CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #9

[jaspermac]

Sam Kraemer on Twitter
He says he thinks police missed something. Could also mean they took pictures of something but then decided they wanted to examine it themselves. #KelseyBerreth

(In response to, "What does experienced investigator think the reason is they returned?")

Right, because if they just had a question there is no way PF would let them drive to his property to ask he would communicate through his lawyer. So they had to be going to relook at something or pick something up they saw in a photo maybe?

 

[moonlessnight]

would PF have access to large animal tranquilizers from his "farm/ranch"?

I think KB left willingly from her home. I think if a crime had taken place at her home there would be evidence of such or evidence of clean up and the neighbors would have noticed if the truck came back after Thanksgiving. This is just so puzzling. The biggest impediment IMO is the span of time between her last sighting and when she was reported missing. That's a head scratcher as well.

 

[PommyMommy]

Nightline episode 12/17

Video: Police search property of missing Colorado mother's fiance

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[Jennifer17]

would PF have access to large animal tranquilizers from his "farm/ranch"?

I wouldn't think so. He is not way out in the back of beyond.

 

[gitana1]

I want to know how PF explained to his family that the baby was with him 24/7 from Nov. 22 on.

I know! Probably he claimed she told him they were done and she was taking off for awhile.

I'm hopeful he will be charged.

 

[allboys]

Agree. I just meant having 5 vehicles there. What purpose for follow up would you need 5? If it wasn't an arrest? But I guess we don't know for sure if it wasn't for the purpose of arrest- what if it was they went there and he wasn't there? Are you going to broadcast you are arresting him, or look in the next spot he might be first? I am probably stretching big time here, because i want that to happen.

I’m hoping if/when they make an arrest, they already know exactly where he is - ie. tracking him. Also hope that while they were there they had some kind of animal protection advocate checking for signs of abuse. Though I would think they would have noticed in the first search? Hmm. I really want to know about this. 5 vehicles seems like an awful lot.

 

[Madison418]

would PF have access to large animal tranquilizers from his "farm/ranch"?

This is an interesting question. My guess is no and that tranqs of that nature would be kept and administered by a vet. I've been wrong before though...

 

[Denvergirl]

From what I’ve read, there has been no arrest.

Unfortunately.

No arrest, but I suppose it is possible that he is in one of those vehicles if he's agreed to go in for questioning...but doubtful..

 

[mickey2942]

Right, because if they just had a question there is no way PF would let them drive to his property to ask he would communicate through his lawyer. So they had to be going to relook at something or pick something up they saw in a photo maybe?

Great. This guy is smart.

I wouldn't want to date him.

 

[Mountain Misst]

Any theory that attempts to explain what happened to Kelsey has to account for the ping from her phone in Gooding ID. If this were a Hitchcock film that ping would be the plot twist that the entire story hinged on.

If that ping did not exist then it would be simpler to theorize reasons for her absence. But her phone appearing briefly 800 miles and 3 days after her last confirmed sighting creates a specific fact that needs to fit into any accurate theory. Not just fit in, but IMHO explaining that ping explains the entire story.

The ping from Gooding fits well with the early Facebook post from her Aunt that "She broke up with her ex on Thanksgiving, he said she dropped off the baby and was heading to Soap Lake Washington to visit.” Taken at face value that statement means it was PF who reported to her family that she was heading to Soap Lake. I believe that the Aunt later retracted or deleted that Facebook post.

Gooding is roughly 60% of the way between Woodland Park and Soap Lake. Gooding is a completely plausible location for her phone to ping if she was indeed traveling to Soap Lake. It is also a completely plausible location for her phone to ping if someone wants to create the illusion she was traveling to Soap Lake.

How can that ping be explained?

KB has phone (#1): Maybe Kelsey did indeed decide spontaneously to head to Washington without giving her family advance notice. PF's story about her leaving is basically true. Whatever the cause of her disappearance therefore is something unexpected that happens along the way. This theory raises a set of questions that are without answers:

• Her known vehicles are accounted for so how is she traveling?
  
• Why leave child her child behind?
  
• Why doesn't she tell her family she is coming either at the onset of travel or when sending the two text messages?

KB has phone (#2): Maybe Kelsey was indeed heading west but not to Washington. She tells PF that Soap Lake is her destination to conceal some truth from him, perhaps even that she willingly wants to disappear. This has the same problems as the above theory plus creates a new mystery around her true intent.

PF has phone: Some here believe that PF must be behind KB's disappearance. An obvious extension of this belief is that PF must be responsible for creating the ping, likely as a red herring to distract from the truth. The question therefore is could he have transported her phone to Gooding and arrived back in Florissant while producing an alibi for his location and maintaining care for the child in his custody? Assuming no stops it is roughly 24 hours of round-trip driving from his home to Gooding and back. So questions that come from this theory are:

• Could he have driven 1600 miles round-trip, pay cash along the way for any need gas or food, and not be remembered or be caught on video?
  
• What alibi has he produced for his time from the 22nd to the 26th and who corroborates that alibi?

