CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[ilovechili]

Yes, because somewhere it's stated that on the 21st, after PF was arrested, that she went on a "tour" with LE to the the condo, the ranchette and also to Nash Ranch to point out the areas of interest/evidence.

True. I also meant busy from the first contact/phone call she had from LE, busy getting rid of things, talking to lawyers, friends, who knows right?

 

[acutename]

LE takes his phone and he uses someone else's to call KK and alert her.

how quickly after his phone was turned over to LE was it reported in MSM? It seemed that he was in the news telling his friend about his new number "right away," but maybe I am mis-remembering.

 

[ilovechili]

I'm no expert on cellphones. If she pulled the SIM card from her cellphone (the one she claimed she 'lost') and any additional storage (micro-SD card), would the phone then be 'clean' enough to give to someone else to use with their own SIM, assuming the phone wasn't proprietary to a particular provider?

If so, that would mean she might have a SIM card with data that LE might not otherwise have access to? Would the SIM have text messages? I ask because I thought cellphone providers have records of texts but not the actual content of the texts.

I think it's interesting because PF surrendered his phone. He must have thought there was nothing LE could get from it - or that he had safely erased anything potentially incriminating.

Of course, this is also the bright boy that lied and got caught on multiple cameras.

I am no expert either. I know it was Samsung and she had had Verizon. #49 in AA. Interestingly, in that same paragraph it says his phone was "taken" which implies they confiscated it...

 

[ilovechili]

As confusing as we WS geniuses find the "which phone is which?" saga, imagine how difficult it was for the not-so-smart KK to remember which phone to use at what time!

Lol. I would also guess that she kept the burners somewhere her husband would not see them, one would think anyhow. I think the pressure of the games and lies would destroy me, and the stress, much less the travel. I am tired thinking about it but for her, maybe the entire thing was a "high".

 

[susiQ]

True. I also meant busy from the first contact/phone call she had from LE, busy getting rid of things, talking to lawyers, friends, who knows right?

Yes, absolutely! Probably how she could "spin" her three failed attempts at killing KB into solicitation IMHO

I do hope LE have texts to back up the solicitation charges, otherwise, the defence will get some real mileage out of it at trial. I absolutely believe this was a joint adventure and just because she couldn't follow through doesn't mean she didn't want it done. She is vile, through and through AND, she's still a liar. There's no way on this earth that she intended to leave evidence so LE would find her. How stupid does she think people are?? Not buying any of that cr@polla!

 

[Trocroc9]

how quickly after his phone was turned over to LE was it reported in MSM? It seemed that he was in the news telling his friend about his new number "right away," but maybe I am mis-remembering.

You are remembering the same as I and he gave “Cline a second cell phone number to make sure his client would be able to reach him amid constant communication on his primary phone regarding Berreth’s disappearance.”

Client of accused killer Patrick Frazee says Kelsey Berreth has vanished and come back before: Report

 

[Hatch]

I’m not an expert, but I do live in cattle country and often dead cattle are taken to a rendering plant. I admit I wondered in the beginning if her body had somehow made it to one of those plants.

If we have a cow die we usually drag them to a far side of one of the pastures, the varmints and buzzards take care of the carcass, not aware of anybody burning a dead carcass in our area. We do not have any rendering plants nearby.

 

[justpeachy22]

Re: the question of whether or not KK ever saw KB's body.

I suspect this is one of those things that KK may or may not be telling the truth about. I can't see any way anyone except PF could challenge her on this, because as far as we know now, those are the only two people who could have seen KB after she died.

At most, it will come down to 'he said, she said' if PF claims she did see KB's remains.

Re: discussions about KK's driving routes - and the cameras on some routes.

IIRC, KK made a number of trips to Florissant before the three murder attempts. I don't know about you folks, but if I drove the same 800 mile trip multiple times, I'd probably settle on one route. I probably wouldn't change it up much unless I was visiting someone on the way or there was bad weather.

It seems to me that KK not only switched up cars (IIRC, she rented a car once, borrowed a car on another trip), she also switched up her routes - to avoid cameras?

I don't think she was just being cautious because of LE or her husband. I think deep down she knew that if it came to it, PF would sacrifice her to save himself without a second thought.

And personally, I'm at the point now where I don't think he particularly cared if she got caught. I wouldn't go so far as to say I think he was setting her up, but I think his original plan involved her doing all the dirty work. If KK had killed KB, PF didn't need to worry about disposing of the body - that would have been KK's problem.

I Agree. IMO he did set KK up throughout the entire “murder affair”, by default of assigning her to specific jobs. For example, in asking her to kill, he (IMO) intentionally set her up as the jealous side-girlfriend who would take the fall for him, by deafault, if she got caught. He could’ve involved anyone else but he chose her. People who convince or hire a person into killing someone are setting them up! PLUS he sent her right into the crime scene right after the murder (tho she was smart to cover her prints with hospital garb) PLUS he asked her to drive the tote with a dead body in it back to ID!?! PLUS he was quoted as saying he felt railroaded. Could that have meant “Hey people you better be looking at KK.” Kk was likely complicit and possibly had more mastermind behind it all than what has come out so far, but he still set her up, IMO.

