CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

[lindaromas]

Tippy has it in the timeline.

Thanks.

The 3/11/19 Scheduling Conference was vacated pending a ruling on defense motion filed on 3/7/19.

Thanks!

 

[Irmese]

So, are you thinking maybe KKL stated something to PF, when she found out about KB & Baby K, such as “if you really care for me, KB has got to go away for good.”? I’m still stuck on whether there really were any feelings toward KKL on PF’s part or was she just a booty call/friend-with-benefits who just happens to be as evil and hateful as him. Also I am not sure I believe that KKL just learned about KB & Baby K. Surely she kept up with the latest gossip thru the rodeo circuit, or I would think so.

I don't think KK had the ability to ask PF to prove he loved her. It was the other way around. He's always telling a woman to prove she loves him. MOO.

 

[Trocroc9]

I thought so, too, at first. And I think that would be the smart thing to do. Now I have my doubts. I think he did kill KB with the baby there, then took the baby to the Franchette and came back to get the body after dark. I think he took clean clothes to KB's or had some there at KB's, showered and changed after moving the body. MOO.

I keep flip flopping on this. I don’t want to believe the baby was there!!

 

[ab01]

Great points. Weasel, I like it. Nicer than some of the names I have for her but it fits.

She has blood on her hands--she could have stopped this murder.

With all the differing opinions, that much to me is fact; she had tons of chances.

And literal blood on her hands at that.

I do think it was some type of sick fairytale fantasy for KK in that you know, eliminate the unworthy adversary in order to be with my crown prince.

I think she liked the idea of living a happy ever after life with PF. I think she probably has some mental illness issues. MOO

And I'm in no way making excuses for her behavior.

I do think however that PF was merely using her in order to achieve his ultimate goal and I think he may even had those plans in mind all the way back when he started up an affair with her.

I think PF is truly a very cold and calculated individual who only sees people as tools in order to accomplish what he wants and when he wants them.

I think in his mind people were no more significant than the animals he raised and trained.

As long as they served a purpose to him they were safe, once he no longer needed them they were completely insignificant to him.

I think that if he would have got away with KB murder their would be more murders by him in the future.

Thats one thing were i differ on my opinion of KK and PF, without a kk their would have still been a murder.

Additionally if KK had never met PF I don't think she would have ever murdered anyone.

PF is a true monster and thankfully ones like him are not a dime a dozen.

I believe there are many morally questionable characters like KK that we probably see and communicate every single day, but many of them would never raise to the level of murder unless they become attached to a person like PF

all MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Is there a link, so I can understand what we’re referring to here? TIA

This referenced the initial Wrongful Death Claim CB/DB filed against PF that has since been amended.

Case is filed in US District Court - District of Colorado.
CIVIL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 1:19-cv-00027-PAB-KMT

Link for News9 uploads but no link for the docket.

Kelsey Berreth's parents file wrongful death lawsuit against Patrick Frazee | Intentional Infliction Of Emotional Distress | Complaint

 

[v0x]

So is this whole “third woman” thing just a case of “friendly fire” here? When I plug that phone number into this reverse phone search site, it currently comes up with KKs info, along with what appears to be a married couple. I’m thinking this was possibly an old land line number that used to be used by them that was reused for the burner phone.

208-731-6679 US phone records reverse phone lookup in the US

 

[ilovechili]

And literal blood on her hands at that.

I do think it was some type of sick fairytale fantasy for KK in that you know eliminate the unworthy adversary in order to be with my crown prince.

I think she liked the idea of living a happy ever after life with PF. I think she probably has some mental illness issues. MOO

And I'm in no way making excuses for her behavior.

I do think however that PF was merely using her in order to achieve his ultimate goal and I think he may even had those plans in mind all the way back when he started up an affair with her.

I think PF is truly a very cold and calculated individual who only sees people as tools in order to accomplish what he wants and when he wants them.

I think in his mind people were no more significant than the animals he raised and trained.

