CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #52 *ARREST*

[PommyMommy]

I find it odd as heck that nobody has reported where the hell she was and why there is not a report as to where kk was from 11-21- 11/24. Why was her google locator apps shut off at this time? Where is the explanation and why aren’t more of us questioning this ? I am not trying to be difficult this is just common sense. I think all of us on here would like to know where the heck was kk when all of this took place.

KK's father didn’t notice anything different on Thanksgiving Day when he was with KK, presumably in Idaho, IMO. KK's friend confirmed that they traded vehicles in Idaho the day after Thanksgiving. LE confirmed that KK arrived in CO on the morning of 11/24. I do not have links, but this was all discussed in prior threads. MOO

 

[Trocroc9]

KK's father confirmed that she was in Idaho for Thanksgiving. KK's friend confirmed that they traded vehicles in Idaho the day after Thanksgiving. LE confirmed that KK arrived in CO on the morning of 11/24. I do not have links, but this was all discussed in prior threads. MOO

I did not see LE confirmed she arrived in CO on 11/24. I’ve been waiting to see evidence of that if you could verify that would be great. The other instances she was in Idaho were only family and friendly accounts so I need to see more substantial evidence of where she was to prove her whereabouts.

 

[PommyMommy]

I did not see LE confirmed she arrived in CO on 11/24. I’ve been waiting to see evidence of that if you could verify that would be great. The other instances she was in Idaho were only family and friendly accounts so I need to see more substantial evidence of where she was to prove her whereabouts.

Try the media thread. CO - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Media, Maps and Timelines *NO DISCUSSION*

You may also find the arrest warrant helpful, released about February 20 (that might give you a starting point in the media thread):

 

[Trocroc9]

Try the media thread. CO - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Media, Maps and Timelines *NO DISCUSSION*

I’ve been following the case from the beginning .. it’s here say from the dad and friend about her whereabouts without any police evidence provided and exact dates and times given which in a case like this there should be in my opinion. The SW has left out her whereabouts as well from 11/21-11/24. I guess I’m questioning it because they will not just come out and say her whereabouts. I find it strange.

 

[ilovechili]

KK's father confirmed that she was in Idaho for Thanksgiving. KK's friend confirmed that they traded vehicles in Idaho the day after Thanksgiving. LE confirmed that KK arrived in CO on the morning of 11/24. I do not have links, but this was all discussed in prior threads. MOO

I have to say that I never saw that her father said she was in Idaho, He said he did not notice anything unusual about her at Thanksgiving. Quite an odd remark really. I don't think it ever said it was at his house, his sister's, his mother's, at KK's, in Idaho, etc. I could be wrong but I don't remember that being confirmed at all.

"Defense asking if Slater was involved in discussion with Chad Lee, Krystal’s estranged husband. The defense says Lee didn’t know much about Frazee. Same goes for Krystal’s dad, who didn’t notice anything different on Thanksgiving Day when he was with Krystal."

Taken from everyone's favorite "Sam":

Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing

Not trying to argue but I missed that confirmation of where he was with her, when, etc. if there was one. There is not even any mention of if anyone else was with them, her children, her mother, etc.

 

[Trocroc9]

Anyway for those of you who know where I am going and can feel my thought process I believe that something has always been strange with not getting all the information on KK. Things were withheld from the public and it made it quite irritating for those of us who like to know all the truth. I believe the DA has withheld that info for its own purposes but it makes it hard on those of us who struggle to put the pieces together.

 

[ilovechili]

I’ve been following the case from the beginning .. it’s here say from the dad and friend about her whereabouts without any police evidence provided and exact dates and times given which in a case like this there should be in my opinion. The SW has left out her whereabouts as well from 11/21-11/24. I guess I’m questioning it because they will not just come out and say her whereabouts. I find it strange.

There are a couple of experts who weigh in on the reasons for this so it is not far fetched. I am going down for the count but will try to let you know tomorrow who they are and where to find them.

I as well will never form a complete opinion until these things are answered but even without the answers, both of these two murdering evil people are just as guilty as the other and it does not matter which one actually did it. they should both hang at minimum.

imo anyhow.

have a good one everyone.

