CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #58

[MyBelle]

That WAS the story! We are not allowed to sleuth witnesses, but my personal opinion is that it was a double doubtful. I haven't moved in over fifty years myself, but I would think that if I did, the first order of business would be to change addresses. Also, if I was moving myself, I think I would not need to borrow a pickup truck, because I already own one. Many people in the western United States do. I'm anxious to hear that story first hand, in trial testimony, because if it was me, I would be lying. JMO

I'm especially looking forward to that witness. The gun with the missing round raises a lot of questions I've yet to see answered.

JMO

 

[susiQ]

Yep, I completely agree with your assessment.

It sure looks to me like some of the search warrants were sealed...when you look at the warrants that the court has published, they're listed consecutively and a couple of the numbers are skipped.

I think those missing numbers represent sealed warrants.

I do think Nash was searched, and I think that's one of the sealed warrants.

JMO.

I just noticed your new avatar. Killing myself laughing Where do you find this stuff?

 

[MassGuy]

I'm especially looking forward to that witness. The gun with the missing round raises a lot of questions I've yet to see answered.

JMO

Questions that are likely to remain unanswered, IMO.

Not that it matters, because Kelsey had almost certainly been dead for a full day and a half before KK even arrived in Colorado.

So a missing round may not be true to begin with, especially if there was a significant period of time in between discovery and the last time the weapon was handled by MG.

And even if a round was missing, it doesn’t change anything.

 

[Seattle1]

The 70 is a number, not a %. There will probably be over 400 potential jurors questioned. 70 is less than 20%. Most of the 14 in the afternoon were excused because of bias. If 12 were excused for this reason over 4 days that would equal 48. How many were excused during the morning session? When I was excused from jury duty, I was told right away. So we do not know how many were excused during the morning session (if any) due to bias.

About 125 summoned for Monday -- 85 showed.

32 dismissed by lunch. Leaves about 53 for after lunch.

14 dismissed after lunch -- and most believed PF guilty.

Oct 28, 2019

Of the 85 potential jurors who came to court on Monday morning, 32 were dismissed by the lunch break for personal or financial restrictions. During the afternoon, the prosecution and defense individually questioned each of the remaining potential jurors, a process called void dire.

<snip>

Most of the 14 jurors who were dismissed after lunch Monday afternoon said they already believed that Frazee is guilty. Others openly said they didn’t want to serve on the jury. One member of the pool graduated from the same high school class as Frazee and had worked with him. He too was excused.

Kelsey Berreth murder case: Court begins whittling 1,750 summons down to 12 jurors, 4 alternates

^^s/bbm

 

[NWLady]

The state I live in, the jurors are chosen from the County that the case is going to be heard in. Does it work differently in Colorado? The reason I ask is because reading the MSM article somebody had just posted, it said some people had 2-1/2 drive or so from El Paso County to report to the courthouse today?

Thanks in advance for any answers.

 

[1mtroyal]

Questions that are likely to remain unanswered, IMO.

Not that it matters, because Kelsey had almost certainly been dead for a full day and a half before KK even arrived in Colorado.

So a missing round may not be true to begin with, especially if there was a significant period of time in between discovery and the last time the weapon was handled by MG.

And even if a round was missing, it doesn’t change anything.

KK must have had a plan to cope with someone unexpected showing up at Kelsey's house while she was spending hours cleaning up the mess. This may have involved having a gun handy. She may have fired it somewhere to make sure it was ready to use.

 

[MyBelle]

JMO
I agree about that and I have not waivered in my original feeling that he probably dumped her in an abandoned mine shaft that he knew about which was close by.

I know some people dont like the local reporter "who cannot be named" but that one interview he did with the past Ex-girlfriend was eye opening to fully show what PF was really like. And when she mentioned about him saying he knew places he could put someone where nobody would ever find it I think he was referring to an abandoned mine.

Ive done plenty of brush burning and I am totally convinced he did NOT burn the entire body in that tote or in that silver cattle trough. Way too small for a hot enough fire. There is no way he could have done it without either a huge barnfire type fire or some sort of forced air through a blower or something to get a hotter heat.

I suspect he only burned the tote because it still needed to be destroyed due to body fluids (sorry to be graphic but these cases tend to get that way) and maybe some other personal clothing type items that needed destroyed.

All JMO of course.

ITA about the fire intensity needed to burn a body. I don't know anything about abandoned mine shafts in that area. They should be searched in order to allow her family to lay her to rest.

JMO

 

[Ultra Violet]

The state I live in, the jurors are chosen from the County that the case is going to be heard in. Does it work differently in Colorado? The reason I ask is because reading the MSM article somebody had just posted, it said some people had 2-1/2 drive or so from El Paso County to report to the courthouse today?

Thanks in advance for any answers.

If I am thinking of the same report, it was courtroom workers that traveled to help out Teller County and not jurors that traveled that far.

jmo

 

[MyBelle]

The state I live in, the jurors are chosen from the County that the case is going to be heard in. Does it work differently in Colorado? The reason I ask is because reading the MSM article somebody had just posted, it said some people had 2-1/2 drive or so from El Paso County to report to the courthouse today?

Thanks in advance for any answers.

iirc, the judicial district also includes El Paso County but the workers traveling the 2.5 hours were from Adams County.

JMO
Hundreds of potential jurors will walk through a tiny courthouse built in 1905. Here’s what that looks like.
eta: link

 

[GordianKnot]

Questions that are likely to remain unanswered, IMO.

Not that it matters, because Kelsey had almost certainly been dead for a full day and a half before KK even arrived in Colorado.

So a missing round may not be true to begin with, especially if there was a significant period of time in between discovery and the last time the weapon was handled by MG.

