CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

[Hatch]

What caused the dog to hit the discolored area?

I imagine the two days KB was in the tote bacteria was setting in and she had started to bloat and ooze decomposition fluids, I think that smell was all around that tote. Apology : a little graphic but that is what happens to a deceased body.
Add : you can be 25 yards downwind from a dead cow that has only been dead 12 hours and the stench will make you want to puke. And it takes a few hours to get that smell out of your nostrils. I am speaking of a cow that has died during a hard delivery of a calf , there is very little blood , not the body beat to a pulp like KB may have been. It stinks like nothing you ever want to smell.

 

[Moma J]

I just wonder if KK could get in trouble for taking things from her work place and using them in the clean up or in any way connected to this crime. I’ve been a nurse for over 20 years and if anything was taken from the hospital to use at just say your own home , you could get in trouble for stealing or not having permission to have assess to what you took. This definitely is a mind boggling case. Prayers and Peace for all the Berreth family.

 

[MsBetsy]

He most likely had a change of clothes at KB, and since the majority of his clothes are grey t- shirts and jeans no one would notice. Why would he wash his clothes when you have a bloodbath in the condo? ( if that is true) I am thinking he gathered up all his stuff in her condo to carrry out his theory they had broken up. I do wonder if he took his shoes off and set them in the room with baby K. Then maybe not as KK stated there were bloody foot prints throughout he condo. If she stated footprints instead of boot prints that would answer that question. I just get the eerie feeling he put Baby K down and was having a romantic moment with Kelsey, removing her sweater for her and then said oh wait I want to try something, leave your sweater over your head, then he went for the bat that was nearby and just started pounding

I think KK said the sweater was still tied when she went to the townhouse. I don't remember if she mentioned whether she burned it or just threw it away. I don't think she burned all the contents of the garbage bags. If she didn't burn it, they may find it at the Landfill. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

I imagine the two days KB was in the tote bacteria was setting in and she had started to bloat and ooze decomposition fluids, I think that smell was all around that tote. Apology : a little graphic but that is what happens to a deceased body.
Add : you can be 25 yards downwind from a dead cow that has only been dead 12 hours and the stench will make you want to puke. And it takes a few hours to get that smell out of your nostrils. I am speaking of a cow that has died during a hard delivery of a calf , there is very little blood , not the body beat to a pulp like KB may have been. It stinks like nothing you ever want to smell.

That may explain why they just burned the whole tote with her body in it, instead of removing her body and taking it somewhere else or burning it seperately.
Maybe that's why KK refused to take the body with her, if there really was a strong odor. Depending on the temperature and humidity, it can take two days before it really starts to smell. That putrid odor from the bacteria usually sets in during the second stage of composition, I believe, after the internal organs have started to go bad . Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

I just wonder if KK could get in trouble for taking things from her work place and using them in the clean up or in any way connected to this crime. I’ve been a nurse for over 20 years and if anything was taken from the hospital to use at just say your own home , you could get in trouble for stealing or not having permission to have assess to what you took. This definitely is a mind boggling case. Prayers and Peace for all the Berreth family.

Would anyone notice a handful of rubber gloves and some head caps, or a few of those flimsy white cover-ups they give to people to wear in the OR, missing? All those things they just throw away?
I would imagine she could easily take those things without anyone noticing they are gone. Imo

 

[ab01]

I’m not sure it was actually a hazmat suit, that kk said she had.

I thought she said the things came from her home from when she painted her house.

They make like paper/vinyl ish painters jumpsuits that are disposable. I have often used them my self for spraying knockdown ceilings and spraying laqor on wood trim.

Moo

 

[MsBetsy]

I’m not sure it was actually a hazmat suit, that kk said she had.

I thought she said the things came from her home from when she painted her house.

They make like paper/vinyl ish painters jumpsuits that are disposable. I have often used them my self for spraying knockdown ceilings and spraying laqor on wood trim.

