CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #52 *ARREST*

[margarita25]

(O/t, I wanted to alert you guys to another woman missing out of the Colorado Springs area—the reason for my specific alert here is because there may be some locals in here for Kelsey; also, we know that sometimes when a search is conducted, a different victim is found. Unfortunately Jepsy’s case has not received much media attention yet and I’d like for this to change:

CO - CO - Jepsy Amaga Kallungi, 26, Colorado Springs, 21 March 2019 )

 

[girlhasnoname]

I don't get it. I thought KB sent the messages about calling when they were done on the 22nd, after asking him if he was up yet and if he wanted to go out to eat.
"Do you even love me?" was sent by KK, right?
Could some of the messages have been preprogrammed? Or was it KK asking him to call when he was done?
Which document is this from?
And where is the message about the pecans? I thought KB sent that after she sent, "call me when you guys are awake."
It just goes straight to the message on the 25th after that.

You're right. From Page 25 of the SW regarding PF's phone:
On 11/22
At 9:15 am KB texted PF to ask did he want to go out to eat
At 9:37 am KB texted and asked PF to call them when he was up
12:41 pm she texted him that she bought real sweet potatoes and if wanted pecans to pick them up
Nothing more from KB to PF until 11/23
At 6:59 am from KB to PF asking if they were awake
At 7:32 am from KB to PF saying she was going running
Then there are a few others throughout the day on the 23rd between 'them' and a few on the 24th and 25th, but after the 12:41 pm text on 11/22 from KB to PF about the pecans, KB was dead IMO and PF was texting his own phone from KB's and/or KK was.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...erest/2018CR330/002/18-111 Search Warrant.pdf

 

[Irmese]

Backtracking to the consumptive testing... IMHO, LE needs to test for touch DNA or blood DNA to prove the DNA was out of place where it was found. This would rule out any of PF's DNA at KB's townhome. Even a small amount of his blood DNA wouldn't be unexpected in his fiancé's home. If it was found at KB's, it could be KK's DNA on something proving she was inside KB's or on the steel rod. Oil from a smudged handprint maybe. Maybe KB's DNA on burned phone fragments. KB's blood in KK's friend's car. As for the gun, it might contain touch DNA from PF, KK, KB and KK's friend.

 

[Trocroc9]

Looks like the the username and password text on 11/25 at 08:53 was incoming FROM Kelsey’s phone TO Patrick’s phone. Am I interpreting this correctly?

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/18-111 Search Warrant.pdf

I’m interested in this particular text too. What are your thoughts on it Trocroc9?

Yes I think you are absolutely correct and am questioning why would KB be texting him his own gmail account info? And what is it all for ? Assuming of course that KB is deceased and Kk is in control at this point why would Kk text this to PF? Maybe to show him she accessed his account. Or really thinking outside the box maybe KK wanted LE to see this and think KB knew his account and password and found something on him leading to her demise.

And then he responds to that text with I’ll look at them when I get home. Are these pictures of cleanup possibly?? In any case why would they text on KB’s phone like that. It just makes no sense not to use their burners. I’m utterly confused on this particular text. Let me know if you have thoughts on this or any others on here.

Also there is this text at 9am 11/25 saying call me when you guys are done. Per SW Kk had KB’s phone and was en route to Idaho or in Idaho . My question is when done with what ? And who are you guys? What needed to be done exactly? Imo this could implicate someone else in the disposal of the body.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yes I think you are absolutely correct and am questioning why would KB be texting him his own gmail account info? And what is it all for ? Assuming of course that KB is deceased and Kk is in control at this point why would Kk text this to PF? Maybe to show him she accessed his account. Or really thinking outside the box maybe KK wanted LE to see this and think KB knew his account and password and found something on him leading to her demise.

And then he responds to that text with I’ll look at them when I get home. Are these pictures of cleanup possibly?? In any case why would they text on KB’s phone like that. It just makes no sense not to use their burners. I’m utterly confused on this particular text. Let me know if you have thoughts on this or any others on here.

Also there is this text at 9am 11/25 saying call me when you guys are done. Per SW Kk had KB’s phone and was en route to Idaho or in Idaho . My question is when done with what ? And who are you guys? What needed to be done exactly? Imo this could implicate someone else in the disposal of the body.

I believe these texts are PF and KK trying to create a 'KB is alive and texting' scenario. The one with the gmail address and password is strange and may have been sent by KK on accident or maybe KK set up a new gmail address for PF for some reason?

PF was not the electronic guru, but I have no doubt that the former glory Rodeo Queen KK is an expert at being sneaky and stealthy with burner phones, fake FB accounts, fake emails, fake personas and fake alibis. I absolutely loathe this morally corrupt wanna be.

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[MassGuy]

I believe these texts are PF and KK trying to create a 'KB is alive and texting' scenario. The one with the gmail address and password is strange and may have been sent by KK on accident or maybe KK set up a new gmail address for PF for some reason?

