CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #62

[Artis]

Problem is there is so often at least one juror who will think this way. That's all it takes. They may hear so much of her involvement it's not such a big stretch to say she was the actual murderer. Every time we get a horrific murder being discussed here you can guarantee there will be at least one devil's advocate. They basically want the killer to get away with it.
Wouldn't it be ironic if he were found not guilty because of this perverse thinking ? Then he and she both walk...

I believe the prosecution has been very methodical in corroborating KK's version of events (as they should, that's their job) and the evidence has backed it up. Without being able to see the trial, it's difficult to tell if, while trying to present KK as a credible witness, they're also presenting her as a quasi sympathetic victim of PF. I hope not. I hope they convey that she was an enthusiastic participant and is a complete dirt bag but that PF is the bigger dirt bag because HE KILLED KELSEY. The jury has to know it's right to despise KK (and this maximum leniency plea deal, if they feel that way) while keeping their eye on the fact PF is the killer. I'm not in the Dan May fan club and I hate this deal but it doesn't cloud my judgment on the monster that PF is. I hope this damn deal doesn't screw things up because, I agree, it only takes one juror to have a bug up their about it, be mad that KK walks and refuses to convict him.

 

[Artis]

Fortunately, I’m convinced that the absolute worst case scenario is a hung jury.

With how strong the case is, and based in part on the questions the jury asked of KK (they were focused on the things that mattered), I think they’ll end up nailing his to the wall.

I would sure as hell hope so. In the event of a hung jury, would KK's plea deal still stand for a re-trial?

 

[yawningreyhound]

BBM

I haven't given up thinking that one or more of the above-bolded took a bag or two of the leftovers from the burn and discarded them.

Patrick would have no problem (obviously) asking another dearly beloved to incriminate him or herself to save him.

I'm convinced we're going to hear more insanity from Patrick on the jail phone to one of these "dearly beloveds".
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Also, the more I think of Patrick using Moore's phone to make that "all about the horses" call to KK, the more I believe he was asking her to come back and pick up something for disposal.

Remember that the horses thing was their code.

What could he have hidden for her retrieval?

Maybe that was PF's way of telling her "they're onto me. Took my phone"

 

[MassGuy]

I would sure as hell hope so. In the event of a hung jury, would KK's plea deal still stand for a re-trial?

Yes. Her deal wouldn’t be affected. She agreed to cooperate and testify, and the number of trials wouldn’t have any impact on it.

 

[justpeachy22]

I want more info on the father’s death in aug 2018; I’m sure this has been talked about on ws; I have been away from the forum for a long while.

 

[MassGuy]

I want more info on the father’s death in aug 2018; I’m sure this has been talked about on ws; I have been away from the forum for a long while.

Ha! You and everyone else. We have next to no details regarding him. Not even an obituary, as far as I’m aware.

 

[acutename]

I don't know much about the probate fight but I hope it all gets divided equally and Baby K gets PF's share.

would be mind boggling if $ was left to grandchildren, but not to the children.... some people do that for various reasons

 

[PommyMommy]

didn't they take the washer too? Or am I imagining that?

I don't think so. IIRC, they swabbed it. MOO

 

[MemPat]

Yeah, cause we all get lost on our way to EPSTIEN ourselves.



You left out the part about pf "telling JM Kelsey could go out to PIKE NATIONAL FORREST and commit suicide"

I'm sure he was just making another casual reference to her death. Again.

And this tsunami of evidence against Patrick is just doggone rotten luck?

Burglars broke in after Kelsey ran into the forest with her JimmyJon and bathed the place in blood identical to hers? Wow.

Law enforcement with time on their hands said, "Let's ruin that cowboy's life. Ship Kelsey's phone to Idaho and ping it."

Boy can't get a break. ("Man, chat a bit about killing and hiding bodies and people get all weird....")

 

[MemPat]

Oh. So Kelsey had multiple bloody noses and bled all over him on each occasion.

Sounds totally believable, and not an excuse to explain away DNA evidence on his clothing.

Absolutely buy it.

With that in mind, anyone want to buy a bridge?

I wanna put my bridge in my mamma name.

 

[MemPat]

would be mind boggling if $ was left to grandchildren, but not to the children.... some people do that for various reasons

I've got a strong feeling that's part of the heart of this.

ETA: Sometimes parents skip the dumber-than-a brick-son/daughter and leave everything to his/her grandchildren for whom there is hope. (The problem one is often the youngest.)

Next week's coming and we'll know!

 

[moonlessnight]

to continue with the point that abusers project what they think and do onto others, when an abuser/narc/psychopath says the woman probably has or might kill herself, you know they are planning to kill them or already have killed them. once an abuser says "suicide" relating to their SO, it's best to run far and fast if you are the SO.

Non-specific that she could commit suicide?
That’s specific if you ask me. People don’t talk like that.
Oh wait a minute. I bet psychopaths do.

 

[MemPat]

I don't think so. IIRC, they swabbed it. MOO

A question comes up and you answer it in a heartbeat, Pommy! You are our very own Google and I feel for threads that try to exist without you!
Thank you!

 

[MemPat]

sbbmff
don't think anybody could or would read that statement as indicating a confession to his friend dave?

the focus was here is more of JM'S testimony we haven't heard.

moo

Yes, the confession was clear enough to him that JM grieved on the stand realizing a person close to him could do such a deed.

He didn't seem to doubt that Patrick killed Kelsey and that he premeditated the deed.

 

[skyedaze]

Yes, the confession was clear enough to him that JM grieved on the stand realizing a person close to him could do such a deed.

He didn't seem to doubt that Patrick killed Kelsey and that he premeditated the deed.

well of course...cuz PF told him multiple times beforehand. Just took JM a while to catch a snap and see the light bulb come on.

 

[acutename]

BBM:

I don't think that's a safe assumption to make.

She's already looking at the possibility of "leaving her kids" for 3 years due to her "giddy" feelings for Babe Ruthless.

To be quite frank, I don't think her kids factor much into her decision-making.

It makes me extremely sad for her kids.

JMO.

she may not have custody or visitation at some point

 

[Simply Southern]

Ha! You and everyone else. We have next to no details regarding him. Not even an obituary, as far as I’m aware.

Anyway to look up death certificate online?

 

[Simply Southern]

she may not have custody or visitation at some point

MOO.. visitation maybe supervised.

 

[MemPat]

well of course...cuz PF told him multiple times beforehand. Just took JM a while to catch a snap and see the light bulb come on.

I agree that there's a trend toward being a tiny bit slow out there but I don't think JM doubts now that PF confessed.

 

[MemPat]

well of course...cuz PF told him multiple times beforehand. Just took JM a while to catch a snap and see the light bulb come on.

Oh, you had to say "catch a snap" and remind me that my team lost today!
Roll Tide!