CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #56 *ARREST*

[ilovechili]

Yeah Party Hearty...gamble and knock back some shots after you clean up knocked out teeth from the floor of a murder scene and watch a body burn all.day.long. Sounds super fun (rolls eyes). People who are supposedly terrified for their own safety do that all of the time don'tcha know.

No kidding. Her idea of fun is pretty macabre. I would be having nightmares for the rest of my life (and 'daymares') but not KK. I wonder if the call from LE even put a kink in the fun...

 

[imstilla.grandma]

OCT 5, 2019
Text messages between Kelsey Berreth and Patrick Frazee
[...]

Investigators believe the text message on November 22 from Berreth's to Frazee at 12:41 p.m. was the last text Berreth sent from her phone:

"I bought some sweet potatoes in case you wanted sweet potato casserole but I forgot to get pecans so if you want some get some"

[...]

READ THE TEXTS:

https://doc-0k-0k-docs.googleuserco.../1nzqgmejeo3WzItLifFHsDxkWt7fdPo5h?e=download

 

[ilovechili]

October 7th today.

21 days/3 weeks.

It is going to be hard to take if this is delayed after getting this close.

Imo.

 

[susiQ]

Been away for a few days and my phone would not let me watch the 48hrs broadcast. This morning, I had the opportunity to watch. Aside from all the other observations posted (all excellent), there's one more thing that pi$$es me off. CC taking about PF taking care of "HIS" ranch and even the commentator calling it "HIS" ranch. HE owns NOTHING or he wouldn't have a public defender!! Oh, maybe some horses that were happy to see him go to jail and a couple he shared with KK. His Mama owns the ranch and hopefully not for much longer. HE is NOTHING and has NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH. He's an excuse for a human being. <modsnip - namecalling>

 

[1mtroyal]

I have just listened to the 48 hours piece and the one thing that stands out for me is the finding of another male and female's DNA mixed with KB's blood. Being that KK was a registered nurse and that there was staging going on, and since KK had access to hundreds of male and female DNA, it is possible she could have introduced other male and female DNA to the scene for further staging. Kind of reminds me of the Benet Ramsey mystery where there was other DNA found that was undetermined as to the source (hmmmm….another beauty queen here).

 

[cuffem]

I have just listened to the 48 hours piece and the one thing that stands out for me is the finding of another male and female's DNA mixed with KB's blood. Being that KK was a registered nurse and that there was staging going on, and since KK had access to hundreds of male and female DNA, it is possible she could have introduced other male and female DNA to the scene for further staging. Kind of reminds me of the Benet Ramsey mystery where there was other DNA found that was undetermined as to the source (hmmmm….another beauty queen here).

Just like the spot of blood she left during clean up for investigators to find.

 

[GordianKnot]

Colorado Judicial Branch - Court Docket Search

We'll find out at the Pre-Trial Readiness Conference next Friday, the 18th whether or not the trial is going to get underway on October 28th as scheduled.

Looks like the court anticipates the trial taking around 3 weeks.
IIRC, that's how long the DA said he thought the trial would last.
The docket reflects 15 days have been blocked off for the trial, from 10/28-11/18.

Of course, it may take longer.
As DA May has said, there's a "plethora of evidence" in this case to cover.

JMO.

 

[MsBetsy]

I have just listened to the 48 hours piece and the one thing that stands out for me is the finding of another male and female's DNA mixed with KB's blood. Being that KK was a registered nurse and that there was staging going on, and since KK had access to hundreds of male and female DNA, it is possible she could have introduced other male and female DNA to the scene for further staging. Kind of reminds me of the Benet Ramsey mystery where there was other DNA found that was undetermined as to the source (hmmmm….another beauty queen here).

Was it verified that there was male and female DNA found mixed with Kelseys blood? I thought the DNA was found in or around the sink. I did not know it was mixed with her blood.

Also KK claimed to have left spots of blood behind for investigators to find but I don't think that means she staged the scene. Imo

 

[ilovechili]

If it is like anywhere else, a motion of some sort could be filed at any time, today or any day I would think. I guess it may be likely one would not know or for it not to be decided until the hearing especially because from what we have seen what is filed in this case does not hit the public record until many days or even a week or more later.

Even so, I am checking the docket and filings daily almost expecting a filing but again, I do not think we would hear it until the next hearing more than likely.

