CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

[Kapua]

I have heard it both ways. Even so, when one looks at the timeline well... I looked as well because I knew I read it more than once and found an article that says he went home in between and left the baby there and went back... It was Daily Mail so I take it with a bit of a grain of salt but time wise... It could be... Strange, strange case.

It's hard to sort it all out, with all of the misreporting. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

I’m waiting to find out that he went back later and tried to see the surveillance tape from the neighbors. Hey “have the cops been over to check your surveillance footage yet? And am I on it...ahh nevermind forget I asked”


I’m only kidding......or am I?

Ha! I doubt it.

I don’t think he had any idea that camera was there.

Good thing too!

 

[ilovechili]

I think it's pretty clear the interviewers on these shows haven't read half of what people on WS have.

The Dateline show on Kelsey had a good bit of filler and left out something as important as KK driving 800 miles for each one of the "near-misses".

They also let that old coot make statements about Kelsey like they were the gospel....two weeks in alcohol rehab? Please!

Red nosed old coots who owned a bar should think twice about who they accuse of needing alcohol rehab.... I get really upset as well when a murdered victim is revictimized. Not one word about poor child, poor Kelsey no matter who he thinks did it...

 

[ab01]

Ha! I doubt it.

I don’t think he had any idea that camera was there.

Good thing too!

Agreed I don’t think he had a clue

 

[ilovechili]

does she get to actually drive into the ranch driveway or does she have to drop things off at the locked gate?

Odd isn't it? Kind of like a booty call, slave girl, not welcome on the property. But no, yet, go figure she is welcome for a body burning fire....

 

[GordianKnot]

Maybe did some laundry as well if his clothing is covered in blood that would take some time at least an hour or so.

I'm gonna' say "nah" on the laundry action.

Pretty sure Ma F. still washes PF's tighty whities.

Not sure he's ever done a load of laundry in his life.

JMO.

 

[MsBetsy]

They said he bought diapers baby formula dog food and coke on the 11/22 trip. Could have purchased them before though.

Yes, I doubt he would have bought anything that he used in the murder on that day. He had several totes on his property and may have bought the candles at another time. He could have used any candles lying around his house or even Kelseys. If she was blindfolded, she wouldn't know the difference.
Or, he may not have had any candles at all. He may have just blindfolded her, told her to guess at the candle scents, and then hit her in the head while she sat there waiting. Imo

 

[Auntie Cipation]

That may be. He was in possession of both phones so I'm sure he was deleting texts on both phones.

I agree with ab01, I believe while PF was in possession of both phones he carefully reviewed all the old texts and deleted any that didn't comply with the stories he had told everyone about KB.

I wonder if there were texts between KB and whoever she'd supposedly had dinner with earlier in the week (if that was even real). If there were texts, even innocuous ones, he'd delete them IMO

That's yet another mystery.

She 'lost' her phone on 12/4, the same day PF surrendered his phone to LE.

IIRC, the Las Vegas contact was on 12/14. She had a new phone. What on earth was she trying to hide and from who? Surely she didn't toss her original phone and replace it with a new one loaded with all the possibly incriminating information?

I would like to know if she and PF were still communicating after 12/4, and if so, how - new phones? FB?

I had to order a new phone for myself today, my first time replacing a cell, and it raised some thoughts/questions. "Getting a new phone" can mean two different things. When your phone is damaged or lost, a new phone means new hardware but continuity on the account in terms of phone number. And I don't know yet from my own experience but it seems likely that contacts and texts and call history are preserved? Maybe apps too? (I'm assuming some or many of you will know this answer. I'm a flip phone kind of girl so I'm pretty oblivious to how changeovers work for smartphone apps.)

Then there is "getting a new phone" meaning a new number, start fresh, no history. Which then means telling all your friends & contacts your new number, yes?

I wonder which category of "new phone" KK got that day. I assume the first kind, just replacement hardware, because that fits her story to her ex about losing her phone. But then, what did that new phone hardware accomplish for her? Wouldn't she need a whole new number if she was going to hide her phone history from LE?

Thank you! That really puts things in perspective.
It doesn't leave very much time for the "baby exchange."
It must have been really quick, between 12:38 and 12:44. Then he returned at 1:24?
But it doesn't say the baby was captured on the surveillance camera at the house, just PF. It still doesn't make sense to me. Imo

Didn't someone speculate, after we finally figured out where the neighbor's camera was mounted, that it would only likely show the bottom three feet or so of Kelsey's walkway and door? So if the baby was being carried, she might not be caught on camera.

There is definitely something amiss with 1:24 and 1:25 info. I only see 2 explanations as mentioned above - 1) mistake 2) accomplice. Any other ideas/options??

Well, seeing how close the two cameras are to each other, it does seem possible that both clocks are correct and he was captured leaving KB's (neighbor cam) early in the 1:24 minute, and then was seen on the store's cam late in the 1:25 minute. Didn't the google map posted say 1 minute driving time? Seems possible...

So he left with the phone and without her dead body you are stating? And what is with the white box in the back of the truck? Where oh where is the tote? I guess it could be in the box but I think the box has been described as a crate also. Bang my head against wall. Hmm.


That would also mean if the brother said he showed up shortly after he did at 2:30 (paraphrasing), it was false. I don't think he forgot the phone because they traveled together shortly thereafter.