 

[susiQ]

how quickly after his phone was turned over to LE was it reported in MSM? It seemed that he was in the news telling his friend about his new number "right away," but maybe I am mis-remembering.

I recall his first attorney stating that Patrick was cooperating, provided a buccal swab and willingly handed over his phone. Did he have a choice, really?

 

[ab01]

From what I have read modern smartphones do not use the sim card for any type of storage. I know older phones would store contacts and sms text messages to the sim card but only incoming messages not outgoing messages. But many smart phones such as and iphone only store data to the internal storage and icloud. The sim card on iphones for example is only used to store Customer phone number and billing data.

What Is the SIM Card in the iPhone?

ETA: I'm not real familiar with other brands of phones so it may be possible that some android devices may still use sim cards for storage.

 

[Trocroc9]

You are remembering the same as I and he gave “Cline a second cell phone number to make sure his client would be able to reach him amid constant communication on his primary phone regarding Berreth’s disappearance.”

Client of accused killer Patrick Frazee says Kelsey Berreth has vanished and come back before: Report

And it was the day before his phone got taken so he had a second phone the day his was taken

 

[Trocroc9]

I recall his first attorney stating that Patrick was cooperating, provided a buccal swab and willingly handed over his phone. Did he have a choice, really?

He already had a second phone at the point he handed over his phone so I bet he was easily able to contact KK to tell her to chuck her phone.

 

[MemPat]

I Agree. IMO he did set KK up throughout the entire “murder affair”, by default of assigning her to specific jobs. For example, in asking her to kill, he (IMO) intentionally set her up as the jealous side-girlfriend who would take the fall for him, by deafault, if she got caught. He could’ve involved anyone else but he chose her. People who convince or hire a person into killing someone are setting them up! PLUS he sent her right into the crime scene right after the murder (tho she was smart to cover her prints with hospital garb) PLUS he asked her to drive the tote with a dead body in it back to ID!?! PLUS he was quoted as saying he felt railroaded. Could that have meant “Hey people you better be looking at KK.” Kk was likely complicit and possibly had more mastermind behind it all than what has come out so far, but he still set her up, IMO.

It will be interesting to learn at trial if PF tried to groom anyone else before or while he was floating murder ideas by KK.

The criminal brilliance he has exhibited so far makes me wonder!

 

[Trocroc9]

He already had a second phone at the point he handed over his phone so I bet he was easily able to contact KK to tell her to chuck her phone.

Great another freaking phone added to this mess

 

[Trocroc9]

So at this point both KK and PF each had 2 regular smart phones and we have learned of at least 2 burner phones. Is this correct ?

 

[Trocroc9]

So at this point both KK and PF each had 2 regular smart phones and we have learned of at least 2 burner phones. Is this correct ?

6 phones all together shows a lot of preplanning and guilt by both parties imo

 

[Artis]

how quickly after his phone was turned over to LE was it reported in MSM? It seemed that he was in the news telling his friend about his new number "right away," but maybe I am mis-remembering.

Don't know but I'm sure he alerted KK as soon it happened. Imagine she texts him and LE has his phone!

 

[Trocroc9]

Something else has been bothering me from a mom’s point of view. Why are all of these friends of PF stating he was the primary caregiver? I have this unsettling feeling that he was taking KF as much as he possibly could to keep her away from KB. Was she trying to appease him by allowing this? Is this showing the type of person he really was... was he controlling their relationship through dissociation with the baby? Then lies and lies and says she is a horrible mother and abusive when she was really just trying to make him happy. Oof!!

 

[Artis]

I Agree. IMO he did set KK up throughout the entire “murder affair”, by default of assigning her to specific jobs. For example, in asking her to kill, he (IMO) intentionally set her up as the jealous side-girlfriend who would take the fall for him, by deafault, if she got caught. He could’ve involved anyone else but he chose her. People who convince or hire a person into killing someone are setting them up! PLUS he sent her right into the crime scene right after the murder (tho she was smart to cover her prints with hospital garb) PLUS he asked her to drive the tote with a dead body in it back to ID!?! PLUS he was quoted as saying he felt railroaded. Could that have meant “Hey people you better be looking at KK.” Kk was likely complicit and possibly had more mastermind behind it all than what has come out so far, but he still set her up, IMO.

That's her story. I believe he killed Kelsey but she drove thousands of miles to stalk and try to kill Kelsey. I don't think KK need any solicitation to murder and this could be made up to make her look like a pawn rather than a co-conspirator. She could have told M he was asking her to kill Kelsey in order to put the blame on him if she'd ever carried through and Kelsey turned up dead. Until we see texts, as proof of the solicitations, we don't know.

 

[BingoBongo]

I just watched 48 Hours about the reopening of the Aaron Major/Kadie Major case... Aaron Major, PF and CW all seem to resemble each other in looks and personality.