 

[Dontknow?]

PF's lawyers really have their work cut out but it's going to get down and dirty on he said/did and she said/did. They will throw out anything to see if it sticks, defense that is. Should be interesting but heck they both had a part in Kelsey's death. Evidence will show the who dunnit's. In my opinion.

 

[Trocroc9]

There are a couple of experts who weigh in on the reasons for this so it is not far fetched. I am going down for the count but will try to let you know tomorrow who they are and where to find them.

I as well will never form a complete opinion until these things are answered but even without the answers, both of these two murdering evil people are just as guilty as the other and it does not matter which one actually did it. they should both hang at minimum.

imo anyhow.

have a good one everyone.

Agreed

 

[Trocroc9]

PF's lawyers really have their work cut out but it's going to get down and dirty on he said/did and she said/did. They will throw out anything to see if it sticks, defense that is. Should be interesting but heck they both had a part in Kelsey's death. Evidence will show the who dunnit's. In my opinion.

I agree and I just think more is to come. I think both are disgusting and each played a role. I just can’t figure out who is more guilty on this horrific crime.

 

[MassGuy]

Anyway for those of you who know where I am going and can feel my thought process I believe that something has always been strange with not getting all the information on KK. Things were withheld from the public and it made it quite irritating for those of us who like to know all the truth. I believe the DA has withheld that info for its own purposes but it makes it hard on those of us who struggle to put the pieces together.

We haven’t been given this information, because it wasn’t relevant to the preliminary hearing.

That was about proving that there was enough evidence to justify moving forward.

KK’s specific whereabouts, weren’t relevant to the case against PF.

They will be relevant at trial though, and that’s when we will be provided those specifics.

Clearly, the prosecution is comfortable with the veracity of her account, especially in light of the fact that pointing the finger at her, will be the most likely strategy of the defense.

 

[PommyMommy]

I’ve been following the case from the beginning .. it’s here say from the dad and friend about her whereabouts without any police evidence provided and exact dates and times given which in a case like this there should be in my opinion. The SW has left out her whereabouts as well from 11/21-11/24. I guess I’m questioning it because they will not just come out and say her whereabouts. I find it strange.

We aren't at trial yet. We haven't heard her father's testimony. It wasn't necessary to include dates and times of what KK was doing on Thanksgiving in PF's arrest warrant. As I said, this was discussed in prior threads - mid-February sometime. MOO

 

[Hatch]

DBM

 

[PommyMommy]

I have to say that I never saw that her father said she was in Idaho, He said he did not notice anything unusual about her at Thanksgiving. Quite an odd remark really. I don't think it ever said it was at his house, his sister's, his mother's, at KK's, in Idaho, etc. I could be wrong but I don't remember that being confirmed at all.

"Defense asking if Slater was involved in discussion with Chad Lee, Krystal’s estranged husband. The defense says Lee didn’t know much about Frazee. Same goes for Krystal’s dad, who didn’t notice anything different on Thanksgiving Day when he was with Krystal."

Taken from everyone's favorite "Sam":

Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing

Not trying to argue but I missed that confirmation of where he was with her, when, etc. if there was one. There is not even any mention of if anyone else was with them, her children, her mother, etc.

That's right - his comment was about her demeanor. I edited my post to read, "KK's father didn’t notice anything different on Thanksgiving Day when he was with KK, presumably in Idaho, IMO."

 

[Hatch]

I’ve been following the case from the beginning .. it’s here say from the dad and friend about her whereabouts without any police evidence provided and exact dates and times given which in a case like this there should be in my opinion. The SW has left out her whereabouts as well from 11/21-11/24. I guess I’m questioning it because they will not just come out and say her whereabouts. I find it strange.

Rest assured the FBI knows where she was on the 21-24. They would not just take her word for it, everything she said had to be substantiated.

 

[nwmouse]

Anyway for those of you who know where I am going and can feel my thought process I believe that something has always been strange with not getting all the information on KK. Things were withheld from the public and it made it quite irritating for those of us who like to know all the truth. I believe the DA has withheld that info for its own purposes but it makes it hard on those of us who struggle to put the pieces together.