Jmo.

 

[GordianKnot]

Was it verified that there was male and female DNA found mixed with Kelseys blood? I thought the DNA was found in or around the sink. I did not know it was mixed with her blood.

Also KK claimed to have left spots of blood behind for investigators to find but I don't think that means she staged the scene. Imo

BBM:

I don't think KK did any staging at the townhome, either.
She cleaned up PF's mess, that's what she did.

Like you and most if not all of the other posters here, I'm extremely dubious of KK's claim to have intentionally left blood at the scene for LE to find...but, boy, it sure does make her sound noble, doesn't it?
Don't we all just admire her bravery so much.

What a bunch of hooey.

Here's the more likely explanation for spots of blood being missed:

No doubt KK had worked herself up quite an appetite putting all that elbow grease into cleaning up KB's blood. It was probably way past her lunchtime already...
Time to hit the Sonic!
Nom-Nom!!!

Priorities.

JMO.

 

[ilovechili]

The leaving of these three spots is odd. I have not really decided on an opinion of it other than in no way did she do it to get caught, hoping to be questioned, bound or to help LE. That is a lie by KK and ruled entirely out imo.

Since eliminating that, it leaves planted and that does not really fit to me either although for those that believe that, it certainly is not impossible.

The last possibility that I can think of is she noted these spots, meant to go back and clean them, forgot, went to eat, etc. and realized later she never got back to them, figured they eventually would find them and so used them to make it look as though she was trying to leave a trail and be a "good" person (gag).

Still seems odd though, two seconds on a light switch, the baby gate, probably the fireplace... Wipe them and be done as you go, why would you not do that...?

Odd. Like much is. There is much we may never know...

Jmo.

 

[MsBetsy]

The leaving of these three spots is odd. I have not really decided on an opinion of it other than in no way did she do it to get caught, hoping to be questioned, bound or to help LE. That is a lie by KK and ruled entirely out imo.

Since eliminating that, it leaves planted and that does not really fit to me either although for those that believe that, it certainly is not impossible.

The last possibility that I can think of is she noted these spots, meant to go back and clean them, forgot, went to eat, etc. and realized later she never got back to them, figured they eventually would find them and so used them to make it look as though she was trying to leave a trail and be a "good" person (gag).

Still seems odd though, two seconds on a light switch, the baby gate, probably the fireplace... Wipe them and be done as you go, why would you not do that...?

Odd. Like much is. There is much we may never know...

Jmo.

I think those are just spots that she knew she didn't clean well. Maybe when she was finished she went to turn the light off, put the baby gate in place, and realized she may have transferred some blood from her gloves onto those spots but didn't want to wash it again with her cleaning supplies so she just left it. Imo

 

[ilovechili]

I think those are just spots that she knew she didn't clean well. Maybe when she was finished she went to turn the light off, put the baby gate in place, and realized she may have transferred some blood from her gloves onto those spots but didn't want to wash it again with her cleaning supplies so she just left it. Imo

Could be. That is why I remain a bit undecided on that one. Or Sonic was calling. To repeat an oft repeated reason.

If one looks back at the search warrants, she pretty much missed a lot in the bathroom too so she may have been in a time crunch...

I don't know. I remain open on this one.

Jmo.

ETA: But I have entirely ruled out she did it to help cops, felt bad about this young mother, etc. or wanted them to find her quickly. 100 percent I do not believe that one.

 

[ajaylee]

A couple questions that may or may not be answered at the trial.

1) What kind of communication did KK and PF have after she returned to Idaho after the cleanup and burning? She told a friend she was 'done' with PF - were subsequent communications limited to conversations about dealing with the police? Or was she finally 'done' with him after she made her deal and he was arrested?

2) I don't understand how SF can plead the 5th. I thought the 5th was about self-incrimination, not protecting someone else. If that's true, SF pleading the 5th would be an indication that she possesses knowledge or did something that could incriminate her.

 

[gitana1]

A couple questions that may or may not be answered at the trial.

1) What kind of communication did KK and PF have after she returned to Idaho after the cleanup and burning? She told a friend she was 'done' with PF - were subsequent communications limited to conversations about dealing with the police? Or was she finally 'done' with him after she made her deal and he was arrested?

2) I don't understand how SF can plead the 5th. I thought the 5th was about self-incrimination, not protecting someone else. If that's true, SF pleading the 5th would be an indication that she possesses knowledge or did something that could incriminate her.

