CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #64

[Megnut]

This guy is not the brightest star in the universe. As far as the life insurance goes, I'm rather surprised PF didn't show up at her workplace the day after Thanksgiving, expecting to collect his cash. "But, Sir, how do you know she's deceased?" "Well, exactly." Scholar Frazee, no kidding.

Secretly I'm kind of hoping he'll testify.

"There was no blood on my clothes. Because I undressed first, for the candle game."

"I couldn't afford her or the baby. And I didn't want to be tied down to just one woman. Plus I wanted her life insurance money, but you can't convict me! I had no motive!"

"I'm not a stalker! I have friends. Who stalk for me."

"Yes, I put the tote on the haystack, but I specifically told KK to "take care of the horses". She was SUPPOSED to make sure those bales got eaten. SHE should go to prison, not me!"

I don't mean to make light of evil. It's just all so heavy.

What's really lung-crushing about this case is that, even with court justice, there can be no REAL justice. A beautiful life is gone, and her family will bear that. Daily. A little girl has to grow up with the unfair burden of being her mother's placeholder in the world. She will be adored but there will always be that sadness, in her heart, in her grandparents' hearts, in the faces of people who know her story. These miserable details about how KB died, and how she was buried/burned. There's no edge to grief like that.

From the sounds of it, KB was a kind, gentle, good soul. Well-respected, hard-working. Esteemed by those around her. I hope that, in the midst of this nightmare, her family can find some comfort moving forward.

I think we ALL hope that, going forward, PF feels NOTHING BUT discomfort. For a hundred lifetimes.

My thoughts only.

 

[Safeguard]

^^sbm

And mineral deficiency contributes to fatigue-- which she sought treatment for.

Hmmm. I never heard of a inpatient program for mineral deficiencies.
Eta: Just saw a member posted the name of the clinic. Thanks MG!

 

[makayla]

All too well do I remember all those sidebar discussions.

I honestly think they spent about 1/4 or 1/3 of the time in a sidebar in front of the judge instead of arguing the case to the jury. Mostly the defense fault from what I remember. And the judge's fault for allowing all the sidebars.

When the defense would ask the judge if they could approach, I kept yelling at my screen "Just say No!!!"

Me too!!!!! I will never forget that craziness, along with my frustration. I couldn’t attend because of work, even though it was local, but I recorded every second so I wouldn’t miss anything. I was originally disappointed PF’s trial wasn’t televised, but now I’ve become accustomed to following along with all the reporters’ notes and Sam’s nightly FB videos. I really think Judge Sells has been very wise the way he’s handled this case, and it sounds like it’s gone very smoothly unlike the circus of the JA trial.

 

[Kapua]

I agree that was my first red flag ! In nearly every picture he is just more or less dangling her .

My first red flags were 1) that he didn't report KB missing for 10 days; 2) his complete lack of concern for her well-being. MOO

 

[BUF]

Jennifer Meckles did her lunch update. As far as Kelsey's & baby K's health insurance, since she was going PT, it wouldn't be covered, but they were going to cover until the end of the year. About that life insurance, Kelsey hadn't completed paperwork for new policy at the new year.

9NEWS (KUSA)

 

[MemPat]

This guy is not the brightest star in the universe. As far as the life insurance goes, I'm rather surprised PF didn't show up at her workplace the day after Thanksgiving, expecting to collect his cash. "But, Sir, how do you know she's deceased?" "Well, exactly." Scholar Frazee, no kidding.

Secretly I'm kind of hoping he'll testify.

"There was no blood on my clothes. Because I undressed first, for the candle game."

"I couldn't afford her or the baby. And I didn't want to be tied down to just one woman. Plus I wanted her life insurance money, but you can't convict me! I had no motive!"

"I'm not a stalker! I have friends. Who stalk for me."

"Yes, I put the tote on the haystack, but I specifically told KK to "take care of the horses". She was SUPPOSED to make sure those bales got eaten. SHE should go to prison, not me!"

I don't mean to make light of evil. It's just all so heavy.

What's really lung-crushing about this case is that, even with court justice, there can be no REAL justice. A beautiful life is gone, and her family will bear that. Daily. A little girl has to grow up with the unfair burden of being her mother's placeholder in the world. She will be adored but there will always be that sadness, in her heart, in her grandparents' hearts, in the faces of people who know her story. These miserable details about how KB died, and how she was buried/burned. There's no edge to grief like that.