Moo

Yes, so many keep referring to it as a hazmat suit, and I keep meaning to go back and check, because I don't think that's what she said. I thought it was described as white. I'm imagining that cotton paper- like one piece jumpsuit you describe. It covers everything and it's really thin yet not easily torn. Imo

 

[ab01]

Yes, so many keep referring to it as a hazmat suit, and I keep meaning to go back and check, because I don't think that's what she said. I thought it was described as white. I'm imagining that cotton paper- like one piece jumpsuit you describe. It covers everything and it's really thin yet not easily torn. Imo

Yah I was wondering if that was some liberty that an msm took in referring to it?

Or weather it was just a misstatement that was made here and grew legs.

Regardless I don’t believe it was a hazmat suit

 

[24Brix]

In my experience with "burner" phones, which is both TracFone phones and an iPhone using TracFone service, which is what I've used for 17 years (because I'm thrifty, not a criminal), I've had to register them either online or using a home landline, even when buying just a small number of minutes. I don't believe you could / can register from a pay phone. So, I think if someone (using a TracFone) was a person of interest, LE would be able to find out if s/he had a TracFone account and the number of the phone through the computer or landline that was used to activate it. I suppose there are ways to activate a "burner" anonymously. However, I hope I don't ever need to find out. MOO.

IMO, there are many ways to link a Trac phone or similar to a given user, especially if it’s a smart phone. The purchase process, the activation process, the logs created by account logins to various apps like FB, IM, and most others, the appearance of the phone number in other person’s call logs, app activity, etc.

The MEID (mobile equipment identifier) shows up in plenty of places that help reveal the user. It goes way beyond just the tower pings.p (which do get flushed regularly). But third parties like the carrier and end-point apps (if any) hang on to data much longer. Activating an Android or Apple phone of any kind immediately ties it to your account and their cloud services. And even if you set up new accounts, etc., you still give yourself away the moment you contact any device that is not also a burner if it’s part of the investigation. I would think they’d be smart enough to only use flip phones for burners to minimize risk. But somehow I doubt it...

Again, MOO.

 

[ilovechili]

PF bought baby formula at Walmart, LE took a baby bottle nipple for DNA testing, that points to her still taking a bottle. IMO if she was in the condo as KK says PF tells her then it is possible he put her in the playpen with a bottle and she took a nap .

It is possible. In the SW they also took a "sippy cup" so perhaps she used both. The bottle was likely for bedtimes/naps then. He certainly is evil enough to have had her there, I would prefer of course to think she wasn't there.

 

[ilovechili]

could be that the presence of PF who is taller tripped the camera.... but if there was video from 11/22 and nothing from the arlo before 11/29, something is missing

Yes, that could be. It looks though like there must have been another camera based on that statement.

 

[ilovechili]

I thought if IIRC she told CL in person that her phone was broken and she needed a new one?

I think That msn person did a reverse phone look up and saw the previous persons name connected to that number. I think it was an old number that was relisted and was then reissued on the burner phone that KK purchased. MOO

there was never a third woman

much like the wizard of oz woman, just another innocent uninvolved person moo

This just does not make sense. She got the new phone allegedly on 12/4 when they confiscated PF's. This call was made on her trip back to Colorado in November.

I think there are two possibilities here and one is yes it is a recycled number and the other is that this phone did belong to a friend. What are the odds it lists to someone who lives near the gorge she was just stopped at? In Wendell, Idaho? I suppose this is just another wild coincidence. There sure are a lot of them...

 

[Hatch]

I think KK said the sweater was still tied when she went to the townhouse. I don't remember if she mentioned whether she burned it or just threw it away. I don't think she burned all the contents of the garbage bags. If she didn't burn it, they may find it at the Landfill. Imo

KK stated PF instructed her to look for the sweater,a broken tile, and a tooth that fell in the vent. Baby toys etc.

 

[ab01]

This just does not make sense. She got the new phone allegedly on 12/4 when they confiscated PF's. This call was made on her trip back to Colorado in November.

