CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #60

[oviedo]

PF told kk he had to do something because his daughter was in “imminent danger”
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[crhedBngr]

He never had any intention of killing her with the the first hit. For reasons we will never know. He hated her and the plan was to make her suffer as much as possible. I believe those were her last words. And i believe he hit her numerous times after that before she was dead. There are a 1000 painless ways he could have killed her. His plan was to inflict as much pain as possible

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[AgeofAquaruis]

Patrick Frazee trial: 'Please stop,' Kelsey Berreth pleaded as she was beaten to death, says witness
“He just said he swung away, and that it was really hard," Lee said. Frazee added that using the bat wasn't humane. And that in the future, he'd stick to normal weapons … the old fashioned way.”

Wow. In the future.

 

[gitana1]

I just don't believe it possible for a victim to politely reply "please stop" when struck by a bat in the head.

I think that's another one of PF's liar liar pants on fire moments.

MOO

ETA: I don't want to think that KB ever knew what hit her.

Ugh I think it’s possible. We’ve heard of last words before like, “Why?” Or “Hey!”

Stunned. Knocked about. Sometimes they just utter something small and quiet as they’re dying.

 

[Sweetsbeach]

Thankfully, according to this MSM, the baby was in another room. I hope, and pray.

Patrick Frazee trial: 'Please stop,' Kelsey Berreth pleaded as she was beaten to death, says witness

But KB's place was tiny. 700-something square feet. If the baby was awake, she heard it. God in Heaven, I pray she was napping and not crying for her mom, scared and confused.

Patrick Frazee will rot in prison until he goes straight to Hell.

 

[oviedo]

Late sept kk and aunt travel to CO and kk wants to meet PF to give him a stuffed animal but he had wanted to meet with her alone - FB live is buffering for me - he’s now talking about putting ambien in the coffee to “take care of the problem”
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Adding date of sept 23 when the meeting happened - talks about play date and lost dog as ways I guess to meet KB and poison her
(Sorry it’s buffering)

 

[katydid23]

No need for more than one gate in that small condo. One set of steps leading to one room upstairs.

JMO

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/269-E-Lake-Ave-Woodland-Park-CO-80863/62719652_zpid/

I would need TWO gates. One at top and one at bottom. I think most people would use two for safety and convenience.

 

[skyedaze]

Sniffle Sniffle. No simpathy from me.

OMG STAAAAHP!!! LOL
sniff sniff....
crocodile sniffles

 

[MemPat]

BBM:

Nah. Sounding the buzzer.

KK is no victim in this tragedy.

She's a grown-*** woman, not some impressionable teenager.

That she found herself so completely drawn to a remorseless, soulless, emotionless monster, even after he solicited her to poison a woman's coffee and beat her to death with a metal pipe, merely speaks to her own pathology.

She clearly found the illicit affair, sneaking around behind her husband's back, getting pregnant by another man, etc., all very titillating...as evidenced by her actually thinking that PF would be excited (!) to find out he'd she was pregnant by him while married to another man.

KK thrives on drama. That much is evident.

She probably fantasized about going on the Maury show, and having PF and her husband sitting on either side of her, waiting for that envelope to be opened.
For her, it would be just like the Oscar awards.

"He used her, she used him, neither one cared. They were getting their share."
With apologies to Bob Seger for mangling his beautiful lyrics, and using them in this grotesque tragedy.

JMO.

Ah, Bob was just in Memphis & my daughter got the t-shirt:

"Wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then."

That's my thought for the day in light of Kelsey's final moments.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

WHAT??????????
:O

It must have fueled her jealousy of KB all the more.
MOO

 

[Ccging]

dbm

 

[tmar]

NOV 6, 2019
Patrick Frazee trial: 'Please stop,' Kelsey Berreth pleaded as she was beaten to death, says witness
“Please stop.”
...
“He just said he swung away, and that it was really hard," Lee said. Frazee added that using the bat wasn't humane. And that in the future, he'd stick to normal weapons … the old fashioned way.”
...
Lee is expected back on the stand Thursday for cross examination by Frazee's public defenders.