From the sounds of it, KB was a kind, gentle, good soul. Well-respected, hard-working. Esteemed by those around her. I hope that, in the midst of this nightmare, her family can find some comfort moving forward.

I think we ALL hope that, going forward, PF feels NOTHING BUT discomfort. For a hundred lifetimes.

My thoughts only.

Excellent post!
Thank you for the humor but also the poignancy in your words.

 

[Area52]

Hmmm. I never heard of a inpatient program for mineral deficiencies.
Is the name of the program or facility a secret?

I believe that Mass Guy posted it a few pages back.

 

[Hatch]

My first red flags were that 1) he didn't report KB missing for 10 days; 2) his complete lack of concern for her well-being. MOO

PF never reported her missing , CB did, your right the Mother reporting her missing was the first flag raising.

 

[SandyQLS]

Sorry I do not.

Somebody interviewed SF, EF, and PF from child services followed by testimony that there were sharp corners, fire stove in center of the room, and environment described as "unsafe for children."

I can't believe this testimony and/or opinion by a photographer would be allowed in court without an objection by the defense if the person was not qualified to testify about such things.

MOO

ETA: add link

Friend testifies Frazee said, ‘I figured out a way to kill her’

She [FBI Special Agent Stephanie Benitiz] said that there were signs that a child lived there, but few toys at the home. She also testified that the home did not appear safe for a toddler, as there were sharp edges, a hot burning stove in the center of the house with no child gates around it and chemicals around the house.

Thx. The objection/sustained is reported by Sam Kraemer TV in his FB video for that date Friday Nov 6, where due to his personal absence from court that day, he was reading notes written by another reporter. IMO SamK is very objective, never fans the inflammatory, sticks to the facts and proceedings.

Not sure of time in video, but report about witness Ms Benitez might be 1/2 to 3/4 through the video "Quick Day 6 Lookback" which is in chronological order of witnesses that day

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[Hair of the Dog]

*Dixie buys everyone on the thread a virtual plane ticket to Cripple Creek to hear SF on the stand, and places their first bet down on the gambling tables of win/loss at the casino in town*

Truth be told, I would be happy to just chat her up in the lobby!

 

[gitana1]

I agree, but that would be an absolute “slam-dunk” IMO

My guess is they will probably conclude that it could not be excluded as belonging to her

Do you have a link to CPS deeming the Frazee ranchette "unsafe for children"?

All I have in my notes is Stephanie Benitez, an FBI-Denver photographer, who was there on Dec 14-15 giving her personal opinion "unsafe for children" which was vociferously objected to by the Defense and sustained by the Judge. (Sam Kraemer) IMOO Mz Benitez was attempting to testify outside of her limited FBI specialty, leading to motions.

Thx if you know.

What the agent tried to testify to on the stand was likely part of what helped CPS make the determination to give custody to grandparents out of state rather than the grandparent right in the state who had been close with the child since birth and cared for her or lived with her regularly.

CPS assesses the home environment when deciding where a child should go. Anything like exposed fire rings or unfenced pools is problematic.

I go to my client’s homes and look for such things if there’s going to be a home inspection.

Based on what she described it’s very likely that CPS deemed the franch unsuitable for the toddler.

 

[Lhughessk]

Hmmm. I never heard of a inpatient program for mineral deficiencies.
Eta: Just saw MM posted the name of the clinic. Hmmm.

No it’s not.

Sam Kraemer on Twitter

 

[BUF]

Carol McKinley

@CarolAMcKinley
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1h

back from lunch only to be kicked out of courtroom for a 15-20 minute hearing. the only people who can be inside are : Counsel, investigators, court personnel, Mr Berreth. #patrickfrazee #kelseyberreth #krystalLee
@abc

 

[gitana1]

Hmmm. I never heard of a inpatient program for mineral deficiencies.
Eta: Just saw a member posted the name of the clinic. Thanks MG!

It’s likely just what she said was the reason when it was probably anxiety and depression. Vitamin D deficiency and B-12 can cause that however. And if she was flying and not spending enough time in the sun it’s possible.

She may have had some post-partum issues as well plus the stress of trying to make a family with a monster.

 

[MassGuy]

My guess is they will probably conclude that it could not be excluded as belonging to her



What the agent tried to testify to on the stand at the prelim was likely part of what helped CPS make the determination to give custody to grandparents out of state rather than the grandparent right in the state who had been close with the child since birth and cared for her or lived with her regularly.

CPS assesses the home environment when deciding where a child should go. Anything like exposed fire rings or unfenced pools is problematic.

