CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[susiQ]

Actually, I believe this account may have been embellished here.

I recall that cadaver dogs made hit on area behind the bumper of KB's parked sedan. However, I don't recall the AA or agent testimony declaring that KK specifically cited that PF told her he set the black tote carrying KB's body down in the parking lot. Is there a link available for this account? TIA.

ETA: correct KB to KK

The only thing I could find in the AA was about KK setting down the garbage bags she used for clean up behind KB's sedan prior to picking up her vehicle and then picking up the bags and taking them to the ranch to burn.

ETA: correction. It was not stated in the AA, it was stated during the preliminary hearing. Quoted from New9.com "After cleaning up, Lee said she put the trash bags near where Berreth’s Corolla was parked, loaded them into her car, and went to Sonic."
My apologies for mixing that up

 

[ilovechili]

Yes I agree and Thanksgiving is a very family oriented holiday. This makes me wonder why KB did not plan on going to her mom’s if not invited to SF’s. I’m thinking with the dip recipe and these cookie cutters that went missing per affidavit (PF told KK to dispose of them for some reason) that she had planned on going to SF’s. Maybe PF knew SF didn’t want her there but couldn’t get the ba**s to tell her so much and instead did the unthinkable.

This very same thought crossed my mind, that PF had ma thinking he and KB were not together (and maybe his entire family for that matter), but he had her thinking something else and she thought she was going with him and the baby OR that he would spend the day with her but then he knew ma would be mad. Was this his reason, his own lies colliding? It has crossed my mind...

 

[Mazey11]

I’m no expert, but I don’t believe it’s common practice for ranchers to burn animal remains. Perhaps we have experts that can weigh in on this.

I’m not an expert, but I do live in cattle country and often dead cattle are taken to a rendering plant. I admit I wondered in the beginning if her body had somehow made it to one of those plants.

 

[allboys]

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[Seattle1]

The only thing I could find in the AA was about KK setting down the garbage bags she used for clean up behind KB's sedan prior to picking up her vehicle and then picking up the bags and taking them to the ranch to burn.

Exactly .... and how that translated to PF telling KK that he set the black tote down (transporting KB's body), in the parking lot before loading it in his pick up needs a link!

 

[ab01]

Could be but most people would say I picked up the tote and put it in the truck. One could even add "which was parked out front" and it would not seem so odd. There are other areas too it was just so detailed. I find it odd, it certainly does not come across as how most people would question or respond.

It would almost make sense if they wired her to get these details out of him and told her to get every little detail. Otherwise one or both had a sick need for every little detail or it comes across as she was present and it is a firsthand account.

I just agree with some that it is odd. No one I know would include such detail in a conversation. Not to mention it would not be a short conversation whenever it took place.

It is odd although I don't have any aquaitances that would be involved in such things.....Whats normal to me is probably not necesarily normal to people like kk and PF.....MOO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

LE took his phone and he got a new one. IIRC, the same day or the day after he surrendered his phone to LE and got a new one, KK told her ex-husband she had lost her phone and had to get a new one.

Paragraph 49 in the arrest affidavit.

It was done on December 4th, and I would believe that law enforcement has verification to back that up. Same day that his phone was taken.

Hmmmmmm, That was quick as to communication of getting a new phone if it was done in the same day.

We have not seen the law enforcement documentation of how he communicated to her to get a new phone yet.

 

[v0x]

I’m not an expert, but I do live in cattle country and often dead cattle are taken to a rendering plant. I admit I wondered in the beginning if her body had somehow made it to one of those plants.

Would it be possible for a human body to go through that process unnoticed?

 

[Seattle1]

Paragraph 49 in the arrest affidavit.

It was done on December 4th, and I would believe that law enforcement has verification to back that up. Same day that his phone was taken.

Hmmmmmm, That was quick as to communication of getting a new phone if it was done in the same day.

We have not seen the law enforcement documentation of how he communicated to her to get a new phone yet.