Here's an idea. What if the tote was already at Kelsey's, being used for some purpose (toy box, PF's stuff, etc). He might not have even thought ahead to bring one, then realized after the deed was done that he needed a container and looked around and found that one in use. Ironically if he had used her suitcase instead, it would have helped his supposed story of her running off... JMO of course

 

[Kapua]

Odd isn't it? Kind of like a booty call, slave girl, not welcome on the property. But no, yet, go figure she is welcome for a body burning fire....

Don't want you part of my world
Just you be my backstreet girl

 

[GordianKnot]

Odd isn't it? Kind of like a booty call, slave girl, not welcome on the property. But no, yet, go figure she is welcome for a body burning fire....

I'm thinking you'd probably need to use a cowbell to make a booty call to that particular side piece.

JMO.

 

[margarita25]

But you made such good points that I thought "aha, maybe whatever it is that made CW talk could make PF talk too" since I do believe they are twins.

(That’s why I was asking about Agents Tammy and Coder upstream but nobody replied lol)

 

[MassGuy]

I'm gonna' say "nah" on the laundry action.

Pretty sure Ma F. still washes PF's tighty whities.

Not sure he's ever washed a load of laundry in his life.

JMO.

If he ever lived alone, he’d be mystified that the dirty clothes he threw in the hamper, didn’t magically end up washed, dried, and folded.

His ignorance has no limits.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Ha! I doubt it.

I don’t think he had any idea that camera was there.

Good thing too!

Not until *cough cough* later, when he went back with his friend/ father figure/ gray hair man to pick up the package and had talked to his brother. He knew that day for sure!

 

[Seattle1]

I’m waiting to find out that he went back later and tried to see the surveillance tape from the neighbors. Hey “have the cops been over to check your surveillance footage yet? And am I on it...ahh nevermind forget I asked”
I’m only kidding......or am I?

Ha! I doubt it.
I don’t think he had any idea that camera was there.
Good thing too!

Well sometime between Thanksgiving 11/22, and 12/3 at 8:02AM he must have found out because that's the date and time that RS showed up to collect UPS package left on KB's door step. According to RS, he didn't want PF to be captured on the neighbors surveillance camera, and had him wait in RS's vehicle while RS collected the package!

Yup, good ole RS had to go immediately into PF defense mode-- probably even before his pumpkin pie came out of the oven.

 

[MassGuy]

(That’s why I was asking about Agents Tammy and Coder upstream but nobody replied lol)

As far as PF is concerned, he lawyered up immediately, so the CBI could not have interviewed him, even if they wanted to.

His lawyer simply wouldn’t have allowed that.

We don’t know the specifics of KK’s interview, but the CBI has plenty of well trained investigators.

It’s unlikely they would have been involved here.

 

[Seattle1]

Not until *cough cough* later, when he went back with his friend/ father figure/ gray hair man to pick up the package and had talked to his brother. He knew that day for sure!

Jinx!

 

[MassGuy]

Well sometime between Thanksgiving 11/22, and 12/3 at 8:02AM he must have found out because that's the date and time that RS showed up to collect UPS package left on KB's door step. According to RS, he didn't want PF to be captured on the neighbors surveillance camera, and had him wait in RS's vehicle while RS collected the package!

Yup, good ole RS had to go immediately into PF defense mode-- probably even before his pumpkin pie came out of the oven.

Oh wow. I missed that.

I figured he’d want that package picked up just so no one was suspicious in regards to KB not picking it up.

I wonder when he realized?

Hopefully it caused full fledged panic.

 

[margarita25]

As far as PF is concerned, he lawyered up immediately, so the CBI could not have interviewed him, even if they wanted to.

His lawyer simply wouldn’t have allowed that.

We don’t know the specifics of KK’s interview, but the CBI has plenty of well trained investigators.

It’s unlikely they would have been involved here.

Thanks Mass Guy. Duh, I forgot he lawyered up.

 

[GordianKnot]

If he ever lived alone, he’d be mystified that the dirty clothes he threw in the hamper, didn’t magically end up washed, dried, and folded.

His ignorance has no limits.

So true, Massy! His ignorance is boundless, matchless, limitless...infinite, even!

It would take countless hours to catalogue all of PF's imbecilic actions from start to finish, but honestly, it would be well worth it just to be able to review and be thoroughly gobsmacked by the level of sheer idiocy he displayed at every single turn.

PF's moronicity* is unparalleled.

*Moronicity is not a word, which is why I've coined the term for purposes of describing PF.

JMO.

 

[ilovechili]

KK in PF's presence apparently refused to take the body. Yet she was scared of him. Hmm. He then insisted she had to take the phone and gun because she would not take the body. She did that though because she was scared of him, but not so scared she took the body or too scared to refuse. Okay, whatever. That is truly believable . She drove towards him because she was scared of him, to do clean-up. Hmm. Yet refused him when in Reno.

All are entitled to their own opinion but there is no way the total truth has been told here even though some think she would never lie with a plea deal.

I disagree. She would lie about whatever she felt they could never prove on a he said/she said. She had serious legal counsel by then and had destroyed many pieces of evidence. He said/she said is pretty much a large percentage of what this case is...

They are both as guilty as sin.

In my opinion.