I think there are two possibilities here and one is yes it is a recycled number and the other is that this phone did belong to a friend. What are the odds it lists to someone who lives near the gorge she was just stopped at? In Wendell, Idaho? I suppose this is just another wild coincidence. There sure are a lot of them...

I think there is a misunderstanding of what I meant, or I didn’t relay it well.

The previous poster was referring to somewhere kk stopped and possibly contacted CL that she had a different phone etc.

The first part of my post was that when she told CL she broke her phone was at a totally different time and place than the use of her burner phone.

The rest has been answered and proven by different posters doing public records checks.

Totally unrelated

Also it’s not near the gorge, it on the opposite side of twin Falls


Square peg round hole

 

[Hatch]

That may explain why they just burned the whole tote with her body in it, instead of removing her body and taking it somewhere else or burning it seperately.
Maybe that's why KK refused to take the body with her, if there really was a strong odor. Depending on the temperature and humidity, it can take two days before it really starts to smell. That putrid odor from the bacteria usually sets in during the second stage of composition, I believe, after the internal organs have started to go bad . Imo

Don't you think if he beat her severely enough to knock her teeth out there was a significant amount of blood, KK said there was blood everywhere. Coagulated blood gives off a horrible smell also. We may never know , IMO if he was in that kind of rage he beat her whole body damaging internal organs etc. He could of just hit the head area also. I cannot imagine him beating her with a bat, when choking or smothering would of made minimum clean up,especially if he was going to dump her body to appear she had killed herself. I am not discounting he shot her in the head and it did not kill her and then he got the bat and finished the job. Of course that goes against what KK described.

 

[ilovechili]

I think there is a misunderstanding of what I meant, or I didn’t relay it well.

The previous poster was referring to somewhere kk stopped and possibly contacted CL that she had a different phone etc.

The first part of my post was that when she told CL she broke her phone was at a totally different time and place than the use of her burner phone.

The rest has been answered and proven by different posters doing public records checks.

Totally unrelated

Also it’s not near the gorge, it on the opposite side of twin Falls


Square peg round hole

I have never been to the potato state so I could not tell you personally. However, I am looking at a map right now and Wendell is farther on the route than Twin Falls and interestingly enough right near Jerome, Idaho as well where she allegedly changed vehicles. Things are making a funny kind of sense to me. Ten minutes or miles later wasn't it?

 

[ab01]

I have never been to the potato state so I could not tell you personally. However, I am looking at a map right now and Wendell is farther on the route than Twin Falls and interestingly enough right near Jerome, Idaho as well where she allegedly changed vehicles. Things are making a funny kind of sense to me. Ten minutes or miles later wasn't it?

I’m not sure what that sense is other than kk was using multiple phones in and around where she lived.

There was never a 3rd woman involved

And that was the whole point of the original post.

 

[ilovechili]

I’m not sure what that sense is other than kk was using multiple phones in and around where she lived.

There was never a 3rd woman involved

And that was the whole point of the original post.

Yes that relates to an address right in the same area. Stated in the warrants. By LE.

 

[ab01]

Yes that relates to an address right in the same area. Stated in the warrants. By LE.

What is significant about this information and how does it relate to how and when kB was murdered?

 

[lindaromas]

I think there is a misunderstanding of what I meant, or I didn’t relay it well.

The previous poster was referring to somewhere kk stopped and possibly contacted CL that she had a different phone etc.


The first part of my post was that when she told CL she broke her phone was at a totally different time and place than the use of her burner phone.

The rest has been answered and proven by different posters doing public records checks.

Totally unrelated

Also it’s not near the gorge, it on the opposite side of twin Falls


Square peg round hole

Good morning folks, a chilly, frosty 30degrees here in Ohio. I saw that CO may have some blizzard like conditions today.

I’m on my way to a couple of appointments today and don’t have time to link but somewhere in the court documents or somewhere I read the mystery lady lives near Malaga <spellcheck > Gorge maybe someone else can link to this?