PF told kk he had to do something because his daughter was in “imminent danger”
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He never had any intention of killing her with the the first hit. For reasons we will never know. He hated her and the plan was to make her suffer as much as possible. I believe those were her last words. And i believe he hit her numerous times after that before she was dead. There are a 1000 painless ways he could have killed her. His plan was to inflict as much pain as possible
Wow. In the future.Patrick Frazee trial: 'Please stop,' Kelsey Berreth pleaded as she was beaten to death, says witness
“He just said he swung away, and that it was really hard," Lee said. Frazee added that using the bat wasn't humane. And that in the future, he'd stick to normal weapons … the old fashioned way.”
I just don't believe it possible for a victim to politely reply "please stop" when struck by a bat in the head.
I think that's another one of PF's liar liar pants on fire moments.
MOO
ETA: I don't want to think that KB ever knew what hit her.![]()
But KB's place was tiny. 700-something square feet. If the baby was awake, she heard it. God in Heaven, I pray she was napping and not crying for her mom, scared and confused.Thankfully, according to this MSM, the baby was in another room. I hope, and pray.
Patrick Frazee trial: 'Please stop,' Kelsey Berreth pleaded as she was beaten to death, says witness
I would need TWO gates. One at top and one at bottom. I think most people would use two for safety and convenience.No need for more than one gate in that small condo. One set of steps leading to one room upstairs.
JMO
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OMG STAAAAHP!!! LOLSniffle Sniffle. No simpathy from me.
Ah, Bob was just in Memphis & my daughter got the t-shirt:BBM:
Nah. Sounding the buzzer.
KK is no victim in this tragedy.
She's a grown-*** woman, not some impressionable teenager.
That she found herself so completely drawn to a remorseless, soulless, emotionless monster, even after he solicited her to poison a woman's coffee and beat her to death with a metal pipe, merely speaks to her own pathology.
She clearly found the illicit affair, sneaking around behind her husband's back, getting pregnant by another man, etc., all very titillating...as evidenced by her actually thinking that PF would be excited (!) to find out he'd she was pregnant by him while married to another man.
KK thrives on drama. That much is evident.
She probably fantasized about going on the Maury show, and having PF and her husband sitting on either side of her, waiting for that envelope to be opened.
For her, it would be just like the Oscar awards.
"He used her, she used him, neither one cared. They were getting their share."
With apologies to Bob Seger for mangling his beautiful lyrics, and using them in this grotesque tragedy.
JMO.
It must have fueled her jealousy of KB all the more.WHAT??????????
:O
NOV 6, 2019
Patrick Frazee trial: 'Please stop,' Kelsey Berreth pleaded as she was beaten to death, says witness
“Please stop.”
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“He just said he swung away, and that it was really hard," Lee said. Frazee added that using the bat wasn't humane. And that in the future, he'd stick to normal weapons … the old fashioned way.”
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Lee is expected back on the stand Thursday for cross examination by Frazee's public defenders.
this is what I heard of KK's testimony today*
Also I forgot a pen so this is all off the top of my head.
Okay so KK drives through the night (with a 20 min power nap somewhere along the way) and is instructed to pick up the keys @ PF's house. Believe he had them in something at the gate of the Franch.
Parks her car a little bit away from KB's condo and walks there. I believe she said she only came armed with 2 trash bags, a thing of bleach, a painting (hazmat) type suit, a box of gloves, rags, and shoe booties.
She said she walked in and knew it was bad. Says blood spatter everywhere.
Viehman says, what does blood spatter mean to you. She describes the scene, said it looked more like when you take a paint brush and fling the paint rather than like paint dripping. Blood taller than she could reach in some areas. Says living room floor was covered in blood. Bloody foot prints throughout.
Asks to describe footprints. Says not a child's footprints, not a small footprint, a big boot like footprint. Not cowboy boot as it had tread.
Asks how she started to clean. Believe she said PF told her where to find KB's cleaning supplies. Found an empty bottle and filled that will bleach. Also found windex which she didn't use initially but said used later (they directly asked about the windex, so seem it might be important, perhaps it's what left the streaks everywhere).
Said she spent most of her time cleaning the East(?) wall in the living room. Asked how she cleaned things. Said she used a rag until it was too dirty and would leave residue. At one point they asked how many rags she went through, she said a lot. Said she left with barely if any clean rags.
At some point she realized there was really just too big of mess to clean up. PF told her to wash things. (btw PF called her multiple times while she was cleaning). Believe she did use the washer to wash things but then gave up and started throwing things away. Talk about popping the exercise ball to trash it, stuffed animals, curtains, etc. Ended up with SIX bags of trash.
There was an initial list of things PF said to make sure about. Clean the candles, clean the cookie cutters, grab her purse from upstairs etc. There might have been more things, can't remember exactly.
I believe in one of the phone calls PF asked her to look for the tooth in the vent. Tooth wasn't found in vent, she found it behind a cedar chest.
Asked about baby gate. Tells them the baby gate had blood on it.
Viehman "did you clean it?" KK says no. Viehman, ''what did you do with it?" KK says she put it in the backroom.
Viehman presents said baby gate and asks if it's the same one. She says yes. She says how can you tell, says it's the same style of one with the same clips as the one in KB's house.
....I'll post more later. Want to watch Sam, as I want to hear about the first half of the days testimony.