I don't think there's anything strange about it.

The DA is likely withholding info from the public for a good reason and the public don't have the right to know all the facts before the trial because it may jeopardize the case against PF.

As much as its irritating for those who want the truth and are struggling to put the pieces together, its in the interest of seeking justice for KB and her family.

IMHO I'd rather not know all the facts beforehand if it means the DA will be able to put PF away for life and get justice for KB and her loved ones.

I've never heard of a murder case in which LE/ the DA has laid out all the facts prior to trial to satisfy the public's curiosity.

MOO

 

[katydid23]

Anyway for those of you who know where I am going and can feel my thought process I believe that something has always been strange with not getting all the information on KK. Things were withheld from the public and it made it quite irritating for those of us who like to know all the truth. I believe the DA has withheld that info for its own purposes but it makes it hard on those of us who struggle to put the pieces together.

Why would we get all the info on the DA's star witness? I am surprised we got as
much as we did.

Why should they care if we are irritated or not? That is the least of their worries.

 

[MemPat]

I don't think there's anything strange about it.

The DA is likely withholding info from the public for a good reason and the public don't have the right to know all the facts before the trial because it may jeopardize the case against PF.

As much as its irritating for those who want the truth and are struggling to put the pieces together, its in the interest of seeking justice for KB and her family.

IMHO I'd rather not know all the facts beforehand if it means the DA will be able to put PF away for life and get justice for KB and her loved ones.

I've never heard of a murder case in which LE/ the DA has laid out all the facts prior to trial to satisfy the public's curiosity.

MOO

The old folks among us remember the satisfaction of a trial with that "Perry Mason Moment" where someone jumped up from the gallery and spouted out a piece of previously unknown damning evidence, therefore, winning the day for the prosecution.

The good old days. (At least, the good old created-for-TV days!)

In PF's case I'm thankful for any tiny evidence morsel held close to the chest by the DA destined to provide our own version of one of these moments.

I believe there are many yet to be revealed and hope May holds out until there are thousands of pages at once that will slap the defense up-side the head right before trial.

I also believe LE discovered every place KK had landed her sorry behind and has talked to all unlucky enough to hang with her.

There is bound to be a great deal more phone evidence, probably texts that seem benign evidence-wise but tell exactly where she was and where she was heading at any given time.

She would not have received what GK calls her sweetie beauty of a deal based totally on her uncorroborated word.

(My own longwinded middle-of-the-night opinion)

 

[MassGuy]

I agree and I just think more is to come. I think both are disgusting and each played a role. I just can’t figure out who is more guilty on this horrific crime.

Both legally and morally, PF is more guilty than KK is.

The person who did the killing, and the person who set the wheels in motion, are one in the same.

She was a willing participant, but was not the cause.

He was.

He’ll get life, and ideally, she’ll be ostracized forever.

It’s just a shame that her punishment won’t be much greater than that.

 

[GordianKnot]

Both legally and morally, PF is more guilty than KK is.

The person who did the killing, and the person who set the wheels in motion, are one in the same.

She was a willing participant, but was not the cause.

He was.

He’ll get life, and ideally, she’ll be ostracized forever.

It’s just a shame that her punishment won’t be much greater than that.

Exactly.

I'm recalling something you've said before, because it really had the ring of truth:

Take KK out of the equation, and KB would still be dead.
Take PF out of the equation, and KB would still be alive.

KK couldn't bring herself to swing the bat.
PF could, and did.

One person cruelly, viciously and violently murdered a woman in cold blood.
The other one came in afterward and cleaned up the blood.
There's no moral equivalency here.

DA May does not need to present all of the evidence until trial.
The public isn't the judge and jury.
DA May doesn't need to, nor should he, be out informing the public in advance of all the facts of the case.

The DA doesn't need to prove PF's guilt until the trial.
Rest assured, DA May will present every single piece of evidence at trial.
He'll lay all the facts out the facts out before the jury, and at that point it will be made clear:

PF swung the bat.
He needs to be the one to swing for this crime.

All of the Above: JMO.