The phone/text history in the AA was limited to 11/22 to 11/25/18 but doesn't mean there's no verification that PF told KK his phone was handed over to LE on about 12/4. MOO

ETA: AA statement #42 - confirms PF phone to LE 12/4, KK gets replacement 12/4.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I was outraged by the plea deal until Gitana pointed out that LE may not have known the extent (and all the gory details) of her involvement until she got the deal and spilled her guts. I'm still not thrilled, but I'm hoping that she does serve *some* time. And like I posted a while back, her life is pretty much ruined on the outside. She is a felon and everyone knows all of the truly despicable things she did. She's a marked woman in a prison without bars. She doesn't dare show her face in public. MOO

We are you usually in agreement in thinking, but I'm going to have to disagree somewhat....

I think after the trial and her testimony, and prison time if any, KK will be back in 'business as usual mode'. She doesn't think she truly did something evil, mean ole' PF made her do it, what's a poor girl to do?? <batting eyelashes> No remorse or empathy from KK at all IMO. Her brief 10 second fake tear cry came during the phase when the judge was specifically addressing her sentencing guidelines. GMAB

I see her standing tall and head held high, looking for another co-dependent nut job she can reel in and I wouldn't rule out another run in with the legal system in the future for Miss KK.

MOO
ETA: Change word to phase

 

[ilovechili]

Paragraph 49 in the arrest affidavit.

It was done on December 4th, and I would believe that law enforcement has verification to back that up. Same day that his phone was taken.

Hmmmmmm, That was quick as to communication of getting a new phone if it was done in the same day.

We have not seen the law enforcement documentation of how he communicated to her to get a new phone yet.

No but it is pretty clear what LE is more than hinting at is what most of us probably think

 

[Trocroc9]

This very same thought crossed my mind, that PF had ma thinking he and KB were not together (and maybe his entire family for that matter), but he had her thinking something else and she thought she was going with him and the baby OR that he would spend the day with her but then he knew ma would be mad. Was this his reason, his own lies colliding? It has crossed my mind...

It really could be as simple as this. I think the people in his life were not accustomed to such an independent woman and may have looked at her as an adversary because of her beauty, wisdom and ability to provide all on her own. I think that family might not have liked her even if he did at one time. He might have thought he had to get rid of her for them. I think I’m just trying to find a logical reason for all of this disgusting behavior but even this is completely illogical.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

The phone/text history in the AA was limited to 11/22 to 11/25/18 but doesn't mean there's no verification that PF told KK his phone was handed over to LE on about 12/4. MOO

Absolutely agree. The 11/22 to 11/25 documentation starting at paragraph 16 was only between PF and KB PHONES.

I'm sure law enforcement has looked and hopefully learned how he communicated to her that his phone was taken from him on the fourth and to destroy her phone and get a new one.

 

[MemPat]

Indeed, I will be skiing for the first time in 20 years, with my son who will be snowboarding for the first time. I have heard about all the snow- good for us, but bad for the search.

Bringing this back on topic, has there been any discussion about how unusual it is for a body to be moved twice?

Does anyone have thoughts on why PF waited to move KB to the ranchette on the 24th? He didn’t really need help, did he? Why was the decision made to wait until KK was there? I wonder if that was mostly his idea to involve her. Or possibly she wanted to be there or had promised to follow through with some sort of commitment to help erase ALL evidence of a crime that IMO, was the result of conspiracy by (at least) these two people.

I just remember before we heard any of these details, that some had mentioned the likelihood of PF moving the body being very slim. Perhaps logistics of caring for a baby, and a family holiday played a role. It definitely added more risk, but it seems these two were not afraid of risk. Or, were just too wreckless to stop and consider degrees of risk.

I'm thinking PF only expected to move it once...into KK's car so she could head out of town with it.

He would have had a private place to make the transfer...not even Mama would see it (though you know I have other thoughts about her).

The fact that KK refused to load and go called for a second move to the Franch. MOO

 

[ilovechili]

Exactly .... and how that translated to PF telling KK that he set the black tote down (transporting KB's body), in the parking lot before loading it in his pick up needs a link!

