CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

[girlhasnoname]

It could have been as simple as the apgar scores were low and they kept the baby in the nursery for a few moments. I agree, he flipped out for no reason and that initiated a social services call. And trust me, OB nurses see lots of emotional reactions, for a nurse to have called social services this had to be really bad.

Thank you Mom24 I was hoping one of our nurses would chime in!

 

[Elizabeth Lavenza]

Yes, it was a flaw in my original perception of him. I previously thought of him as someone who was easily manipulated and could be pushed by outside influences into killing her. Now I’m learning how evil he was on his own.

I am hoping the counselor KB had when she was at the MH facility for depression took very good notes.

 

[JenniD]

ImPossible to keep up with this thread so can someone update me on the story regarding finding “teeth” in an envelope at PF house
Was that true and if so what’s the story on that?

 

[LietKynes]

SABBM

Re. the bolded section : ^^^ Yes,that'll happen... when pigs fly !

SF has pled the fifth, and it's doubtful SF2 will reveal anything further than the time he claimed to have arrived for dinner.
It's as if the entire family and town are in CYA mode for this dim wit PF.

The almighty Google has this to say about the 5th Amendment :
One provision of the Fifth Amendment requires that felonies be tried only upon indictment by a grand jury.
IF SF is indicted, she would have to testify about what she knew before and after the murder, correct ?
The only way I can imagine that scenario is if LE could take a look at her phone/texts and convos with PF.
(Or if PF turns against her during the trial. Doubtful this would happen.)
And without any evidence --the authorities cannot subpoena her phone ?
Or can they ?

At this time it looks like they haven't evidence.
Maybe someone else could chime in .


SABBM
Amazing.

The circle of people who may have had knowledge of Kelsey's murder just keeps widening.

PF seems to be an unlikely person for so many people to want to protect him !
To cover for him, and possibly face prison --for an abusive man who once 'joked' about murdering a nurse who placed his baby in the nicu.
I sure as hell wouldn't.

Eta : Further thoughts and Bolding mine

Quoted my post. Is there a person with legal knowledge that can chime in ?
Also, will KK face any further charges for knowledge of the murder beforehand ?
At this time, it looks like probably not, with the plea deal.
Tia.

 

[skycountry]

Here's a theory with zero evidence...thick as thieves.
The people I have known in the past that would keep others secrets were involved in similar crimes usually drug dealing.
He attracted others ok with murder as bizarre as they may seem...birds of a feather flock together. Something binds them but what?

I guess we will know it when we know it, the tie that binds them.

CC is/was taking a big gamble still perpetuating PF's lies about KB. His Donkey club runs off donations, I hope those donations don't stop coming in for him. Why is he continuing to risk it all?

Why did PF drive a truck with a dead person inside a tote all over the county on 11/22? I am starting to wonder if he dropped it off at RS's late that night, so if someone did stumble on the crime scene and come looking for him, she would not have been at his place. He could have picked it up the next day during the day, and with RS gone to the Nash barn to stash here there. I am sure he was tired, killing someone cant be easy. all jmo

 

[skycountry]

The first RED FLAG ignored by SS. Not sure what they could have done.

Like many battered women, she lied for him, would be my guess.

 

[MassGuy]

Eta : Further thoughts and Bolding mine

Quoted my post. Is there a person with legal knowledge that can chime in ?
Also, will KK face any further charges for knowledge of the murder beforehand ?
At this time, it looks like probably not, with the plea deal.
Tia.

As to your question about KK, unless they catch her in a lie material to this case, she will not face further charges.

A deal is a deal, and she got a sweet one.

 

[Seattle1]

The story CB told said baby K was 3 weeks premature, but I don't think it specifically said she was in the NICU

From the limited information provided, it appears that a premature baby was removed from the room as a typical, normal response to the circumstances.

Whether this was for a moment, hour, or day, PF reacted badly because he believed baby removal interfering with "bonding time."

PF's actions resulted in the baby being kept away from both KB and PF until investigation deemed KB and baby safe with PF.

 

[girlhasnoname]

ImPossible to keep up with this thread so can someone update me on the story regarding finding “teeth” in an envelope at PF house
Was that true and if so what’s the story on that?

There were 5 adult teeth located during execution of search warrants on the Ranchette. Bizarre, but we've learned some people keep teeth.

 

[ab01]

No problem, we are saying the same thing and opinions vary is all. I personally do not know how anyone knows either what LE has beyond what we have all see unless they are an insider. I would not be so sure how much LE believes each and everything she said. That is what they have to work with and are doing so. I also fully doubt this investigation is over or done, tied and wrapped up with a bow.

They are still at the landfill and still investigating. IMO. They continue working on it.

I seriously doubt that some results are even in yet.

With all due respect as well

I’ll say this:

If LE truly has no evidence against kk then she did a hell of a lot better hiding her tracks on the 22nd than she did at any other point of the crime!

