CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #58

[MyBelle]

Why wouldn't they search Nash Ranch? Her body was there!

I've wondered the same thing. It makes no sense to me that he would hide the body there and then take it to his front yard to burn.

JMO

 

[GordianKnot]

Kelsey Berreth case: A timeline of events

Here's another really good, comprehensive case summary that just got published today, so it's current.

 

[Dave F.]

Keeping score: Most of the 14 jurors dismissed Monday afternoon were dismissed because they thought PF was guilty. Number of jurors dismissed because they thought PF was innocent...…. Zero The final score might be something around 70 to 0.

If 100 were called, and 20 didn't show up, that's 80 who got there. Of those, 35 were called back Friday for final selection. That leaves 45 who were excused. Somewhere in the bunch, 14 tried the "He's guilty!" ploy. I'm not seeing a 70% number in there anywhere. What am I missing? Just asking.

 

[Dave F.]

That may be what happened. It's also possible LE may have conducted searches of the rivers or concluded it was an unlikely body disposal for whatever the reason such as depth or clarity of the water. Some of the rivers in the mountains are pretty shallow and the water is crystal clear. My dad spent hours fly-fishing. Maybe some locals could give some insight.

JMO

The waters are very shallow and crystal clear. Every bit of flowing water is owned by the cities of Colorado Springs, Denver and Los Angeles; so it is tested about every third day, year in and year out. IMO

 

[lindaromas]

I've wondered the same thing. It makes no sense to me that he would hide the body there and then take it to his front yard to burn.

JMO

Exactly!

Any count on how many jurors were dismissed today??

 

[MsBetsy]

I've wondered the same thing. It makes no sense to me that he would hide the body there and then take it to his front yard to burn.

JMO

Maybe he didn't want to hide the body in a location he knew a witness could connect him to.
Maybe that's why he did not tell KK where he put the body.
He didn't want to take any chances.
Maybe he didn't trust her completely.

Imo

 

[Dave F.]

Exactly!

Any count on how many jurors were dismissed today??

Not yet, but they are expecting to have 90 return on Friday for final selection, and picked 35 yesterday. That leaves 55 to go, over three days. That a little less than twenty per day.

Only 100 were called today, but the early report seemed like most of them arrived. Look for eighty or so to have been excused IMO

 

[Seattle1]

Not a chance in hell. Even if he was incentivized to do so, he wouldn’t reveal where he put her remains.

He’s the kind of guy who would deny being guilty of murder, even if there was a video of him actually committing it.

I’m super curious as to what the basis of the landfill search was, as according to KK’s account, even she didn’t know where he ultimately put Kelsey.

My guess is that there is something specific that directed them there.

I agree.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was pinging near the landfill during certain period. He's not likely to leave his phone home, or turn it off for that matter!

And we know he's not very bright about how a cell phone tracks your movement.

MOO

 

[MassGuy]

I agree.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was pinging near the landfill during certain period. He's not likely to leave his phone home, or turn it off for that matter!

And we know he's not very bright about how a cell phone tracks your movement.

MOO

It’s funny. Every time I watch one of those true crime shows in which cell phone evidence breaks the case, I smile.

Those killers were dumb, but that ain’t nothing compared to what this genius did.

This wasn’t some small error, one that took place in a short timespan (minutes or hours). This was days long, and involved two phones.

We likely haven’t heard the half of it yet.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Why wouldn't they search Nash Ranch? Her body was there!

I feel LE would have definitely searched that there, maybe we just don't know about it yet.

 

[Lhughessk]

I'm good with dumping PF's carcass in an active volcano.
Saves the Colorado taxpayers the costs of a cremation.

And then we would all have Frazee particles in the air we breathe, the water we drink... no thanks.

 

[GordianKnot]

And then we would all have Frazee particles in the air we breathe, the water we drink... no thanks.

Wait, Whaaaaaaat???

Are you saying there's volcanic ash in my Dasani?

What a rip-off! I ain't coming back to this dive of a restaurant again!

(Snaps fingers) "Waiter!!! Please remove this ash-infested water from my table immediately and bring me a nice glass of rose, instead."