I deleted the bulk above, leaving the bolded paragraph.
This is a frightening statement.
PF in future murders, would use other old fashioned weapons.
Wouldn't this frighten KK?
Similar to a past girl friend, where PF states he knew 'places to hide bodies'.
Is this to frighten people?
MOO.

 

[GoJacks]

I'd like to point out, PF looked down the entire time. Think I saw him look up only once during this testimony.

So KK spends 4 hours or so cleaning up KB's place. Talks about cleaning blood off a picture of PF,KB, & Baby. Talks about how she covered the kitchen(?) window with a towel so no one could see in during this.

There's no mention of why there was a candle left on or why the broom was left on the bed btw. Trust me I wanted to raise my hand and ask, ha.

They ask her about the blood she supposedly left on purpose. Says she knew people were going to be looking for KB and she hoped this would give them a clue.

This is about all I remember of the clean up part. If I remember more I'll add it.

They ask her what she did next. She said she put all the trash outside walked to her car and drove up and threw all the trash in her car and drove off.

Viehman proceeds to ask what she does next.

Silence. long silence. Almost awkward long silence. (boy did I know where this was going)

You can tell she is VERY hesitant to talk about this.

She starts by saying she was very thirsty. She said I had water in my car but I finished it before I even drove off (we do know this is a lie, as she is seen drinking said water @ sonic)

More hesitation. Says she wanted to appear normal to PF and like she wasn't raddled so she went to Sonic. Said she chose Sonic because it was the closest thing to KB's place. Said she got a drink and got food for PF & baby.

After this she headed to the Franch.

So PF & KK are talking in code texts at this point. It was all horse related, so I think she sent him something about the horses looked good* and this was code for she was done.
*Btw, that is not a direct quote. It was something about horses and I don't remember what.

So KK meets PF @ the Conoco, said she got there first and pulled off to the side by the storage units? PF pulls up a bit later and picks her up. Not really sure why this took place, perhaps he didn't want KK's car @ the Franch

Said @ the Franch she stayed outside and PF was doing chores or farm stuff. Noticed he had a young helper at the Franch, so they didn't talk much. The helper was helping him clean up some clutter at the Franch I believe.

Believe he mentioned something about do you know how hard it was to eat thanksgiving dinner with your family while the mother of your child was sitting in a tote outside.

PF did ask her if she did a good job. I believe she said something like the best I could. PF said her life depended on it, so she better hope she did.

This is when the wood floors are brought up. I guess PF had called her while @ KB's house and asked if there was dents or marks in the wood floor. KK said there wasn't. Apparently when she got to Franch he again asked her about marks in the wood floor. She told him she didn't see any marks.

This was not elaborated any further. I assume it's important.

She was there for about 3 hours at this point. She told PF she wanted to leave, PF told her they needed to go to Nash Ranch so she could take the tote back. She said no way, I have expired tags if I get pulled over you realize this will come back directly to you.

She stated a few times that she kept telling PF she just wanted to leave. It was starting to snow out and most of her family believed her to be at a birthday party and that she needed to get back.

PF told her "they" needed to finish what they started. So KK heads to Nash Ranch with him. Says the ride is at least 45 mins long. Viehman asks what they talk about. KK says PF told her about the estate issues with his family. Some other random stuff. Viehman asks if they talk about what just took place at all. KK says not a lot about it. Viehman says well what did he say about it.

I think this is when she says something like, PF told her it was inhumane the way he did it. He said in the future he would do it differently. (lovely)

 

[MemPat]

this is what I heard of KK's testimony today*
Also I forgot a pen so this is all off the top of my head.

Okay so KK drives through the night (with a 20 min power nap somewhere along the way) and is instructed to pick up the keys @ PF's house. Believe he had them in something at the gate of the Franch.

Parks her car a little bit away from KB's condo and walks there. I believe she said she only came armed with 2 trash bags, a thing of bleach, a painting (hazmat) type suit, a box of gloves, rags, and shoe booties.

She said she walked in and knew it was bad. Says blood spatter everywhere.
Viehman says, what does blood spatter mean to you. She describes the scene, said it looked more like when you take a paint brush and fling the paint rather than like paint dripping. Blood taller than she could reach in some areas. Says living room floor was covered in blood. Bloody foot prints throughout.