As long as they served a purpose to him they were safe, once he no longer needed them they were completely insignificant to him.

I think that if he would have got away with KB murder their would be more murders by him in the future.

Thats one thing were i differ on my opinion of KK and PF, without a kk their would have still been a murder.

Additionally if KK had never met PF I don't think she would have ever murdered anyone.

PF is a true monster and thankfully there are not a dime a dozen.

I believe there are many morally questionable characters like KK that we probably see and communicate every single day, but many of them would never raise to the level of murder unless they become attached to a person like PF

all MOO

Agree with much but not all but then we are all entitled to our own thoughts. Where I differ is whether KK would have still been the type that could do this if not attached to PF.

I think if a pretty KB was connected to any man she wanted and was the other woman (as well as any woman), and she was jealous and it was what she coveted then I believe yes, she could. I believe she egged on and contributed just as much, knocking KB to PF and wanting her gone (and he did the same to her).

Most people have run into some type of manipulation in life and have even fallen for such and in getting away from it and seeing clearly wondered how they could have not seen it for what it was.

Yet if raised right they would draw the line at things like murder or helping with a murder or cleaning up a murder or lying to the FBI. Like many say, especially as a nurse, as a mother, as a female knowing it was going to happen to another female, another mother. She wanted her gone or she would have done something to stop it.

No one could get me to do the things she did. Never.

They lack something and that something is huge and a big hole in their character or lack of any is more like it. Both of them. A bat, a pipe, a coffee. Stalking her. Renting cars, driving miles, destroying phones, etc. No one made her do these things, he was not even with her allegedly on all of these occasions. While she may not have carried them out, she was clearly beyond all normal parameters.

Any mistake I have made in my life (small ones and none a crime) I can honestly say other people contributed quite often, however, I also recognize that the decision was still mine. KK I do not think recognizes that imho. Hence, the fear of him and so forth. Nope, not buying it. Her decisions were her decisions.

Other than that I pretty much agree. They both need some serious mental help but I do not now that one can instill a conscience at the age of 30 some or empathy in such types.

That is jmo however.

ETA: Meaning she had to use fear of him as an excuse and took no blame onto herself. I also doubt she ever will. Her tears were for herself as well.

 

[ilovechili]

I keep flip flopping on this. I don’t want to believe the baby was there!!

I know. It is all really deeply disturbing. The baseball bat used, the baby there, are two of the worst parts. I also suspect that is not all of the worst of it. Depraved monsters is what they are. Imo anyhow.

 

[ab01]

Agree with much but not all but then we are all entitled to our own thoughts. Where I differ is whether KK would have still been the type that could do this if not attached to PF.

I think if a pretty KB was connected to any man she wanted and was the other woman (as well as any woman), and she was jealous and it was what she coveted then I believe yes, she could. I believe she egged on and contributed just as much, knocking KB to PF and wanting her gone (and he did the same to her).

Most people have run into some type of manipulation in life and have even fallen for such and in getting away from it and seeing clearly wondered how they could have not seen it for what it was.

Yet if raised right they would draw the line at things like murder or helping with a murder or cleaning up a murder or lying to the FBI. Like many say, especially as a nurse, as a mother, as a female knowing it was going to happen to another female, another mother. She wanted her gone or she would have done something to stop it.

No one could get me to do the things she did. Never.

They lack something and that something is huge and a big hole in their character or lack of any is more like it. Both of them. A bat, a pipe, a coffee. Stalking her. Renting cars, driving miles, destroying phones, etc. No one made her do these things, he was not even with her allegedly on all of these occasions. While she may not have carried them out, she was clearly beyond all normal parameters.

Any mistake I have made in my life (small ones and none a crime) I can honestly say other people contributed quite often, however, I also recognize that the decision was still mine. KK I do not think recognizes that imho. Hence, the fear of him and so forth. Nope, not buying it. Her decisions were her decisions.

Other than that I pretty much agree. They both need some serious mental help but I do not now that one can instill a conscience at the age of 30 some or empathy in such types.

