CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #9

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  • #781
PF comes from a LE family. So do I....... LE laughs amongst themselves at "suspected people" who "talk " to them..... PF has gave them his phone and DNA and is doing the right thing to protect himself, innocent or guilty, by not talking to anyone....MOO

I think this could very well be why he's not talking and why he lawyered up. There's been a decline in trust between the people and LE over the past several years and it's somewhat surprising to me that we don't see this more often. No matter how right, wrong, frustrating or how many red flags we think it raises he's protecting himself.
jmo
 
  • #782
That’s certainly likely.

But it’s the fact that he didn’t report her missing, coupled with no effort to publicize her disappearance, that really makes me suspicious.

Getting a lawyer and not talking to the police, is bothersome, but not as bad as the former.

I haven’t seen this behavior before, not from an innocent man atleast.
Why won't he talk with LE with his lawyer present, I wonder?

In my opinion only, his actions speak louder than words. No, he doesn't have to do press conferences and sob in front of the media. He could just show that he cared about her- something he has not done.

you would think he would try to cooperate to help find her! If he's innocent, why would he want the police to continue to suspect him like this and not help point them in the right direction?
 
  • #783
This is concerning. The original search was supposed to be 3 days and wasn’t even 48 hours...
The police chief said that the search could take up to 3 days. I think it just turned out that it didn't take them that long. Its just not that big of a property.
 
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I think this could very well be why he's not talking and why he lawyered up. There's been a decline in trust between the people and LE over the past several years and it's somewhat surprising to me that we don't see this more often. No matter how right, wrong, frustrating or how many red flags we think it raises he's protecting himself.
jmo

Wonder how long until PF changes and starts saying that a mysterious man was seen around the property. Seems the type
 
  • #786
Pommy can you confirm this as well? I thought I had read that CB called PF on the 25th, but I was unable to find a decent timeline anywhere. Not casting shadows on your post Granny, just want to be absolutely sure. :)

Yes please we need clarification again....because if a well check was done on 11/25 which didn’t find KB, AND PF told CB on 11/25 that KB was headed to visit grandma AND CB then waited until 12/2 to report her missing (after one would think she followed up with KBs grandma) .....why did CB wait a week to report her missing ???
 
  • #787
Let me ask you a question---a hypothetical.

Let's say for a minute that PF knew that not all of the things CB was saying about KB were true. Just pick a thing or two that CB said about KB--I don't care which. Say PF knew that CB had embellished the closeness of her relationship with KB, or that CB had falsely implied that KB had not acted erratically in the past, or just whatever. Again, this is just a hypothetical.

How would PF go about correcting any misimpressions without looking like the bad guy?

By speaking out, and telling the truth as he knows it. As it stands now, he is looking like more than simply "the bad guy"; he is looking like he is responsible for her disappearance, and even worse.
 
  • #788
This is concerning. The original search was supposed to be 3 days and wasn’t even 48 hours...
And they have looked at no other.
Today they went with force to probably return a book they took by accident.
They so want it to be him. Why?
What if he had nothing to do with her disappearance.
Then who???
The million dollar question. Who are 'they' protecting?
 
  • #789
Go back and listen to the first press conference.
-Kelsey and her mom talked on the phone on Nov 22nd.
-Kelsey's mom called police for a wellness check at Kelsey's duplex on Nov 25th.
-Patrick and Kelsey's mom had some type of communication on Nov 25th.
-Kelsey's brother goes to Kelsey's duplex on Dec. 2nd and finds only her purse and keys missing.
-Missing person report filed at this time.
No. Kelsey's mother was in contact with PF on December 2nd and the Welfare check was also on December 2nd.

Here is the timeline straight from the Woodland Park Police
Woodland Park Police Department
 
  • #790
Sounds good to me. I think he should be nervous. :)
MOO

I also hope he is nervous about his business now that the media has reported animal cruelty.
Would love to see "Animal Rights' folk, with their banners outside his places of business, and when he is performing.
Word of mouth does spread quickly.
MOO.
 
  • #791
Yes please we need clarification again....because if a well check was done on 11/25 which didn’t find KB, AND PF told CB on 11/25 that KB was headed to visit grandma AND CB then waited until 12/2 to report her missing (after one would think she followed up with KBs grandma) .....why did CB wait a week to report her missing ???

Okay. I took my calcium today. Not speaking for anyone else. Or, is it clarification that we need?
 
  • #792
Several news articles early on indicated there was a welfare check on Nov. 25. LE has not said those reports were in error so some of us choose to believe they are accurate. JMO
The chief of police stated that the welfare check was on Dec 2. That's the same date that the mom called the fiance (Dec 2), and it's the same date the mom called LE (Dec 2), and it is the same date LE went to Kelsey's residence to look for her (Dec 2).