KB may not have been lying on the floor while his clothes were being washed. IMO he had likely already put her in the tote.Imagine... stripping down, walking around naked...amongst the blood and brain matter, while he washed and dried his clothes ... with baby K there ... and her mommy beat to death laying on the floor. There are no words...he cannot be human. He simply cannot! MOO
But KB's place was tiny. 700-something square feet. If the baby was awake, she heard it. God in Heaven, I pray she was napping and not crying for her mom, scared and confused.
Patrick Frazee will rot in prison until he goes straight to Hell.
Once again, you've placed us at the scene, terrible as it is, GoJacks. You're the best!this is what I heard of KK's testimony today*
Also I forgot a pen so this is all off the top of my head.
Okay so KK drives through the night (with a 20 min power nap somewhere along the way) and is instructed to pick up the keys @ PF's house. Believe he had them in something at the gate of the Franch.
Parks her car a little bit away from KB's condo and walks there. I believe she said she only came armed with 2 trash bags, a thing of bleach, a painting (hazmat) type suit, a box of gloves, rags, and shoe booties.
She said she walked in and knew it was bad. Says blood spatter everywhere.
Viehman says, what does blood spatter mean to you. She describes the scene, said it looked more like when you take a paint brush and fling the paint rather than like paint dripping. Blood taller than she could reach in some areas. Says living room floor was covered in blood. Bloody foot prints throughout.
Asks to describe footprints. Says not a child's footprints, not a small footprint, a big boot like footprint. Not cowboy boot as it had tread.
Asks how she started to clean. Believe she said PF told her where to find KB's cleaning supplies. Found an empty bottle and filled that will bleach. Also found windex which she didn't use initially but said used later (they directly asked about the windex, so seem it might be important, perhaps it's what left the streaks everywhere).
Said she spent most of her time cleaning the East(?) wall in the living room. Asked how she cleaned things. Said she used a rag until it was too dirty and would leave residue. At one point they asked how many rags she went through, she said a lot. Said she left with barely if any clean rags.
At some point she realized there was really just too big of mess to clean up. PF told her to wash things. (btw PF called her multiple times while she was cleaning). Believe she did use the washer to wash things but then gave up and started throwing things away. Talk about popping the exercise ball to trash it, stuffed animals, curtains, etc. Ended up with SIX bags of trash.
There was an initial list of things PF said to make sure about. Clean the candles, clean the cookie cutters, grab her purse from upstairs etc. There might have been more things, can't remember exactly.
I believe in one of the phone calls PF asked her to look for the tooth in the vent. Tooth wasn't found in vent, she found it behind a cedar chest.
Asked about baby gate. Tells them the baby gate had blood on it.
Viehman "did you clean it?" KK says no. Viehman, ''what did you do with it?" KK says she put it in the backroom.
Viehman presents said baby gate and asks if it's the same one. She says yes. She says how can you tell, says it's the same style of one with the same clips as the one in KB's house.
....I'll post more later. Want to watch Sam, as I want to hear about the first half of the days testimony.
Once again, you've placed us at the scene, terrible as it is, GoJacks. You're the best!this is what I heard of KK's testimony today*
Also I forgot a pen so this is all off the top of my head.
Okay so KK drives through the night (with a 20 min power nap somewhere along the way) and is instructed to pick up the keys @ PF's house. Believe he had them in something at the gate of the Franch.
Parks her car a little bit away from KB's condo and walks there. I believe she said she only came armed with 2 trash bags, a thing of bleach, a painting (hazmat) type suit, a box of gloves, rags, and shoe booties.
She said she walked in and knew it was bad. Says blood spatter everywhere.
Viehman says, what does blood spatter mean to you. She describes the scene, said it looked more like when you take a paint brush and fling the paint rather than like paint dripping. Blood taller than she could reach in some areas. Says living room floor was covered in blood. Bloody foot prints throughout.
Asks to describe footprints. Says not a child's footprints, not a small footprint, a big boot like footprint. Not cowboy boot as it had tread.
Asks how she started to clean. Believe she said PF told her where to find KB's cleaning supplies. Found an empty bottle and filled that will bleach. Also found windex which she didn't use initially but said used later (they directly asked about the windex, so seem it might be important, perhaps it's what left the streaks everywhere).
Said she spent most of her time cleaning the East(?) wall in the living room. Asked how she cleaned things. Said she used a rag until it was too dirty and would leave residue. At one point they asked how many rags she went through, she said a lot. Said she left with barely if any clean rags.
At some point she realized there was really just too big of mess to clean up. PF told her to wash things. (btw PF called her multiple times while she was cleaning). Believe she did use the washer to wash things but then gave up and started throwing things away. Talk about popping the exercise ball to trash it, stuffed animals, curtains, etc. Ended up with SIX bags of trash.
There was an initial list of things PF said to make sure about. Clean the candles, clean the cookie cutters, grab her purse from upstairs etc. There might have been more things, can't remember exactly.
I believe in one of the phone calls PF asked her to look for the tooth in the vent. Tooth wasn't found in vent, she found it behind a cedar chest.
Asked about baby gate. Tells them the baby gate had blood on it.
Viehman "did you clean it?" KK says no. Viehman, ''what did you do with it?" KK says she put it in the backroom.
Viehman presents said baby gate and asks if it's the same one. She says yes. She says how can you tell, says it's the same style of one with the same clips as the one in KB's house.
....I'll post more later. Want to watch Sam, as I want to hear about the first half of the days testimony.
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