CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #52 *ARREST*

[susiQ]

I agree with the first part Trocroc9. But with respect to PF being stupid? He certainly didn't think everything through. Got too complicated. Too many differing stories, and since "lies have short legs" it gets hard to keep things straight and in sync. Same goes for KK. I'm reminded of something a professor said many years ago about a famous writer (can't remember who now) that in a letter to a friend he closed with something to the effect of, "If I'd had more time, this letter would be shorter." PF planned this for some time and he couldn't get it right. He should have reminded himself of the "KISS" method, "Keep it simple stupid." PF may not be "special needs" but he's no genius to become a suspect from the minute LE and her family knew she was legitimately missing. Involving KK doesn't make him a Mensa candidate either

 

[MsBetsy]

I find it odd as heck that nobody has reported where the hell she was and why there is not a report as to where kk was from 11-21- 11/24. Why was her google locator apps shut off at this time? Where is the explanation and why aren’t more of us questioning this ? I am not trying to be difficult this is just common sense. I think all of us on here would like to know where the heck was kk when all of this took place.

LE confirmed her whereabouts with family and friends. At the least, they know she was in Idaho at the time of the murder.
She asked Meghan to borrow her car on the 23rd, and sent the text to her husband, pretending she was at a friend's house, on the 24th.
I'm assuming she turned off her Google information in preparation for her trip. Maybe she was aware of PF's plan to kill Kelsey the night before the murder, and his call to her confirmed that. It makes sense that she wouldn't want to be tracked as she was making plans to drive to Colorado.
LE believes KK arrived in Colorado the morning of the 24th. I don't think they would have included that in the timeline unless they had evidence to back it up.
The public does not have access to all the evidence, so it is not likely that we will know all the details until the trial. Imo

 

[Kapua]

Both legally and morally, PF is more guilty than KK is.

The person who did the killing, and the person who set the wheels in motion, are one in the same.

She was a willing participant, but was not the cause.

He was.

He’ll get life, and ideally, she’ll be ostracized forever.

It’s just a shame that her punishment won’t be much greater than that.

JMHO, but KKL is jobless and close to homeless now (probably living with relatives) and, aside from her court appearances, hasn't shown her face in public for months. Someone else (dad? aunt?) is supporting her, and I'm guessing that person or persons is none too happy about it. She pled guilty to a felony, and that will follow her around forever. If she tries to get another job, that felony will appear on her background check. She will never escape it. Her punishment on the outside may not be quite the same as his punishment on the inside, but I feel confident that life on the outside will forever be challenging and difficult for her. I imagine that more than one of her family members has chastised her for her heinous actions. She's not getting off easy. She will just be doing her time in a different way. MOO

 

[Hatch]

At one point we had Kelsey's Aunt in here, not sure if she still checks in, if she does. Auntie could you give us a update on how Baby K is doing and the Berreth's plz?
Even if you go thru a mod to do it. Your family is always in our prayers.
Mod plz delete if this is not allowed

 

[Hatch]

JMHO, but KKL is jobless and close to homeless now (probably living with relatives) and, aside from her court appearances, hasn't shown her face in public for months. Someone else (dad? aunt?) is supporting her, and I'm guessing that person or persons is none too happy about it. She pled guilty to a felony, and that will follow her around forever. If she tries to get another job, that felony will appear on her background check. She will never escape it. Her punishment on the outside may not be quite the same as his punishment on the inside, but I feel confident that life on the outside will forever be challenging and difficult for her. I imagine that more than one of her family members has chastised her for her heinous actions. She's not getting off easy. She will just be doing her time in a different way. MOO

It would not surprise me if she is working, her license has not been suspended yet or the last time it was checked on.
I think a nursing home would hire her, or perhaps she is a traveling nurse.

 

[Only4Justice]

Everyday I check in and pray Kelsey has been found.

 

[LietKynes]

It would not surprise me if she is working, her license has not been suspended yet or the last time it was checked on.
I think a nursing home would hire her, or perhaps she is a traveling nurse.

SABBM

Oh my goodness.
Thinking about someone who has been asked multiple times to murder a woman and considered doing just that as well --makes me sick.

Think about her "caring" at a nursing home for your innocent and helpless loved one is horrifying.
What if the patient makes her upset or she feels the job is too difficult ?
What will she do to that elderly or ill person in her care ?

 

[ajaylee]

It would not surprise me if she is working, her license has not been suspended yet or the last time it was checked on.
I think a nursing home would hire her, or perhaps she is a traveling nurse.

Or a prison. They pay surprisingly well, for those that are strong enough to handle it.

 

[GordianKnot]

Or a prison. They pay surprisingly well, for those that are strong enough to handle it.

A prison isn't going to hire a convicted felon.

Which is a shame, since it would've been great to see that's where KK ended up putting her time in, even if it wasn't as a prisoner.

JMO.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Or a prison. They pay surprisingly well, for those that are strong enough to handle it.

Prison guard - imaginable at best! IMO

Reminds me of little missing Deorr's GM ....

 

[Deleted member 102539]

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[susiQ]

Prison guard - imaginable at best! IMO

Reminds me of little missing Deorr's GM ....