That's right. She's claiming her testimony will incriminate her.

 

[ilovechili]

A couple questions that may or may not be answered at the trial.

1) What kind of communication did KK and PF have after she returned to Idaho after the cleanup and burning? She told a friend she was 'done' with PF - were subsequent communications limited to conversations about dealing with the police? Or was she finally 'done' with him after she made her deal and he was arrested?

2) I don't understand how SF can plead the 5th. I thought the 5th was about self-incrimination, not protecting someone else. If that's true, SF pleading the 5th would be an indication that she possesses knowledge or did something that could incriminate her.

Great points. Who knows about their communication. Maybe through someone, maybe in her deleted records, maybe on a ditched burner phone or maybe they have it.

I agree on the 5th from Ma. She can't save her son by pleading that, it has to point to her to plead it doesn't it? IANAL? I mean doesn't the judge also decide per question? I mean if she is asked is PF your son, she cannot plead the 5th, how does that incriminate? If she is asked what went on on your property on such and such a night...?

It should be interesting assuming it goes to trial...

Jmo.

 

[MassGuy]

A couple questions that may or may not be answered at the trial.

1) What kind of communication did KK and PF have after she returned to Idaho after the cleanup and burning? She told a friend she was 'done' with PF - were subsequent communications limited to conversations about dealing with the police? Or was she finally 'done' with him after she made her deal and he was arrested?

2) I don't understand how SF can plead the 5th. I thought the 5th was about self-incrimination, not protecting someone else. If that's true, SF pleading the 5th would be an indication that she possesses knowledge or did something that could incriminate her.

My guess is there was some communication between the time of KK’s return to Idaho, and PF’s subsequent arrest.

He’d want to make sure she did everything she was supposed to, and they had their stories straight if she was contacted by law enforcement.

As for SF, I think that at a minimum, she was involved after the fact. She’d help PF out because he’s her son, and because of her grandchild.

Unfortunately, the only thing that can probably put her in legal jeopardy is testimony from her son. That’s not going to happen, because not only is it not in PF’s interest to incriminate her, but he probably wouldn’t do that to his mom in the first place.

I think she’s safe.

 

[Steelslady]

My guess is there was some communication between the time of KK’s return to Idaho, and PF’s subsequent arrest.

He’d want to make sure she did everything she was supposed to, and they had their stories straight if she was contacted by law enforcement.

As for SF, I think that at a minimum, she was involved after the fact. She’d help PF out because he’s her son, and because of her grandchild.

Unfortunately, the only thing that can probably put her in legal jeopardy is testimony from her son. That’s not going to happen, because not only is it not in PF’s interest to incriminate her, but he probably wouldn’t do that to his mom in the first place.

I think she’s safe.

@MassGuy that's one post that you've made that I don't agree with. If it meant him getting out of jail and putting someone else in his place, I don't think he'd have any problem throwing his mother under the bus.

 

[Dave F.]

A couple questions that may or may not be answered at the trial.

1) What kind of communication did KK and PF have after she returned to Idaho after the cleanup and burning? She told a friend she was 'done' with PF - were subsequent communications limited to conversations about dealing with the police? Or was she finally 'done' with him after she made her deal and he was arrested?

2) I don't understand how SF can plead the 5th. I thought the 5th was about self-incrimination, not protecting someone else. If that's true, SF pleading the 5th would be an indication that she possesses knowledge or did something that could incriminate her.

1. Search Warrant 19-01 issued to Verizon Wireless on January 3, 2019 was for all information about calls and locations on KK’s phone from April 1, 2018 thru December 4, 2019 at 11:59 pm. I interpret this as the total span of time that KK claimed to be talking to PF on the phone, about any topic IMO
Colorado Judicial Branch - Teller - Cases of Interest - The People of the State of Colorado v. Patrick Frazee

2. The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution is quite clear:
“No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”
The phrase “nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself” is almost exactly what she said in court. We all have the same right, whether we need it of not IMO
Fifth Amendment

 

[Steelslady]

@MassGuy that's one post that you've made that I don't agree with. If it meant him getting out of jail and putting someone else in his place, I don't think he'd have any problem throwing his mother under the bus.

I meant to elaborate a little further above- he doesn't appear to have any respect for women. Starting with his mother.....