn't the borrowed car have expired tags also, or am I just hopelessly behind on some details? If it did, that to me is more than strange that KK would risk driving a vehicle with expired tags 800 miles each way when her main goal is to go undetected. Feel free to correct me.

 

[FunkyMonkey]

I'm not sure. If the information we have is accurate, I think he tied the sweater around her head with the knot in the back. I think his first blow was from behind, meaning it was cushioned by the knot on the sweater. That could have accounted for the tooth being knocked completely out. I'm not sure I believe that first blow killed KB. I think it's possible that she did move around a bit as he continued to batter her.

IIRC, he told KK one well-placed blow was all it would take. Of course, he also told her a blow to the back of the head wouldn't generate much blood, although scalp wounds can be notoriously bloody.

I just don't think there would have been so much blood around if he had taken her down with one blow.

Agreed. My thought is that he continued in a fit of rage. MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

reading the affidavit over, was it PF's sweater that was supposedly used as a blindfold? I imagined KB's, but KK has PF telling her to find the sweater and discard it which she states she does. Maybe it was PF's, if you believe the candle/sweater ruse occurred.

Possible, but I don't believe the candle/sweater ruse myself. I think his shirt or sweater got bloody and he took it off. He'd still need KK to retrieve it since it would be highly incriminating. Although, OTOH what a bizarre scenario to make up in relation to everything else that was going on with this homicide!

Does anyone know the general consensus here on the thread as to whether or not PF did actually use the candle/sweater ruse? <I think the way you worded that LOL> Yes or No?

 

[FunkyMonkey]

And didn't the borrowed car have expired tags also, or am I just hopelessly behind on some details? If it did, that to me is more than strange that KK would risk driving a vehicle with expired tags 800 miles each way when her main goal is to go undetected. Feel free to correct me.

Wonder if she even realized they were expired... either way she got lucky. For a little while. MOO

 

[GordianKnot]

And didn't the borrowed car have expired tags also, or am I just hopelessly behind on some details? If it did, that to me is more than strange that KK would risk driving a vehicle with expired tags 800 miles each way when her main goal is to go undetected. Feel free to correct me.

I know one of my standard (as in I say it ad nauseam) phrases has been:
"This is PF we're talking about here."

I've now concluded that it's safe to go ahead and add another one at this point:
"This is KK we're talking about here."

KK is every ounce (and probably more, if we're being literal) the moron that PF is.

She's. so. stupid.

JMO.

 

[FunkyMonkey]

Possible, but I don't believe the candle/sweater ruse myself. I think his shirt or sweater got bloody and he took it off. He'd still need KK to retrieve it since it would be highly incriminating. Although, OTOH what a bizarre scenario to make up in relation to everything else that was going on with this homicide!

Does anyone know the general consensus here on the thread as to whether or not PF did actually use the candle/sweater ruse? <I think the way you worded that LOL> Yes or No?

Not sure what the consensus is, but I feel it could make sense. Would keep her from peeking and might contain some blood spatter (in theory). MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I still have the rest of this thread to read, but I’m finally almost caught up. I’m sure there will be another thread by the time I finish this one. LOL. I pray they find something at the landfill. Kelsey’s family deserves that.

I don’t care for KK, nor PF. I just can’t understand how there are people on this site that are adamant that there’s no evidence that Kelsey is dead. Yes KK’s a liar. Yes it’s been proven. But where is Kelsey if she’s not deceased? All of the key players in this case outside of KB’s family have lied. PF swung the bat, KK cleaned up his mess. They both deserve to rot. At least KK finally had enough common decency to tell the cops what happened.

I don't think common decency had squat to do with KK telling the cops what happened. It was the threat of spending 20-40 years in prison is my guess.
MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Sam Kraemer Twitter texts, KOAA TV Denver, Feb. 19th, defense cross examination:

"2:49 p.m.