PF was not the electronic guru, but I have no doubt that the former glory Rodeo Queen KK is an expert at being sneaky and stealthy with burner phones, fake FB accounts, fake emails, fake personas and fake alibis. I absolutely loathe this morally corrupt wanna be.

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Yeah, those texts were clearly made to accomplish two goals:

Make it appear that KB was still alive.

Sell the story that she was mentally unstable, and may have gone off to kill herself.

Those last two texts, were apparently contrived while PF was watching some “Lifetime” or “Hallmark” movie.

Not the best reference point to create fake dialogue. Just saying.

 

[acutename]

Yeah, those texts were clearly made to accomplish two goals:

Make it appear that KB was still alive.

Sell the story that she was mentally unstable, and may have gone off to kill herself.

Those last two texts, were apparently contrived while PF was watching some “Lifetime” or “Hallmark” movie.

Not the best reference point to create fake dialogue. Just saying.

If I knew nothing about these people, I would think it was just a new account with some family pictures posted to it.
Knowing what I do, I wonder if they were playing that game of having just one account, and both people looking at the drafts without ever "sending" anything.

 

[MsBetsy]

Yes I think you are absolutely correct and am questioning why would KB be texting him his own gmail account info? And what is it all for ? Assuming of course that KB is deceased and Kk is in control at this point why would Kk text this to PF? Maybe to show him she accessed his account. Or really thinking outside the box maybe KK wanted LE to see this and think KB knew his account and password and found something on him leading to her demise.

And then he responds to that text with I’ll look at them when I get home. Are these pictures of cleanup possibly?? In any case why would they text on KB’s phone like that. It just makes no sense not to use their burners. I’m utterly confused on this particular text. Let me know if you have thoughts on this or any others on here.

Also there is this text at 9am 11/25 saying call me when you guys are done. Per SW Kk had KB’s phone and was en route to Idaho or in Idaho . My question is when done with what ? And who are you guys? What needed to be done exactly? Imo this could implicate someone else in the disposal of the body.

Was the 25th the day Patrick was driving around with his friend? Maybe it was in regard to that, or picking up the package at Kelseys house. Jmo

 

[Trocroc9]

I don't get it. I thought KB sent the messages about calling when they were done on the 22nd, after asking him if he was up yet and if he wanted to go out to eat.
"Do you even love me?" was sent by KK, right?
Could some of the messages have been preprogrammed? Or was it KK asking him to call when he was done?
Which document is this from?
And where is the message about the pecans? I thought KB sent that after she sent, "call me when you guys are awake."
It just goes straight to the message on the 25th after that.

KB did send normal messages about pecan pie etc on 11/22. I think we are all in agreement that was still her. The messages from the 23rd on is what I am finding difficult to follow. Especially since there is a strange 8 hour gap on 11/24 from when she says I’m taking a shower to PF texting her saying I’ll give you space. I’m just very interested in this because this is the date Kk shows up in Colorado. Prior to her arrival texts look somewhat normal between two people in a relationship then go all kinds of crazy and weird in 11/24- 11/25. This is all moo.

 

[Trocroc9]

Was the 25th the day Patrick was driving around with his friend? Maybe it was in regard to that, or picking up the package at Kelseys house. Jmo

No that came later in December I believe. But I do think that friend is involved. Why would he be at the bank and why would PF be at his property multiple times.

 

[ilovechili]

KB did send normal messages about pecan pie etc on 11/22. I think we are all in agreement that was still her. The messages from the 23rd on is what I am finding difficult to follow. Especially since there is a strange 8 hour gap on 11/24 from when she says I’m taking a shower to PF texting her saying I’ll give you space. I’m just very interested in this because this is the date Kk shows up in Colorado. Prior to her arrival texts look somewhat normal between two people in a relationship then go all kinds of crazy and weird in 11/24- 11/25. This is all moo.

Maybe it has been mentioned, I have not read the past couple of pages but there is a warrant for an email of his and that is [email protected] and is not the same. Interesting. These texts are very odd and also, the texts by KK to the employer, CB, etc. are mentioned but these are not explained. It does explain calls around that time period but they omit and almost make it sound like there were no texts and just phone calls around that time in at least one of the warrants.

 

[ilovechili]

Also there is this text at 9am 11/25 saying call me when you guys are done. Per SW Kk had KB’s phone and was en route to Idaho or in Idaho . My question is when done with what ? And who are you guys? What needed to be done exactly? Imo this could implicate someone else in the disposal of the body.

This is odd too. They had been pretending it was KB texting PF. If this was meant for LE to infer that PF was texting KB and meant when "she and Kaylee" were done with something, it was pretty stupid since he had the baby and had for days if the facts are true from the 22nd on. If these were slips, the email login and password and this message, forgetting which phone was being used (as in if it was KK's or a burner, she was in contact by both and forgot she was on the wrong one), that was also pretty dumb and could mean KK was not doing her deeds alone...