Asks to describe footprints. Says not a child's footprints, not a small footprint, a big boot like footprint. Not cowboy boot as it had tread.

Asks how she started to clean. Believe she said PF told her where to find KB's cleaning supplies. Found an empty bottle and filled that will bleach. Also found windex which she didn't use initially but said used later (they directly asked about the windex, so seem it might be important, perhaps it's what left the streaks everywhere).

Said she spent most of her time cleaning the East(?) wall in the living room. Asked how she cleaned things. Said she used a rag until it was too dirty and would leave residue. At one point they asked how many rags she went through, she said a lot. Said she left with barely if any clean rags.

At some point she realized there was really just too big of mess to clean up. PF told her to wash things. (btw PF called her multiple times while she was cleaning). Believe she did use the washer to wash things but then gave up and started throwing things away. Talk about popping the exercise ball to trash it, stuffed animals, curtains, etc. Ended up with SIX bags of trash.

There was an initial list of things PF said to make sure about. Clean the candles, clean the cookie cutters, grab her purse from upstairs etc. There might have been more things, can't remember exactly.

I believe in one of the phone calls PF asked her to look for the tooth in the vent. Tooth wasn't found in vent, she found it behind a cedar chest.

Asked about baby gate. Tells them the baby gate had blood on it.
Viehman "did you clean it?" KK says no. Viehman, ''what did you do with it?" KK says she put it in the backroom.

Viehman presents said baby gate and asks if it's the same one. She says yes. She says how can you tell, says it's the same style of one with the same clips as the one in KB's house.

....I'll post more later. Want to watch Sam, as I want to hear about the first half of the days testimony.

Can we sing a goodbye song to the notion that there was only blood in the bathroom......PLEASE?
Altogether now........!

 

[oviedo]

Kk reaches out to a friend and asks if she’s ever been in a situation where the child is being abused by the mother and then have the friend kill the mother
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Sam Kraemer TV
Now discussing the meeting where PF grabs a pipe from his flat bed

 

[in search of]

Imagine... stripping down, walking around naked...amongst the blood and brain matter, while he washed and dried his clothes ... with baby K there ... and her mommy beat to death laying on the floor. There are no words...he cannot be human. He simply cannot! MOO

KB may not have been lying on the floor while his clothes were being washed. IMO he had likely already put her in the tote.

 

[crhedBngr]

But KB's place was tiny. 700-something square feet. If the baby was awake, she heard it. God in Heaven, I pray she was napping and not crying for her mom, scared and confused.

Patrick Frazee will rot in prison until he goes straight to Hell.

Yes. I agree.

I'm not sure how old Baby K is, but who knows what kids remember. Hopefully, she heard as little as possible.

JMVHO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

SF found the pipe KK left at the end of trail to the ranch after she failed on her second attempt to kill Kelsey.

Per Sam Kramer

 

[oviedo]

October 16 she sleeps at Conoco and then leaves the pipe at the gate and his mom asks why a pipe was at the gate (answer skipped must be because I’m going back and forth)
The FB live 10 EST
Sam Kraemer TV

 

[MemPat]

this is what I heard of KK's testimony today*
Also I forgot a pen so this is all off the top of my head.

Okay so KK drives through the night (with a 20 min power nap somewhere along the way) and is instructed to pick up the keys @ PF's house. Believe he had them in something at the gate of the Franch.

Parks her car a little bit away from KB's condo and walks there. I believe she said she only came armed with 2 trash bags, a thing of bleach, a painting (hazmat) type suit, a box of gloves, rags, and shoe booties.

She said she walked in and knew it was bad. Says blood spatter everywhere.
Viehman says, what does blood spatter mean to you. She describes the scene, said it looked more like when you take a paint brush and fling the paint rather than like paint dripping. Blood taller than she could reach in some areas. Says living room floor was covered in blood. Bloody foot prints throughout.

Asks to describe footprints. Says not a child's footprints, not a small footprint, a big boot like footprint. Not cowboy boot as it had tread.