Other theories I consider less likely:

PF accomplice has phone: This suggests a conspiracy between PF and some other party to create this ping, wherein PF stays home and cares for his daughter while his accomplice (for motivation unknown) transports the phone to Gooding. But who then is this co-conspirator to what now seems a complex premeditated criminal conspiracy?

A robo-phone: Several other posters here have theorized various scenarios of apps that send time-delayed texts, ways of turning on a phone remotely, shipping the phone in a package, putting the phone on a west-bound truck, etc. These all seem like very implausible Rube Goldberg solutions to me, which involve many possible risks that the message would not be sent at all. If creating a ping from Southern Idaho was critical to someone attempting to conceal the truth then taking the phone there personally or using an accomplice seem far more reliable.

All five of the above theories imply either that Kelsey told PF she was heading to Soap Lake or that PF invented the story that Kelsey was heading to Soap Lake. There is, however, another possibility.

An abductor has her phone (and possibly KB): PF may indeed have received a message stating that Kelsey was heading to Soap Lake, but it was sent by an abductor who knew enough about KB and her work and relationship with PF to craft messages that would avert suspicions for several days.

I'm sure there are some known facts that don't fit one or more of the above theories and can be used to rule some of them out. But I strongly believe that once the ping from Gooding is understood, then the rest of the story will fall into place.

Brilliant entry into WS - welcome friend.

 

[MassGuy]

No arrest, but I suppose it is possible that he is in one of those vehicles if he's agreed to go in for questioning...but doubtful..

He ain’t talking to them no matter what.

I can’t imagine he’d ever sit down with them without his lawyer, and an interview would be facilitated through communication with his attorney.

They wouldn’t show up there en masse, just to pick him up.

 

[The Night Watchman]

According to this reporter, today’s follow-up search at PF’s property, was unusual.

”I just got off the phone with an experienced investigator. He says following up a couple days after serving a search warrant is *not* routine.” #KelseyBerreth

Sam Kraemer on Twitter

ETA: We don’t know if it was a “search,” but a convoy of law enforcement vehicles was seen leaving his property.

Yes, but LE will be saying this is routine. Whether it is not.

I wonder what legal avenue they had to get back on the property. Are search warrants timed (ie 3 -day) or open-ended?

 

[jaspermac]

Great. This guy is smart.

I wouldn't want to date him.

Hopefully, if he is guilty, there will be no dating anyone in his future.

 

[moonlessnight]

hopefully they found something that will put him away. LE have found at least something as evidence so maybe whatever they were there for will strengthen that evidence or contribute to it. Maybe they had CPS/child services with them???

He ain’t talking to them no matter what.

I can’t imagine he’d ever sit down with them without his lawyer, and an interview would be facilitated through communication with his attorney.

They wouldn’t show up there en masse, just to pick him up.

 

[TexLil]

I've read most posts and articles on Kelsey's disappearance and am trying to connect the dots on the little we know. Thinking thru everything my opinion of a possible scenario is...

KB mom said she received calls from KB Thanksgiving morning. A recipe was discussed. KB apparently advised her mom that KB, PF and baby K were going out to eat. Some normal things happened.. Trip to store. It seems that PF did come over to pick up KB and baby K (neighbor saw truck around lunch time). KB left with just her purse and phone and baby K which would be normal if just heading out for lunch.

Something happened during the lunch outing in my opinion and speculation only. I don't think it was planned. KB likely deceased sadly. MOO.

PF brought baby K to his home and the cover up began. His mom is available to watch baby K. He could turn off phone right away. Could drive and dispose of evidence, create false scenarios with her phone. He had quite a head start.

Imo some key information is the last phone data BEFORE Idaho. They haven't released. Could KB and PF phones have pinged off same tower at 2pm for example but then his pings at his home but hers no longer pings until the 25th?

All is my opinion I am very open to all possibilities including praying that beautiful and strong KB is alive...but Imo this seems like the mostly likely scenario. Imo.

 

[moonlessnight]

I assume they would have to get legal access through a judge to enter the property for a specific item. I think it is in connection with the piece of evidence they said they now have.

Yes, but LE will be saying this is routine. Whether it is not.

I wonder what legal avenue they had to get back on the property. Are search warrants timed (ie 3 -day) or open-ended?

 

[MyBelle]

Not all employers offer life insurance coverage, and there are limitations even from a group life insurance product. Until I see something from DOSS that KB does have life insurance, I'm not going to assume she has any.

DOSS won't comment about private employee information.

 

[CDB]

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[Gardener1850]

It’s probably a cross between having a conversation with Chris Watts and a horse.

Not that I’m willing to call him a murderer just yet.

Hey now, let's not insult horses!

 

[MyBelle]

Good point. She herself could have had a flip phone. I do know it was said on the official missing page that she didn’t use Facebook much, so maybe she wasn’t much in to technology either

I doubt anyone who has a career which is technology based is going to be using old technology in their personal lives. I just don't see it. JMO