 

[Trocroc9]

This is odd too. They had been pretending it was KB texting PF. If this was meant for LE to infer that PF was texting KB and meant when "she and Kaylee" were done with something, it was pretty stupid since he had the baby and had for days if the facts are true from the 22nd on. If these were slips, the email login and password and this message, forgetting which phone was being used (as in if it was KK's or a burner, she was in contact by both and forgot she was on the wrong one), that was also pretty dumb and could mean KK was not doing her deeds alone...

Honestly , I don’t think they would have messed up which phone they were using as this was a pretty important part of their case. I know many think they were not adept but I think there was purpose to their texts and plans. I think they thought they could text around to serve their purpose. I think they used trickery to text around LE but to us now looking at it it’s nonsensical.

I think you are correct though In thinking that LE infer KB was texting PF. I also think as they did this they were serving their own purposes and had underlying meanings amongst texts. Like it was a funny high school game between them as this all went down.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I believe these texts are PF and KK trying to create a 'KB is alive and texting' scenario. The one with the gmail address and password is strange and may have been sent by KK on accident or maybe KK set up a new gmail address for PF for some reason?

PF was not the electronic guru, but I have no doubt that the former glory Rodeo Queen KK is an expert at being sneaky and stealthy with burner phones, fake FB accounts, fake emails, fake personas and fake alibis. I absolutely loathe this morally corrupt wanna be.

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Perhaps KK wanted PF to disable google location history on his phone. But he didn’t know how to login, so they requested an account login recovery and had the username and password sent. Or if KB’s phone was in PF's name, it may have been set up originally with his gmail.

Yep, these two make our heads spin trying to untangle their twisted plan.

 

[MsJosie]

And thank you everyone for explaining a confusing mess....going to take an aspirin as my head is spinning from all this. Can you imagine what the trial might be like?

 

[steeltowngirl]

This is odd too. They had been pretending it was KB texting PF. If this was meant for LE to infer that PF was texting KB and meant when "she and Kaylee" were done with something, it was pretty stupid since he had the baby and had for days if the facts are true from the 22nd on. If these were slips, the email login and password and this message, forgetting which phone was being used (as in if it was KK's or a burner, she was in contact by both and forgot she was on the wrong one), that was also pretty dumb and could mean KK was not doing her deeds alone...

If there was a third accomplice, wouldn’t KK have been eager to throw them under the bus along with PF?

 

[Trocroc9]

Perhaps KK wanted PF to disable google location history on his phone. But he didn’t know how to login, so they requested an account login recovery and had the username and password sent. Or if KB’s phone was in PF's name, it may have been set up originally with his gmail.

Yep, these two make our heads spin trying to untangle their twisted plan.

I want to say yes that’s exactly why she (meaning KK) sent him the info . Maybe he was that deficit in the area of technology. But why the hell would she do it on KB’s phone and not through the burner phone.

 

[Trocroc9]

If there was a third accomplice, wouldn’t KK have been eager to throw them under the bus along with PF?

What if she wasn’t sure. She is not from the area and does not know all of his affiliates. Maybe she just assumes someone is helping him and is not sure who to throw under the bus. She might know others are involved but can’t name them. MOO

 

[ilovechili]

Honestly , I don’t think they would have messed up which phone they were using as this was a pretty important part of their case. I know many think they were not adept but I think there was purpose to their texts and plans. I think they thought they could text around to serve their purpose. I think they used trickery to text around LE but to us now looking at it it’s nonsensical.

I think you are correct though In thinking that LE infer KB was texting PF. I also think as they did this they were serving their own purposes and had underlying meanings amongst texts. Like it was a funny high school game between them as this all went down.

Some of them sure seem that way. Like you said high school snickering at the teacher because they think the teacher does not know you just passed a note or have your own secret language, not realizing this is nothing new to the teacher who sees right through it. They certainly thought they were sneaky with their plots and different cars and phones and all so this fits right in. And quite honestly, they very likely may have gotten away with it but for CB. No one in that area would have ever reported KB missing or pushed it--not a one probably. They felt they had her employer covered for instance, the one who may report her not showing up.

I find the time of the email info text interesting as well. And the fact there was one at all with that info.

I still am connecting things in the warrants. Every time I read through them and I have many a time, there are still things that when matched from one to another are eye opening or at least food for thought.

imo.

 

[ilovechili]

If there was a third accomplice, wouldn’t KK have been eager to throw them under the bus along with PF?

Could be. On the other hand, she may not have needed to but if push came to shove, she would have. She put friends in quite a spot one has to admit. Kind of like with the SFs and a few others many wonder about. They haven't been thrown under the bus either yet so far as we know but if push came to shove.... Who knows?

Just speculation. It is an odd text along with a few others.