Asks how she started to clean. Believe she said PF told her where to find KB's cleaning supplies. Found an empty bottle and filled that will bleach. Also found windex which she didn't use initially but said used later (they directly asked about the windex, so seem it might be important, perhaps it's what left the streaks everywhere).

Said she spent most of her time cleaning the East(?) wall in the living room. Asked how she cleaned things. Said she used a rag until it was too dirty and would leave residue. At one point they asked how many rags she went through, she said a lot. Said she left with barely if any clean rags.

At some point she realized there was really just too big of mess to clean up. PF told her to wash things. (btw PF called her multiple times while she was cleaning). Believe she did use the washer to wash things but then gave up and started throwing things away. Talk about popping the exercise ball to trash it, stuffed animals, curtains, etc. Ended up with SIX bags of trash.

There was an initial list of things PF said to make sure about. Clean the candles, clean the cookie cutters, grab her purse from upstairs etc. There might have been more things, can't remember exactly.

I believe in one of the phone calls PF asked her to look for the tooth in the vent. Tooth wasn't found in vent, she found it behind a cedar chest.

Asked about baby gate. Tells them the baby gate had blood on it.
Viehman "did you clean it?" KK says no. Viehman, ''what did you do with it?" KK says she put it in the backroom.

Viehman presents said baby gate and asks if it's the same one. She says yes. She says how can you tell, says it's the same style of one with the same clips as the one in KB's house.

....I'll post more later. Want to watch Sam, as I want to hear about the first half of the days testimony.

Once again, you've placed us at the scene, terrible as it is, GoJacks. You're the best!

This makes it all the more astounding that KK stayed there and cleaned after seeing the horror.

 

[MemPat]

this is what I heard of KK's testimony today*
Also I forgot a pen so this is all off the top of my head.

Okay so KK drives through the night (with a 20 min power nap somewhere along the way) and is instructed to pick up the keys @ PF's house. Believe he had them in something at the gate of the Franch.

Parks her car a little bit away from KB's condo and walks there. I believe she said she only came armed with 2 trash bags, a thing of bleach, a painting (hazmat) type suit, a box of gloves, rags, and shoe booties.

She said she walked in and knew it was bad. Says blood spatter everywhere.
Viehman says, what does blood spatter mean to you. She describes the scene, said it looked more like when you take a paint brush and fling the paint rather than like paint dripping. Blood taller than she could reach in some areas. Says living room floor was covered in blood. Bloody foot prints throughout.

Asks to describe footprints. Says not a child's footprints, not a small footprint, a big boot like footprint. Not cowboy boot as it had tread.

Asks how she started to clean. Believe she said PF told her where to find KB's cleaning supplies. Found an empty bottle and filled that will bleach. Also found windex which she didn't use initially but said used later (they directly asked about the windex, so seem it might be important, perhaps it's what left the streaks everywhere).

Said she spent most of her time cleaning the East(?) wall in the living room. Asked how she cleaned things. Said she used a rag until it was too dirty and would leave residue. At one point they asked how many rags she went through, she said a lot. Said she left with barely if any clean rags.

At some point she realized there was really just too big of mess to clean up. PF told her to wash things. (btw PF called her multiple times while she was cleaning). Believe she did use the washer to wash things but then gave up and started throwing things away. Talk about popping the exercise ball to trash it, stuffed animals, curtains, etc. Ended up with SIX bags of trash.

There was an initial list of things PF said to make sure about. Clean the candles, clean the cookie cutters, grab her purse from upstairs etc. There might have been more things, can't remember exactly.

I believe in one of the phone calls PF asked her to look for the tooth in the vent. Tooth wasn't found in vent, she found it behind a cedar chest.

Asked about baby gate. Tells them the baby gate had blood on it.
Viehman "did you clean it?" KK says no. Viehman, ''what did you do with it?" KK says she put it in the backroom.

Viehman presents said baby gate and asks if it's the same one. She says yes. She says how can you tell, says it's the same style of one with the same clips as the one in KB's house.

....I'll post more later. Want to watch Sam, as I want to hear about the first half of the days testimony.

Once again, you've placed us at the scene, terrible as it is, GoJacks. You're the best!

This makes it all the more astounding that KK stayed there and cleaned after seeing the horror.