NO, NO, NO!! Hopefully NEVER a prison guard! KK has serious mental health issues and if PF could persuade her to do the despicable things she has admitted to, heaven forbid she get involved with another malignant narcissist convict. Who knows what he'd be able to convince her of
What KK needs is years of therapy to figure out how she ended up HERE.

 

[tmar]

I agree with the first part Trocroc9. But with respect to PF being stupid? He certainly didn't think everything through. Got too complicated. Too many differing stories, and since "lies have short legs" it gets hard to keep things straight and in sync. Same goes for KK. I'm reminded of something a professor said many years ago about a famous writer (can't remember who now) that in a letter to a friend he closed with something to the effect of, "If I'd had more time, this would be shorter." PF planned this for some time and he couldn't get it right. He should have reminded himself of the "KISS" method, "Keep it simple stupid." PF may not be "special needs" but he's no genius to become a suspect from the minute LE and her family knew she was legitimately missing. Involving KK doesn't make him a Mensa candidate either

I think PF had thought of several scenarios in his plan, that could work.
In case, one did not, he left hints of others, so eventually, he hoped, things would all tie in.
This ties in with your post, susi, of the Professor, "If I'd had more time, this would be shorter".

PF had not thought of the double cross by KK.
KK is very lucky, PF is locked up, as I believe, she would have not be around now.
MOO.

 

[tmar]

JMHO, but KKL is jobless and close to homeless now (probably living with relatives) and, aside from her court appearances, hasn't shown her face in public for months. Someone else (dad? aunt?) is supporting her, and I'm guessing that person or persons is none too happy about it. She pled guilty to a felony, and that will follow her around forever. If she tries to get another job, that felony will appear on her background check. She will never escape it. Her punishment on the outside may not be quite the same as his punishment on the inside, but I feel confident that life on the outside will forever be challenging and difficult for her. I imagine that more than one of her family members has chastised her for her heinous actions. She's not getting off easy. She will just be doing her time in a different way. MOO

Kapua, I certainly hope you are correct.
KK deserves to be punished for the remainder of her pathetic life.
However, later on, she may move, take on a new identity, start a new life, so those around her, with her new identity, are not aware of her evil background.
Thank goodness, family, workmates, and friends she now possesses will know of her involvement.
I am very pleased, PF's trial will bring KK into the spotlight, revealing more about her.
Then we will have her felony charges and ?? punishment to wait for.
Just terrific.
For many years, I hope, KK will struggle.
Was it worth it.
MOO.

 

[MemPat]

JMHO, but KKL is jobless and close to homeless now (probably living with relatives) and, aside from her court appearances, hasn't shown her face in public for months. Someone else (dad? aunt?) is supporting her, and I'm guessing that person or persons is none too happy about it. She pled guilty to a felony, and that will follow her around forever. If she tries to get another job, that felony will appear on her background check. She will never escape it. Her punishment on the outside may not be quite the same as his punishment on the inside, but I feel confident that life on the outside will forever be challenging and difficult for her. I imagine that more than one of her family members has chastised her for her heinous actions. She's not getting off easy. She will just be doing her time in a different way. MOO

Can you imagine how much KK owes in legal bills? I would imagine she has loans that will take forever to pay back.

 

[MassGuy]

Can you imagine how much KK owes in legal bills? I would imagine she has loans that will take forever to pay back.

Tough to pay back loans when you don’t have a job.

It’s almost as if participating in a murder plot, isn’t worth it in the end.

Who would have thunk it?

 

[MemPat]

Kapua, I certainly hope you are correct.
KK deserves to be punished for the remainder of her pathetic life.
However, later on, she may move, take on a new identity, start a new life, so those around her, with her new identity, are not aware of her evil background.
Thank goodness, family, workmates, and friends she now possesses will know of her involvement.
I am very pleased, PF's trial will bring KK into the spotlight, revealing more about her.
Then we will have her felony charges and ?? punishment to wait for.
Just terrific.
For many years, I hope, KK will struggle.
Was it worth it.
MOO.

tmar, I think it will take a totally new identity for KK to move on but then she would never be able to include her education or nursing credentials on a resume.

As long as she uses her real name any potential employer will google her and learn too much to consider her a safe hire.

In that we can all take satisfaction.

MOO

 

[GordianKnot]

tmar, I think it will take a totally new identity for KK to move on but then she would never be able to include her education or nursing credentials on a resume.

In that we can all take satisfaction.

MOO

RSABBM:
Indeed.
That, and the fact that it appears KK's a stress eater.
I foresee a lot of Sonic runs in her future.
So there's that, too.

JMO.

 

[Only4Justice]

tmar, I think it will take a totally new identity for KK to move on but then she would never be able to include her education or nursing credentials on a resume.

As long as she uses her real name any potential employer will google her and learn too much to consider her a safe hire.

In that we can all take satisfaction.

MOO

Personally, I’m hoping for more punishment for her.

 

[MassGuy]

Personally, I’m hoping for more punishment for her.

I think everyone is, myself included.

It’s spectacularly unlikely to happen though.