I go to my client’s homes and look for such things if there’s going to be a home inspection.

Based on what she described it’s very likely that CPS deemed the franch unsuitable for the toddler.

What? You think sharp edges, chemicals around the house, and a stove sitting in the middle of the house without any baby gate, is somehow “unsuitable for a toddler?”

Yeah, me too.

 

[mustloveco]

This guy is not the brightest star in the universe. As far as the life insurance goes, I'm rather surprised PF didn't show up at her workplace the day after Thanksgiving, expecting to collect his cash. "But, Sir, how do you know she's deceased?" "Well, exactly." Scholar Frazee, no kidding.

Secretly I'm kind of hoping he'll testify.

"There was no blood on my clothes. Because I undressed first, for the candle game."

"I couldn't afford her or the baby. And I didn't want to be tied down to just one woman. Plus I wanted her life insurance money, but you can't convict me! I had no motive!"

"I'm not a stalker! I have friends. Who stalk for me."

"Yes, I put the tote on the haystack, but I specifically told KK to "take care of the horses". She was SUPPOSED to make sure those bales got eaten. SHE should go to prison, not me!"

I don't mean to make light of evil. It's just all so heavy.

What's really lung-crushing about this case is that, even with court justice, there can be no REAL justice. A beautiful life is gone, and her family will bear that. Daily. A little girl has to grow up with the unfair burden of being her mother's placeholder in the world. She will be adored but there will always be that sadness, in her heart, in her grandparents' hearts, in the faces of people who know her story. These miserable details about how KB died, and how she was buried/burned. There's no edge to grief like that.

From the sounds of it, KB was a kind, gentle, good soul. Well-respected, hard-working. Esteemed by those around her. I hope that, in the midst of this nightmare, her family can find some comfort moving forward.

I think we ALL hope that, going forward, PF feels NOTHING BUT discomfort. For a hundred lifetimes.

My thoughts only.

Don’t forget: “no body, no crime” . Sheesh. At this point I’m surprised we haven’t heard him say, “if the glove does not fit, you must acquit!”

 

[gitana1]

Me too!!!!! I will never forget that craziness, along with my frustration. I couldn’t attend because of work, even though it was local, but I recorded every second so I wouldn’t miss anything. I was originally disappointed PF’s trial wasn’t televised, but now I’ve become accustomed to following along with all the reporters’ notes and Sam’s nightly FB videos. I really think Judge Sells has been very wise the way he’s handled this case, and it sounds like it’s gone very smoothly unlike the circus of the JA trial.

It certainly makes it easier to catch up.

 

[tmar]

Hmmm. I never heard of a inpatient program for mineral deficiencies.
Eta: Just saw a member posted the name of the clinic. Thanks MG!

Perhaps meaning Serotonin, therefore Depression.

 

[mustloveco]

Perhaps meaning Serotonin, therefore Depression.

I would be depressed too, if I had to deal with PF.

 

[Aydrianna523]

That's what I am thinking, too.

I don't think he wanted custody of her- just bragging rights that "poor me, I have to take care of the baby because her mother emotionally doesn't want to or can't". I think this was all an act on his part to look like a decent father, looking out for his daughter. He no more wanted custody of Baby K then we all want to walk into a poisonous snake pit. He never filed the papers, after having a lawyer help him fill them out.

His mother trying to get custody is also a head scratcher. I remember watching her walk on video, she could barely walk across a room and certainly didn't appear fit enough to have sole custody of a toddler, while her son is in prison. To my knowledge, just her and Patrick lived at the ranch, who was going to chase Baby K around once she started running around, like a normal child? With a stove in the middle of the kitchen area or living room, with no gate around it? Come on. This was all an act on their part.

I never believed this was a custody issue. Patrick was done with both Kelsey and Krystal. His only undoing was that he couldn't convince Krystal to take Kelsey's body with her back to Idaho, although she sure did get rid of Kelsey's phone after she made a few texts on it on the way to Idaho, and her gun. He was killing one woman while trying to frame the other woman.

Absolutely, you have to have good health to chase those toddlers. I, as well, couldn't figure that one at.
Pf probably told her to . She's probably a bit scared if him, mixed with love.

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He probably would’ve just had his mother or sister raise her.

That's what I thought, but he asked someone at Doss if they knew a good babysitter. Pretty sure sf1 couldn't do it full time, and we don't know how receptive his sister would be (lawsuit going on). Relatives aren't always willing to babysit.
Some are. Some aren't.