 

[Warwick7]

If 100 were called, and 20 didn't show up, that's 80 who got there. Of those, 35 were called back Friday for final selection. That leaves 45 who were excused. Somewhere in the bunch, 14 tried the "He's guilty!" ploy. I'm not seeing a 70% number in there anywhere. What am I missing? Just asking.

MOO. I don't see a "ploy." I see citizens stating a personal fact.

 

[MyBelle]

The waters are very shallow and crystal clear. Every bit of flowing water is owned by the cities of Colorado Springs, Denver and Los Angeles; so it is tested about every third day, year in and year out. IMO

I believe it. How close does the road run alongside the Arkansas River? From Loveland to Estes Park, the highway is right next to the Big Thompson. No way to dispose of a body without being seen there.

So very unlike the Muddy Mo (Missouri River) where bodies have been dumped and often disappear forever.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

I agree.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was pinging near the landfill during certain period. He's not likely to leave his phone home, or turn it off for that matter!

And we know he's not very bright about how a cell phone tracks your movement.

MOO

I agree.
They are tracking pings efficiently.

 

[1mtroyal]

If 100 were called, and 20 didn't show up, that's 80 who got there. Of those, 35 were called back Friday for final selection. That leaves 45 who were excused. Somewhere in the bunch, 14 tried the "He's guilty!" ploy. I'm not seeing a 70% number in there anywhere. What am I missing? Just asking.

The 70 is a number, not a %. There will probably be over 400 potential jurors questioned. 70 is less than 20%. Most of the 14 in the afternoon were excused because of bias. If 12 were excused for this reason over 4 days that would equal 48. How many were excused during the morning session? When I was excused from jury duty, I was told right away. So we do not know how many were excused during the morning session (if any) due to bias.

 

[GordianKnot]

I feel LE would have definitely searched that there, maybe we just don't know about it yet.

Yep, I completely agree with your assessment.

It sure looks to me like some of the search warrants were sealed...when you look at the warrants that the court has published, they're listed consecutively and a couple of the numbers are skipped.

I think those missing numbers represent sealed warrants.

I do think Nash was searched, and I think that's one of the sealed warrants.

JMO.

 

[MyBelle]

Keeping score: Most of the 14 jurors dismissed Monday afternoon were dismissed because they thought PF was guilty. Number of jurors dismissed because they thought PF was innocent...…. Zero The final score might be something around 70 to 0.

Jurors wouldn't be dismissed if they believe PF is innocent. I doubt there will be a problem seating a fair and impartial jury in this case.

JMO

 

[Hatfield]

I've wondered the same thing. It makes no sense to me that he would hide the body there and then take it to his front yard to burn.

JMO

JMO
I agree about that and I have not waivered in my original feeling that he probably dumped her in an abandoned mine shaft that he knew about which was close by.

I know some people dont like the local reporter "who cannot be named" but that one interview he did with the past Ex-girlfriend was eye opening to fully show what PF was really like. And when she mentioned about him saying he knew places he could put someone where nobody would ever find it I think he was referring to an abandoned mine.

Ive done plenty of brush burning and I am totally convinced he did NOT burn the entire body in that tote or in that silver cattle trough. Way too small for a hot enough fire. There is no way he could have done it without either a huge barnfire type fire or some sort of forced air through a blower or something to get a hotter heat.

I suspect he only burned the tote because it still needed to be destroyed due to body fluids (sorry to be graphic but these cases tend to get that way) and maybe some other personal clothing type items that needed destroyed.

All JMO of course.

 

[MassGuy]

Yep, I completely agree with your assessment.

It sure looks to me like some of the search warrants were sealed...when you look at the warrants that the court has published, they're listed consecutively and a couple of the numbers are skipped.

I think those missing numbers represent sealed warrants.

I do think Nash was searched, and I think that's one of the sealed warrants.

JMO.

Well we know they would have searched the barn area thoroughly, as that’s where Kelsey’s body was allegedly stored.

As for the entire ranch itself, who knows.

I suppose he could have stored her body there, attempted to burn it back at his mommy’s place, and then returned to Nash to dispose of the remains.

But I tend to think that’s unlikely. They probably searched that landfill for a reason, and had he returned to Nash a third time, then I doubt the landfill search would have been conducted.