Slater says Arson Investigator Jerry Meams came to the Frazee property that day, Dec. 21. They excavated the area & found charred clumps of plastic. A test revealed there was an accelerant in the debris. The melted plastic was described as black & clumped into small balls."
Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing

I'm wondering if that reply wasn't intentionally subjective. Yes, it says there was accelerant in the charred clumps of debris, but it doesn't directly say there was/wasn't traces of human DNA also.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Wonder if she even realized they were expired... either way she got lucky. For a little while. MOO

Good point, she truly may have not known, but darn wouldn't a good girlfriend whose also a lying coverer upper for KK wouldn't have given a heads up?

 

[girlhasnoname]

Speaking of KK’s possible route, something has been bothering me since it was reported that KK drove from Idaho and stopped in Greeley for the night of the 23rd before making her way down to WP. Presuming KK drove down 84 from Idaho and then East on 80 through Wyoming, the most logical next step would have been to go South on 25 into Denver. In order for her to have traveled to Greely, she either took 25 South and then turned off at some point and traveled around 25 miles East to Greely OR while on 80, she traveled PAST 25 to HWY 85 then turned off South. I hope this didn’t throughly confuse anyone but my point is IMO HWY 25 is littered with traffic cameras that are run by CDOT (Colorado Dept of Transportation) that capture literally every single car traveling along the Hwy. Is it possible KK knew this and thus avoided HWY 25 and took the lesser traveled road, HWY 85 down to WP? HWY 85 runs parallel to 25 South and is known by the locals to use as an alternative route if 25 is backed up. If she at anytime got into HWY 25, she’ll be on tape. If I were going to Idaho from Woodland Park, I would travel up 25 North to HWY 70 West through Summit County, but then again it’s well known by locals who check the CDOT traffic cameras for the road conditions before making their way into the mountains, that HWY 70 is too jammed packed with cameras. PF would know this and could have warned KK to stay off the major Highways in Colorado.
https://www.cotrip.org/map.htm

No the trip she made to CO from ID where she stayed over in Greely took place on one of the THREE other times KK drove down to murder KB.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Hey, where did everybody go??? LOL I'm just catching on the thread from a hectic week.

Did I miss anything major? I have a case of FOMO

 

[Herat]

FWIW one of the reports said that the friend was a "gun dealer," and that KK told him the gun was "her aunt's" and that she "wanted to get rid of it." I imagine that gun dealers are somewhat sophisticated and that they come across stolen, counterfeit, unregistered guns.

And as a responsible gun dealer he would certainly have checked the serial # of the gun.

KK's lie would be exposed as she lied about having the gun of a missing woman

 

[Noharg]

As graphic as it is, what I was picturing was the rigid plastic of the tote becoming flexible as it heated up/started to burn, and sort of drooping/draped itself over the contents inside, making the lump shape.

And to stand and watch this! Beyond anything I can understand. JMO

 

[PrairieWind]

I had asked this question before and if somebody answered I must have missed it and I don't know how to flag any of our attorneys on here to ask. But my question was, once PF's trial starts, will the jury be told about KK's plea agreement and/or what her charge actually is? I have tried researching it but can not find an answer. Thanks in advance.

Yes, the plea agreement will have to be disclosed to the defense and they can question her about if she testifies. So often the prosecution will just offer that up to the jury at that start because of the defense brings it up the jury can feel like the DA is hiding things. Some prosecutors however like to not raise it at first and let the witness testify untainted by the plea deal. Makes a stronger impression on the jury. Then just let it come out later. So yes there is some strategic thinking required.

 

[Rockymtnmermaid]

No the trip she made to CO from ID where she stayed over in Greely took place on one of the THREE other times KK drove down to murder KB.

Right but do we know that KK didn't take this route the other 2 trips? IMO there must be a good reason to travel, which ends up being about 50 miles out of the way , that far East just to go back to the West. IDK, just doesn't make good sense to me, logically speaking.

Edited grammatical errors