That is jmo however.

ETA: Meaning she had to use fear of him as an excuse and took no blame onto herself. I also doubt she ever will. Her tears were for herself as well.

I agree nobody could get me to do any of the things she did as well! But I do believe there are many non moral individuals in our society that could be convinced to do things that PF convinced her to do.

I just don't believe he convinced to her to actually commit a murder. I do think she wanted to prove to him that she was willing to, but I don't think she could make herself actually do it.

On the other hand I don't think PF had any problems whatsoever commiting the act of murder other than not wanting to be caught.

MOO

ETA: Don't get me wrong, she is obviously a very terrible person. I just don't think she is a murderer...MOO

 

[Seattle1]

So is this whole “third woman” thing just a case of “friendly fire” here? When I plug that phone number into this reverse phone search site, it currently comes up with KKs info, along with what appears to be a married couple. I’m thinking this was possibly an old land line number that used to be used by them that was reused for the burner phone.

208-731-6679 US phone records reverse phone lookup in the US

I think "friendly fire" probably a good term here -- not even DM would touch it!

I've never purchased a "burner phone" but I know some states require an ID to purchase and maybe the burner was traced back to her. Most likely another party caught in KK's wake. MOO

 

[v0x]

I think "friendly fire" probably a good term here -- not even DM would touch it!

I've never purchased a "burner phone" but I know some states require an ID to purchase and maybe the burner was traced back to her. Most likely another party caught in KK's wake. MOO

They more than touched it, it was their headline that started the whole thing. I think they just need to delete their account on the internets. Lol

ETA it’s since been changed. Yeah. They do that too. Horrible source of information.

 

[acutename]

She and the prosecution are damn lucky that 800 miles separated KK’s home in Idaho, and Woodland Park.

It cripples the defense in any effort to put her in WP, if they can verify her location over certain time periods.

A 12 hour drive is a 12 hour drive. Ish.

#54 https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...terest/2018CR330/002/19-01 Search Warrant.pdf

Walmart in Jerome ID is the vehicle swap spot

 

[Ccging]

I know. It is all really deeply disturbing. The baseball bat used, the baby there, are two of the worst parts. I also suspect that is not all of the worst of it. Depraved monsters is what they are. Imo anyhow.

Exactly.

I keep hoping also that all of that blood in the bathroom is just from PF being very messy and in a rage ripping off his clothes and flinging blood all over. I’m trying to imagine all of that splatter (especially up high) was not caused from the hits with the bat. Even though I know he is a monster.

I think I just can’t wrap my mind around such a cruel person.

 

[MassGuy]

They more than touched it, it was their headline that started the whole thing. I think they just need to delete their account on the internets. Lol

Yes. I can’t say this enough, Chris Spargo is the spawn of Satan.

His last three stories, have been nothing short of complete nonsense.

I implore everyone who uses the Daily Mail as a source:

If you see something with his name in the byline, assume that everything he says is wrong.

I think the Daily Mail literally plucked him off a trash heap.

 

[ilovechili]

I agree nobody could get me to do any of the things she did as well! But I do believe there are many non moral individuals in our society that could be convinced to do things that PF convinced her to do.

I just don't believe he convinced to her to actually commit a murder. I do think she wanted to prove to him that she was willing to, but I don't think she could make herself actually do it.

On the other hand I don't think PF had any problems whatsoever commiting the act of murder other than not wanting to be caught.

MOO

I won't disagree on him. With regard to her, it may be one of those things she cannot quite carry out so she can fool herself into thinking she is not so bad, she did not do it, no one saw her do it and convince herself she is a good person--gag--who knows? I can easily see her getting someone else to do it though or hiring someone. I don't mean she did that here in any way, shape or form; I mean in life, in general, if she was jealous and the guy she was 2nd fiddle with would not leave the other woman, oh yeah, I could see her doing it or getting someone else to more likely. I suspect they each wanted her gone but for their very own reasons. Again, she would have stopped it otherwise.