When the mom called the fiance on Dec 2, he told her about the text he received on Nov 25.

Reporters got it mixed up.

jmo
 
  • #793
I agree we need to always keep our eyes open, but the further away we need to go from the facts we already have, the less logical it is to me... I can’t get away from these facts:

KB had the baby, now PF has the baby, making an exchange since the last time she was seen on camera. Therefore he has to be the last known person to see her as far as we know.

PF did not report her missing after not hearing from her for 7 days. Maybe there’s a reason we don’t know, but we do know that fact.

LE had probable cause enough to get a warrant to search his property.

LE says her disappearance is suspicious and they don’t think she left willingly on her own.

With these things we know I’m having a hard time not looking in one direction. I obviously hope there’s more to this that points a different way, but I feel it’s a stretch to get there at this point.


I am also thinking, "cui prodest"? Who benefits, in Latin. And much as we may not know the whole story of a young, unmarried (and maybe not even engaged?) woman with a child, what we know looks the following:
- she has contacts with her family in ID, with her family in WA, and with her SO (father of her child) in CO, and with her work. And some past life of which we know nothing.

- her family does not benefit from her disappearance; she is on regular speaking terms with her mother, and her BIL has stories to tell about her. (Having a child out-of-wedlock as even the reason to estrange her, like I sometimes read in different posts, I seriously doubt; I am not a Protestant but from observation, a serious sin in their eyes would have been abortion. Premarital sex, extramarital affairs are not great, of course, but they can be prayed for and atoned for).

- her workplace employs her. There may be something going on there, personally, that we don't know about, but usually even more difficult situations are resolved peacefully. Pilots have a certain IQ, and they think logically, and they can weigh pros and cons. So in my eyes, it remains a possibility, but a slim one.

- Someone from the past? One has to know the story and the person from the past has to be so well aware of PF and the job as to send two convincing texts.

- PF with whom KB has a child. Here, everything seems to be a mess, sorry. KB and PF, try to do well by raising the kid together, but PF is stuck at the farm, she works long hours and commutes, they live separately, and in general, sooner or later such relationships break. Unless people find the means to move together, but it did not seem to be in the cards. And I suspect that all three people involved in the care of the child, KB, PF and his mother, are very attached to the girl and have endured not ideal situations for quite a while. It looks fragile, to me. It is a triangle bound by the child.

But in this extremely situation, anyone who appears on the horizon, be it another love interest for PF or the one for KB, tips the scales incredibly. And then someone might be interested in resolving it.

85% PF, 7% someone at work, 8% someone from the past. PF might have had some help, work situation, no external help, someone from the past, neither.
 
  • #794
I haven't read one thing either, that by itself, causes me to think that way. But I've read a lot of things that, when put together, make him my personal POI.

Sorry, but I haven't read one thing that makes me think the ex-boyfriend, baby daddy should be considered a suspect in Kelsey's disappearance.
 
  • #795
Sure. But he’s made things a lot worse.

These were self inflicted wounds.

He didn’t even have to stand in front of cameras. He just had to do something.

When you say, "he's made things a lot worse," do you mean from a public public perspective or a likelihood-of-prosecution perspective?

I mean obviously you are at least referring to a public perception perspective--we can all agree that he is taking a beating in the media, but he also has to worry about being wrongfully accused and arrested. (Presuming for the sake of this discussion that he is innocent.) It is such a minefield---surely he doesn't trust anyone but his lawyer, and he probably has doubts about him even.
 
  • #796
Pommy can you confirm this as well? I thought I had read that CB called PF on the 25th, but I was unable to find a decent timeline anywhere. Not casting shadows on your post Granny, just want to be absolutely sure. :)
Pommy will know. :)
You can also read thread #1 again. It is discussed there.
 
  • #797
Why won't he talk with LE with his lawyer present, I wonder?

In my opinion only, his actions speak louder than words. No, he doesn't have to do press conferences and sob in front of the media. He could just show that he cared about her- something he has not done.

you would think he would try to cooperate to help find her! If he's innocent, why would he want the police to continue to suspect him like this and not help point them in the right direction?
I thought the sheriff said he was cooperating?
Cooperating does not mean press conferences or reporting to sluethers times and dates of such cooperation.
 
  • #798
Some people, yes. But some of us do take things other than being the SO and the last to see someone into consideration as well.

Exactly. The one thing he has not done that I put a huge weight on and makes me lean in a certain direction.

Not letting a worried Kelsey's Mom see her grandaughter and hold her for a little bit at least.
 
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I took late afternoon off from WS and missed 20 pages...anything new develop? I saw they did a follow up at his house today but anything else?
 
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