CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #61

[SuziQ]

And to think, she left the broom she flew in on, on Kelsey's bed!

We have a winner!

Post of the day!

 

[lindaromas]

But you don't realize the initial explosion... it would be like a bomb going off. A pool of gas and gas-soaked logs would more than do the trick.

I am sure there are videos of gas related explosions... I will look around.

All big fires give off heavy smoke (black and white).

I'm thinking he might have used kerosene. Kerosene doesn't explode but will produce a huge fire if a lot is used.

 

[Seattle1]

Good recap of Day 5 morning session at link below:

Posted: 1:15 PM, Nov 07, 2019

Updated: 12:31 PM, Nov 07, 2019
By: Stephanie Butzer and Blair Miller | Denver7 and Sam Kraemer | KOAA5

Frazee trial: Kenney says Berreth's daughter present for murder

 

[Kapua]

I think he had it planned then too. I've wondered, did he found out somehow that the neighbor, with her condo right there facing KB's was going to be out of town? MOO.

I'd bet the Franch on it. MOO

 

[lindaromas]

But you don't realize the initial explosion... it would be like a bomb going off. A pool of gas and gas-soaked logs would more than do the trick.

I am sure there are videos of gas related explosions... I will look around.

All big fires give off heavy smoke (black and white).

I'm thinking he might have used kerosene. Kerosene doesn't explode but will produce a huge fire if a lot is used.

 

[sun16]

Don’t get me wrong, I still think PF is going to prison for the remainder of his life. But, you know one path the defense will go down is ... “Did you actually see the body in the tote?” “No.” “ Did you smell an awful stench like a burning body?” “No., just gas.“ Mama Frazee did you see or smell anything?” Silence. No body. No smell. How can you be sure? Where is she? Did PF tell KK practically everything except where he dumped the remains? And this is why I go back and forth on why KK thought the body was in the tote and if it was just items and the body was already somewhere else (hence no smell). How could there have been NO flesh burning smell? I doubt KK is lying about no smell, but she didn’t see a body, and I can’t get past this no smell thing. Is no smell POSSIBLE? Ugh.

 

[Simply Southern]

So SF Woukd have to come out to see WTH was going on.
MOO

I'm sure the ground shook. Our fire was not as intense and it actually lifted off the ground and back down. You know that song....the earth move under my feet. Yup..

You can only imagine our flabbergasted expressions.

Jmo

 

[dgfred]

What other 'items' did he take with him... besides a bat? If just the bat maybe he had it 'just in case' the opportunity arrived. Sure was a weird plan.

 

[MassGuy]

Respectfully, ... and all my own opinion.

KK was a mandated reporter, RN. This is standard yearly training for all medical personnel. We are taught to continue to make repeated reporting for Child Abuse. She knew she could call anonymously to the child abuse hotline and anonymously to LE. She knew DCPS had to investigate. She knew PF had photos of burns. She knew what needed to be documented to prove a claim.

If not for mandated reporting training and speaking with her lawyer friends, I might just might buy this story.

She wanted KB completely out of the picture, never to be see or heard from again. She was jealous, revengeful and vindictive. She wanted to eliminated any competition. KK was competitive, we know from her rodeo days.

PF was a good father to his child, his friends bragged about it. He took her everywhere, had the love she craved.

She killed her unborn child to please PF and she helped kill KB.

But it plays for a nice story to the jury and provides a good alibi to improve her integrity to the jury.

JMHO...

PF and KB didn’t live together, and Kelsey wasn’t a true threat to her.

Saying that she was jealous and vindictive, isn’t actually supported by anything.

What is supported, is that she told multiple people about the solicitation attempts, and about the alleged abuse.

If she wanted Kelsey out of the way so badly, those three murder attempts wouldn’t have been “attempts.”

She also wouldn’t have opened her mouth about the things she did.

That’s why I have a major problem with this narrative that she wanted Kelsey murdered as bad as he did. There’s no evidence that she put the idea in his head, and tons of evidence that it occurred the other way.

I’m just looking at this logically.

 

[lindaromas]

If KK had admitted that she spiked that coffee drink that she gave to KB, would she be charged with attempted murder? Would that have changed her plea deal? We will never know the truth of the coffee drink because KB didn't drink it. Just a thought.

Maybe the co-workers statement might have the answer?

 

[Kapua]

Don’t get me wrong, I still think PF is going to prison for the remainder of his life. But, you know one path the defense will go down is ... “Did you actually see the body in the tote?” “No.” “ Did you smell an awful stench like a burning body?” “No., just gas.“ Mama Frazee did you see or smell anything?” Silence. No body. No smell. How can you be sure? Where is she? Did PF tell KK practically everything except where he dumped the remains? Ugh.

But then there's the tooth. That will take the prosecution's story from beginning to end. MOO

 

[Love Never Fails]

Don’t get me wrong, I still think PF is going to prison for the remainder of his life. But, you know one path the defense will go down is ... “Did you actually see the body in the tote?” “No.” “ Did you smell an awful stench like a burning body?” “No., just gas.“ Mama Frazee did you see or smell anything?” Silence. No body. No smell. How can you be sure? Where is she? Did PF tell KK practically everything except where he dumped the remains? And this is why I go back and forth on why KK thought the body was in the tote and if it was just items and the body was already somewhere else (hence no smell). How could there have been NO flesh burning smell? Ugh.

Also a neighbor across the street never saw a fire. Imagine that. Fire went as high as trees but neighbor never saw it.

 

[dgfred]

I'm sure the ground shook. Our fire was not as intense and it actually lifted off the ground and back down. You know that song....the earth move under my feet. Yup..

You can only imagine our flabbergasted expressions.

Jmo

Mine too as the neighbor heard the explosion and asked if I needed the fire dept. Haha

I said no... ran upstairs in my house and poured water over my arm and then squirted lotion all over it. Nothing would stop the pain... my arm was hotter than 40 hells.

 

[Simply Southern]

740 KVOR on Twitter
Day 5 of the Patrick Frazee trial. Kenney described the burn pit used to get rid of evidence after Frazee allegedly beat his fiance, Kelsey Berreth, to death. She says Shiela Frazee--Patrick's mother came outside and looked at the fire.
2:41 PM - 7 Nov 2019

Well, I'll be dang... the door is open... here comes SF.

 

[Spartygirl]

With Court being closed on Monday, NOV 11th, I wonder if they are going to try to wrap up KK testimony by EOD tomorrow ???

 

[MassGuy]

Also a neighbor across the street never saw a fire. Imagine that. Fire went as high as trees but neighbor never saw it.

Ma F apparently did, and she intended to plead the Fifth.

Obviously the physical evidence corroborates this, as we already know. We should hear more specifics in the coming days, when the prosecution gets around to the physical evidence.

We also know that PF and KK are caught on camera buying the gas.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/co-kelsey-berreth-29-woodland-park-teller-county-22-nov-2018-arrest-58.482570/page-62#post-15540087

 

[dgfred]

Well if they were seen buying gas then maybe they did use gas. Stupid brave.

 

[Lhughessk]

But then there's the tooth. That will take the prosecution's story from beginning to end. MOO

The tooth, the whole tooth, and nothing but the tooth.

 

[MassGuy]

Well if they were seen buying gas then maybe they did use gas. Stupid brave.

I’d say “stupid, stupid.”

 

[303gmf]

Also a neighbor across the street never saw a fire. Imagine that. Fire went as high as trees but neighbor never saw it.


A 35 acre ranch on a dirt road in the foothills doesn’t really have an across the street neighbor