However, in all fairness, we don't know either of them, we have to take what we see and know about them from the case and our far from always correct news. But that is how I see her. I believe she did put something in the coffee, and I believe that is something she could handle.

And make no mistake, I do not for a minute think he is not guilty. He is. I don't necessarily even think she was there, but I await the proof of that. My mind is open in that respect. I also think she would want proof she was dead and I believe she saw the body. She wanted her gone as much as he or she would have done something to stop it. Most of us would. She did not and there is a reason for that.

I also think there was something up the night before. That may be known, it may be unknown and we may never know.

But this is all just speculation on my part and all jmo.

 

[ilovechili]

Exactly.

I keep hoping also that all of that blood in the bathroom is just from PF being very messy and in a rage ripping off his clothes and flinging blood all over. I’m trying to imagine all of that splatter (especially up high) was not caused from the hits with the bat. Even though I know he is a monster.

I think I just can’t wrap my mind around such a cruel person.

I agree. If we could wrap our minds around such evil, I would be concerned. It is difficult to think as they do because we don't think that way, thank God.

 

[v0x]

Yes. I can’t say this enough, Chris Spargo is the spawn of Satan.

His last three stories, have been nothing short of complete nonsense.

I implore everyone who uses the Daily Mail as a source:

If you see something with his name in the byline, assume that everything he says is wrong.

I think the Daily Mail literally plucked him off a trash heap.

Also, this site. They seem to just lift whatever the DM posts, and tweak it very slightly before posting the same info:

Missing Colorado Mom Update: A Third Woman Emerges In Case

 

[ab01]

I won't disagree on him. With regard to her, it may be one of those things she cannot quite carry out so she can fool herself into thinking she is not so bad, she did not do it, no one saw her do it and convince herself she is a good person--gag--who knows? I can easily see her getting someone else to do it though or hiring someone. I don't mean she did that here in any way, shape or form; I mean in life, in general, if she was jealous and the guy she was 2nd fiddle with would not leave the other woman, oh yeah, I could see her doing it or getting someone else to more likely. I suspect they each wanted her gone but for their very own reasons. Again, she would have stopped it otherwise.

However, in all fairness, we don't know either of them, we have to take what we see and know about them from the case and our far from always correct news. But that is how I see her. I believe she did put something in the coffee, and I believe that is something she could handle.

And make no mistake, I do not for a minute think he is not guilty. He is. I don't necessarily even think she was there, but I await the proof of that. My mind is open in that respect. I also think she would want proof she was dead and I believe she saw the body. She wanted her gone as much as he or she would have done something to stop it. Most of us would. She did not and there is a reason for that.

I also think there was something up the night before. That may be known, it may be unknown and we may never know.

But this is all just speculation on my part and all jmo.

Yah I don't know and its hard to speculate on KK past, possible, potential, crimes based on what little we know.

We do know some things about PFs past.

According to PF past GF he was abusive and very manipulative.

cheated on one while she was in the hospital.

There have been various reports about cruelty towards animals and reports that he was only firm with them. I know which one I believe...

I do think he preyed on women's vulnerabilities

all MOO

 

[acutename]

Maybe he didn’t do it. Maybe he solicited someone else. Maybe the person who resembled him entering her house wasn’t really him. Maybe the carting baby around in front of cameras was to establish alibi. Maybe money he withdrew from bank was to give to killer in exchange for proof, like teeth or something. Maybe killer took body and PF returned to the condo to check things out, saw the mess and decided he didn’t want to deal with it. Maybe he made up the bat story and ridiculous amount of detail to make KK feel bad for not doing it herself in a more humane way. Maybe he was gaslighting her and scaring her with the tote and fire.

having her witness the fire seems crazy, BTW

 

[Thekt]

#54 https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/19-01 Search Warrant.pdf

Walmart in Jerome ID is the vehicle swap spot

I see item #54 re the swap back at Walmart on the 25th @ 4Pm, is there anything stated on where KKL and her nurse friend swapped the vehicles on the 24th?