And even if a round was missing, it doesn’t change anything.

BBM:

That whole "missing round" thing is nothing but a red herring. It's a canard.

That "friend" of KK's sounds like a total ditz.

So, we're to believe that she forgot all about the fact that she had a gun stowed in her glove compartment before she loaned her car to KK, but she was conveniently able to recall exactly how many rounds were in the gun when she turned the car keys over to KK?

Nah. Nope.

I call BP on that one.

JMO.

 

[susiQ]

Questions that are likely to remain unanswered, IMO.

Not that it matters, because Kelsey had almost certainly been dead for a full day and a half before KK even arrived in Colorado.

So a missing round may not be true to begin with, especially if there was a significant period of time in between discovery and the last time the weapon was handled by MG.

And even if a round was missing, it doesn’t change anything.

I don't know. That gun still puzzles me. I agree that Kelsey was most certainly dead by the time KK arrived in WP, but why would MG (the other MG, not you ) report that info if she wasn't sure about it and thought it may have a bearing on the case? Didn't she say she never left a bullet in the chamber and when she checked it after she learned Krystal was involved in KB's death, there was one missing and one in the chamber? Maybe I'm misremembering and if so, don't hesitate to correct me

This may sound odd to some, but I could see that self centred egotistical monster taking that gun and putting a bullet through that tote in celebration of her "victory" over KB. She says she never looked in the tote, but who can prove she did or didn't? Certainly not PF and she knows it. She had 3 days before she gave her version of the events to LE, to think very carefully with what she could get away with in omitting information so she would be seen in a "better" light. Impossible as that sounds! I mean really, how stupid does she think LE is to tell them she left the evidence on purpose so they could find her. Give me a break! Regardless, LE will have checked MG's gun to see if it had been fired. It may not change anything if it was, but it would raise a few eyebrows I'm certain. MHO

I think we're still in for a few "revelations".

 

[Seattle1]

The state I live in, the jurors are chosen from the County that the case is going to be heard in. Does it work differently in Colorado? The reason I ask is because reading the MSM article somebody had just posted, it said some people had 2-1/2 drive or so from El Paso County to report to the courthouse today?

Thanks in advance for any answers.

That would be court employees from El Paso County.

The jurors summoned are from Teller County which includes Woodland Park.

 

[NWLady]

That would be court employees from El Paso County.

The jurors summoned are from Teller County which includes Woodland Park.

Thank you and everyone else for your answers! I appreciate it.

 

[Dave F.]

The state I live in, the jurors are chosen from the County that the case is going to be heard in. Does it work differently in Colorado? The reason I ask is because reading the MSM article somebody had just posted, it said some people had 2-1/2 drive or so from El Paso County to report to the courthouse today?

Thanks in advance for any answers.

Parts of Teller county are east of the mountains and south of Colorado Springs, meaning that a Teller county resident could have to drive through most of El Paso County (Colorado Springs), then to Woodland Park, Divide, and finally to Cripple Creek. On yesterday's slick roads, it very definitely could have taken 2 1/2 hours.
Likewise, folks from Denver were much smarter to drive south through Colorado Springs and then make the same loop[ back up to Cripple Creek. That is was AT LEAST 2 1/2 hours yesterday.
Pikes Peak is a beautiful mountain, but it does tend to get in the way, sometimes. Cripple Creek is on the direct opposite side of the mountain from Colorado Springs. IMO

 

[PommyMommy]

Hundreds of potential jurors will walk through a tiny courthouse built in 1905. Here’s what that looks like.
Handling all of these would-be jurors has required the Teller County Courthouse to call in reinforcements. Some of these volunteers had a relatively short drive from neighboring El Paso County, but others came all the way from Adams County — a roughly 2.5 hour drive through sometimes windy mountain roads in wintry conditions.

 

[Hatfield]

There are three other witnesses that I hope we get to hear from. The laywer and his wife in Idaho and the friend of theirs that was a mutual friend with KK. I think the friend may have worked for the laywer if I recall.

It will be interesting to hear what they may have to say under oath. Not sure if they will be called to the stand.

 

[Dave F.]

I believe it. How close does the road run alongside the Arkansas River? From Loveland to Estes Park, the highway is right next to the Big Thompson. No way to dispose of a body without being seen there.

So very unlike the Muddy Mo (Missouri River) where bodies have been dumped and often disappear forever.

JMO

The highway runs along the Arkansas River for a significant ways, but there are parts of it that are completely inaccessible. A body couldn't be dumped in those places, nor could anyone look for one. IMO

 

[Dave F.]

Hundreds of potential jurors will walk through a tiny courthouse built in 1905. Here’s what that looks like.
Handling all of these would-be jurors has required the Teller County Courthouse to call in reinforcements. Some of these volunteers had a relatively short drive from neighboring El Paso County, but others came all the way from Adams County — a roughly 2.5 hour drive through sometimes windy mountain roads in wintry conditions.

Adams county, Colorado is primarily northeast Denver. IMO

 

[Dave F.]

There are three other witnesses that I hope we get to hear from. The laywer and his wife in Idaho and the friend of theirs that was a mutual friend with KK. I think the friend may have worked for the laywer if I recall.

It will be interesting to hear what they may have to say under oath. Not sure if they will be called to the stand.

It would be extremely difficult, or impossible, to prove the solicitations without calling them to the stand. Hearsay testimony is permissible for the solicitation charges, provided the hearsay witness was not involved in the crime in any way. JMO

 

[BUF]

I just noticed your new avatar. Killing myself laughing Where do you find this stuff?

This is a good one, but I really liked Uncle Fester!