CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018

[GuyfromCanada]

Wow, this case made it to national news!

 

[Stunned]

Hi all,

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Looking forward to intelligent, compassionate discussion that I enjoyed on the Watts thread, which is what brought me to Websleuths.

Most of all, praying for Kelsey's safe return.

Welcome!

 

[soap mama]

That right there, is an abomination.

Lolz

 

[LietKynes]

Bc whoever took her used her phone to text work JMO

Agreed and that's a chilling thought.
I was hoping she'd just left of her own volition..... but leaving her baby behind ??

How difficult is it to use someone else's phone to send a text ?
Wouldn't the person(s) on the receiving end become suspicious ?
It's just that everyone has a particular style of speaking/texting... and a different person would have to know how to 'mimic' them. Thinking out loud.....

 

[Inthedetails]

I have been curious about that also.

Since writing that question, I am now thinking that she had no plans for Thanksgiving. I think it was another Thursday for her, but a Thursday when she didn't have to go to work. Speculation only, but I have a hunch she didn't have holiday plans. Maybe her fiance's family did have holiday plans and that's why he picked up their daughter?
Speculation only.

jmo

 

[MassGuy]

Agreed and that's a chilling thought.
I was hoping she'd just left of her own volition..... but leaving her baby behind ??

How difficult is it to use someone else's phone to send a text ?
Wouldn't the person(s) on the receiving end become suspicious ?
It's just that everyone has a particular style of speaking/texting... and a different person would have to know how to 'mimic' them. Thinking out loud.....

Yeah. There’s a couple things that can serve as an indicator as to if the text was actually sent by her or not:

The words that were used in the text.

The fact that a text was sent in this particular circumstance. Would she normally ask for time off via text?

 

[Kapua]

If this was in fact foul play, then it appears that someone wanted to make it appear that she left on her own free will.

It explains her purse being missing.

It also explains the text message to her employer, and the cell phone ping in Idaho.

If this was in fact foul play, and someone wanted to make it appear that she left on her own free will, that someone did not think it through very well. If she'd left on her own, she would have been in her car, and the rolls would not have been left out. If she'd planned to be away for a while, she would have packed a bag with a change of clothes and some toiletries. And if she was able to, she'd probably have used her ATM by now.

 

[Inthedetails]

Reminding myself to keep an open mind. There have been other cases where moms disappear on their own when it was also out of character for them. We all are leaning toward one conclusion....but there might be another one.

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

Yeah. There’s a couple things that can serve as an indicator as to if the text was actually sent by her or not:

The words that were used in the text.

The fact that a text was sent in this particular circumstance. Would she normally ask for time off via text?

And, on a Sunday night? That's really inconsiderate to take a week off with no notice. Her mom specifically mentioned in the press conference that Kelsey is considerate.

jmo

Edited to add: We don't know the text was sent on Sunday night. Could have been earlier....but no matter the time, taking a week off and notifying your employer of your intentions on a Sunday is odd.

 

[cuffem]

At least we have not heard,"She left with another man" or "She needed some time away for herself".IFKWIM.

 

[MassGuy]

Reminding myself to keep an open mind. There have been other cases where moms disappear on their own when it was also out of character for them. We all are leaning toward one conclusion....but there might be another one.

jmo

Very true. There is nothing that absolutely proves that foul play occurred here.

 

[Stunned]

Ok. I’m gonna plunge in here and ask....is the fiancé the baby’s father? Do we KNOW that?

 

[PiertotumLocomotor]

There are a few cameras she would've been seen at on hwy24. I walked near the high school and found several cameras that she would've possibly been on.
One on a storage unit and one behind a forest service building. Also the community pool

What a privilege to have such an astute neighbor as a member on our forum. Thank you for sharing "insider info" that gives us helpful visualization!

I hope your neighbor is found safe soon.

 

[cuffem]

The holidays adds another emotional point to the situation.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Yeah it would. You’d have to be able to conceal the trip and you being unreachable during that time period.

It would likely involve a third party in order to pull it off. Perhaps a friend or close relative.

It does complicate things, but at the same time indicates one of two things:

This isn’t foul play, and she left on her own accord.

The assailant is close to her (in a foul play scenario) as no other person would go to that effort to build a false trail.

Although the circumstances are different, in that we don't have a missing child as well, it is not impossible that we could have a situation like the Madeline Jones / Baby William Jones-Gouchenour case out of Mesa Arizona. In that case Madeline took off with baby William and her parents were trying to set up her ex-husband as having harmed her and taken the baby. It turned out that not less than two dozen people were involved in moving and hiding Madeline and William as well as lying to the police until US Marshals were able to track them down in Ravenna, California some 4 months later. In that case it was a religious sect (Mormons) using their networks to move and hide people.

All of that nonsense - which was quite elaborate - was carried out by her family and others in order to change the joint custody ruling for custody of baby William.

I am not sure what is going on with Kelsey's case, but seeing something elaborate gives me pause.

 

[Warwick7]

If this was in fact foul play, and someone wanted to make it appear that she left on her own free will, that someone did not think it through very well. If she'd left on her own, she would have been in her car, and the rolls would not have been left out. If she'd planned to be away for a while, she would have packed a bag with a change of clothes and some toiletries. And if she was able to, she'd probably have used her ATM by now.

And cover the rolls. If someone came by and wanted to leave quick she would at least cover them till she got back. However it was stated they were cold. I took that as they were out in a way they shouldn't have.

 

[Jennifer17]

Yeah. There’s a couple things that can serve as an indicator as to if the text was actually sent by her or not:

The words that were used in the text.

The fact that a text was sent in this particular circumstance. Would she normally ask for time off via text?

Anywhere I have worked, that would not be acceptable. To ask for time off without a prior request unless it was a sudden bereavement.
I wonder if they asked her boss if that was an unusual thing to do?

 

[Mercedes]

"The same day officers conducted the welfare check, Berreth’s cell phone was pinged near Gooding at 5:13 p.m – over 800 miles from her home in Colorado. Steve Van Dinter, a Verizon spokesman, tells EastIdahoNews.com that the ping would be accurate within a mile of the location coordinates."

New information released on case of missing mother whose phone was last pinged in Idaho | East Idaho News

This article states that Kelsey dropped the baby off at the father’s home.

 

[MassGuy]

Anywhere I have worked, that would not be acceptable. To ask for time off without a prior request unless it was a sudden bereavement.
I wonder if they asked her boss if that was an unusual thing to do?

Yeah. That would be standard, especially when they were trying to figure out what exactly they were dealing with.

If this is odd behavior, then it is more likely that she wasn’t the one who sent that text.

I agree, sending a text to ask for that much time off certainly sounds fishy to me.

 

[Mercedes]

Did KB drive her car to the Safeway for the child exchange with the child's Father ? Who was the main caregiver for the child, KB or the Father ?

Above article indicates Kelsey dropped the daughter off at the father’s home.