2:10 p.m.

Kenney says Frazee put Kelsey in a black tote and set that on the ground near the green Toyota before putting it in his truck & transporting her remains to a ranch in Fremont County. Didn’t catch the name. It sounded like Nash Ranch or Dash Ranch. Again, bad acoustics.

From: Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing

Here you go. I think we were all pretty much aware it was said but various people have forgotten various parts of the testimony.

 

[ab01]

I have a feeling no matter what the outcome of this case ultimately ends up being there are still going to be some that insist that KK murdered KB.

LE feels confidant that PF was solely responsible for KB's death.

KK was also involved in many despicable things.

But LE has said kk didn't commit murder and I can only assume that they have evidence that she wasn't the murderer.

PF was the last one to see KB alive.

He was caught in a huge lie about the last time he saw KB and when he left her condo.

He was back at her condo via security images.

He lied to Doss about KB going to visit her grandmother.

He lied to Doss about KB having a drug problem.

Blood evidence was found at the Franch.

PF had KB's phone for days after KB was last seen.

Cadaver dogs hit on an area at the Nash ranch that was used by PF.

PF had a bonfire at the Franch while KB was missing and MF witnessed it. AS both KB and PFs phones were pinging together there.

PF showed zero concern that KB was missing and that nobody had hear from her.

He lied to CB saying he returned KB's gun yet it was determined that he had given it to KK and it ended up in Idaho.

LE found a medical document dated for December 14th that didn't have KB listed as a medical contact for her own child.

 

[v0x]

no intention of saying anything bad about KB- just the way PF and KK "decided" she was bad - remember PF is saying that she has to go "for the sake of the baby" and is telling this to KK and spreading rumors about her behind her back. the Salem victims were innocent too as I recall, but once the town was whipped into a frenzy, realty went by the wayside. the burning with PF and KK present is weird, IMHO.

Thanks for clarifying. The only evil here was PF, KKL, and others in the know that did nothing to prevent this. IMO

 

[susiQ]

Exactly .... and how that translated to PF telling KK that he set the black tote down (transporting KB's body), in the parking lot before loading it in his pick up needs a link!

I edited my original post to correct where it was stated that she put the trash bags next to KB's Corolla. It was not in the AA, rather the preliminary hearing per New9.com as follows:
"After cleaning up, Lee said she put the trash bags near where Berreth’s Corolla was parked, loaded them into her car, and went to Sonic."

 

[dixiegirl1035]

No but it is pretty clear what LE is more than hinting at is what most of us probably think

Hmmmm, Who would know that his phone was taken that day when he met with law enforcement and his brother? What time did law enforcement meet with him to take the phone, and what time did she go to get a new phone? Wondering Minds want to know.

I still think when they went on the hill above his house to do surveillance for the week before he was arrested, that they had that capturing mechanism that right now I can't remember the name of it. It captures and intercepts all phone calls instead of being sent to a tower. If they had somebody that they thought was instrumental in this case, I would have thought they would have already been arrested. But I guess not.

Once the 32 search warrants are released, we will know more information.

ETA adding this to clarify which I posted also below

"The reference was to the FBI going to a neighbor's house above the hill, a week before arrest.

possibly the reason for such was not only surveillance, but also to put up a Stingray or something like that a week before his arrest,. That was where the origins of this discussion was."

 

[MemPat]

The only thing I could find in the AA was about KK setting down the garbage bags she used for clean up behind KB's sedan prior to picking up her vehicle and then picking up the bags and taking them to the ranch to burn.

ETA: correction. It was not stated in the AA, it was stated during the preliminary hearing. Quoted from New9.com "After cleaning up, Lee said she put the trash bags near where Berreth’s Corolla was parked, loaded them into her car, and went to Sonic."
My apologies for mixing that up

This would be enough to cause the cadaver dogs to hit on the spot even if the tote touching the ground is KK's embellishment.