Oh that’s right she wanted to get caught on those other days.

Nah She didn’t want to leave a trail, she’s just simply not that good at covering her tracks moo

 

[girlhasnoname]

From the limited information provided, it appears that a premature baby was removed from the room as a typical, normal response to the circumstances.

Whether this was for a moment, hour, or day, PF reacted badly because he believed baby removal interfering with "bonding time."

PF's actions resulted in the baby being kept away from both KB and PF until investigation deemed KB and baby safe with PF.

I think we're on the same page here Seattle1, PF responded badly enough to a situation that required intervention by the hospital staff.

To me it was one more display, a moment when his "mask" slipped and the real PF was seen by all around him. One of many times going forward is what I am speculating.

 

[MassGuy]

I think we're on the same page here Seattle1, PF responded badly enough to a situation that required intervention by the hospital staff.

To me it was one more display, a moment when his "mask" slipped and the real PF was seen by all around him. One of many times going forward is what I am speculating.

Yup. That sort of behavior doesn’t occur in a bubble, and if he was doing that in public, what the hell was he doing in private?!

He is a monster.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yup. That sort of behavior doesn’t occur in a bubble, and if he was doing that in public, what the hell was he doing in private?!

He is a monster.

It really does lead me to believe the other stories we've heard from people about his explosive temper with animals and during the rodeos (flipping the trailer over). IMO

 

[skycountry]

From the limited information provided, it appears that a premature baby was removed from the room as a typical, normal response to the circumstances.

Whether this was for a moment, hour, or day, PF reacted badly because he believed baby removal interfering with "bonding time."

PF's actions resulted in the baby being kept away from both KB and PF until investigation deemed KB and baby safe with PF.

Babies born at high altitude have a higher chance of Neonatal hyperbilirubinemia One of mine had this, and we had to stay an extra day in hospital.

Neonatal hyperbilirubinemia at high altitude. - PubMed - NCBI

eta, they are not put in the NICU, they do have to spend time under special lighting.

 

[MsBetsy]

From the limited information provided, it appears that a premature baby was removed from the room as a typical, normal response to the circumstances.

Whether this was for a moment, hour, or day, PF reacted badly because he believed baby removal interfering with "bonding time."

PF's actions resulted in the baby being kept away from both KB and PF until investigation deemed KB and baby safe with PF.

Yes, premature is generally when the baby is born more than three weeks before the due date. Since she was right on the border, she was likely monitored for a few hours before returning her to the room.
I had to wait three hours before I could have my baby in my room when she was born and I was pretty impatient. I did not lose my temper or yell at the nurses, although I did get up and walk down two hallways dragging my IV pole to find her, with two concerned nurses running after me with an extra hospital gown to wrap around me, since mine had become untied in the back.

 

[ilovechili]

Eta : Further thoughts and Bolding mine

Quoted my post. Is there a person with legal knowledge that can chime in ?
Also, will KK face any further charges for knowledge of the murder beforehand ?
At this time, it looks like probably not, with the plea deal.
Tia.

I will say this much, no one knows what is in the plea deal unless they are part of LE and the courts. I assume there is a reason for that. But that is just my opinion.

 

[UnicornDragon]

With the trailer flipping...

I have been to that fairground and I know the lot. I also know how full it usually is for events. I can not believe, no matter how evil PF is and how vicious his temper can be, that he could get up the speed to make a turn that would flip the trailer where it was claimed to occur. Futhermore, I do know rodeo guys. They may have ignored PF, but that horse would have been gotten out before they ignored PF. Additionally, there is NO other claims that he flipped the trailer, no accident reports, nothing. There'd be something else out there. Not just one person saying so.

I can't believe that the flipped trailer occurred as the claimed statement was. Sorry. There's too much wrong with it.

 

[ilovechili]

I guess we will know it when we know it, the tie that binds them.

CC is/was taking a big gamble still perpetuating PF's lies about KB. His Donkey club runs off donations, I hope those donations don't stop coming in for him. Why is he continuing to risk it all?

Why did PF drive a truck with a dead person inside a tote all over the county on 11/22? I am starting to wonder if he dropped it off at RS's late that night, so if someone did stumble on the crime scene and come looking for him, she would not have been at his place. He could have picked it up the next day during the day, and with RS gone to the Nash barn to stash here there. I am sure he was tired, killing someone cant be easy. all jmo

I appreciate your knowledge from knowing the area. As for your last paragraph, I wonder the same.

 

[mustloveco]

RSBM


Scoffing cinnamon rolls. Poking through her stuff.
IMO

...she probably ate one. Before she went to Sonic. Before she went to PF family Thanksgiving...

 

[ab01]

I will say this much, no one knows what is in the plea deal unless they are part of LE and the courts. I assume there is a reason for that. But that is just my opinion.

Correct
We only know what the charge is and what the possible sentence is.


Which says a lot imo