CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge #3

[searchinGirl]

Hmmm, that is strange. Wait, why does FindHG have a + after it??

Could it be she is logged in with more than one device?

 

[margarita25]

Hmmm, that is strange. Wait, why does FindHG have a + after it??

I thought it meant they are on a cell phone...
A good question for a mod.

 

[margarita25]

Five members browsing thread, but only four members showing.. WTH?

There are currently 5 users browsing this thread. (5 members and 0 guests)
Foxfire, FindHG+, margarita25, SugarQueen

I know members can view threads incognito by choosing that in their settings, could that be it? But in that case I thought they show up as guests...?

Maybe it means FHG has a spousal member haha.

 

[Montjoy]

Hmmm, that is strange. Wait, why does FindHG have a + after it??

Either she is on your friends list, or you have invited her (or she has invited you) as a friend.

 

[Forager]

Five members browsing thread, but only four members showing.. WTH?

There are currently 5 users browsing this thread. (5 members and 0 guests)
Foxfire, FindHG+, margarita25, SugarQueen

I might be the fifth. I left my computer at about 5:30 EST without logging off and have only just returned to it now. I don't know why my handle wouldn't have shown up on the list at the bottom of the screen. It is showing now.

 

[Forager]

Think that + means that her mail box is full..

I think it means 'friend".

 

[Forager]

Im kinda, sorta, lost here! Lol. I'll go back and re read a little later but did we know about this?? http://www.abc15.com/news/region-ce...s-shot-at-near-highway-71-looking-for-suspect

No, I didn't have that one, and have now added it. (Her reference is to a report of a one day series of four window shatterings along a short stretch of highway in rural Arizona). Thank you for it. I noticed a post by Margarita later on the thread wondering out loud if this and similar incidents might be a response to a "call to action". My guess is that they are not. Single day rampages like this one make up a fair portion of the multiple shooting 'clusters' I've been trying to list for the 2013 to date period. Like multi-day shootings, more have been happening this year than in 2014 or 2013, but my impression is that they have more to do with being young, male, troubled and impulsive than anything else. But that's only an impression. We don't know who is responsible for most of the shootings, or much about the perpetrators when we do. A disproportionate number of the know perpetrators have Islamic sounding names, but we have no indication of terrorist links or attitudes.

 

[Foxfire]

Just an FYI: Watched a Discovery ID show last night of a past Bank robbery. The Bank President's spouse was abducted using a ruse. A recording was made by her to play to her husband in an effort to force him to withdraw the money from the safe and deposit it at a drop off location. The perp executed the hostage as soon as the recording was complete. He used a Glaser Safety Slug to execute her. Once LE located her body, it was determined that the cod was a gunshot wound to the head. The FBI Special Agent assisting in the investigation stated that due to the type of ammo used<frangible>, it would be futile to conduct a ballistics examination..

 

[Forager]

Just an FYI: Watched a Discovery ID show last night of a past Bank robbery. The Bank President's spouse was abducted using a ruse. A recording was made by her to play to her husband in an effort to force him to withdraw the money from the safe and deposit it at a drop off location. The perp executed the hostage as soon as the recording was complete. He used a Glaser Safety Slug to execute her. Once LE located her body, it was determined that the cod was a gunshot wound to the head. The FBI Special Agent assisting in the investigation stated that due to the type of ammo used<frangible>, it would be futile to conduct a ballistics examination..

I remember you warning about that. That's chilling. I wonder if LE is quietly freaking out about one of its key forensic tools disappearing.

But it isn't this Glazer Saftey Slug type of frangible bullet that you are suggesting might be in use in the I-25 shootings, right? While it might be futile to try to tie the remains of the Glazer Saftey Slug to a particular gun, this it would leave identifiable remains - the blue plastic tip and the mangled jacket of the bullet - if it penetrated a car window. We have no solid indication that any bullet remains have been found in any of the shattered window incidents.

Here's a diagram of the Glazer Saftey Slug:

 

[Foxfire]

I remember you warning about that. That's chilling. I wonder if LE is quietly freaking out about one of its key forensic tools disappearing.

But it isn't this Glazer Saftey Slug type of frangible bullet that you are suggesting might be in use in the I-25 shootings, right? While it might be futile to try to tie the remains of the Glazer Saftey Slug to a particular gun, this it would leave identifiable remains - the blue plastic tip and the mangled jacket of the bullet - if it penetrated a car window. We have no solid indication that any bullet remains have been found in any of the shattered window incidents.

Here's a diagram of the Glazer Saftey Slug:

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Not sure what brand or type of frangible ammo that, may or may not, be being utilized in the window shatterings, Forager. The Special Agent in the ID show made the statement that the bullet would have exploded upon impact of the victims skull, rendering ballistics futile. I just thought that it was interesting because I had seen the documentary before, but didn't know what frangible ammo was at the time...
When investigators executed a search warrant of the suspect's home, they did find a partial box of Glazer Saftey Slugs and the same caliber firearm used on the murder victim.. It was one of the first cases where a cyber forensics investigation was critical in getting a guilty verdict at trial.. Wish I had paid more attention to the specific case..

 

[Montjoy]

Not sure what brand or type of frangible ammo that, may or may not, be being utilized in the window shatterings, Forager. The Special Agent in the ID show made the statement that the bullet would have exploded upon impact of the victims skull, rendering ballistics futile.

rsbm

It depends on what you mean. I agree, this kind of ammo does not give the sort of evidence that the CSI generation expects to draw a straight line between an impact point and a particular weapon.

On the other hand, this sort of ammo definitely leaves behind forensic evidence. If this ammo had been used in any of the window "shatterings", LE would surely know. It's not like someone is firing an imaginary ice or frozen CO2 bullet -- this ammo leaves evidence that there was definitely frangible ammo used.

 

[Foxfire]

rsbm

It depends on what you mean. I agree, this kind of ammo does not give the sort of evidence that the CSI generation expects to draw a straight line between an impact point and a particular weapon.

On the other hand, this sort of ammo definitely leaves behind forensic evidence. If this ammo had been used in any of the window "shatterings", LE would surely know. It's not like someone is firing an imaginary ice or frozen CO2 bullet -- this ammo leaves evidence that there was definitely frangible ammo used.

Montjoy, then explain why there is in excess of forty car window shatterings in a specific geographical area. Yet only a couple of the incidents are determined to be caused by gunshots. Explain NOCO Shooter victim Romero's 3 entrance/exit wounds from one bullet that only hit soft tissue in her neck, after shattering the hard surface of the car window..while the other shatterings are attributed to road debris, pressurization, or caused by unknown circumstances..

Imo, many, if not most of the car window shatterings were not investigated properly..Simply not taken seriously..

 

[FindHG]

Montjoy, then explain why there is in excess of forty car window shatterings in a specific geographical area. Yet only a couple of the incidents are determined to be caused by gunshots. Explain NOCO Shooter victim Romero's 3 entrance/exit wounds from one bullet that only hit soft tissue in her neck, after shattering the hard surface of the car window..while the other shatterings are attributed to road debris, pressurization, or caused by unknown circumstances..

Imo, many, if not most of the car window shatterings were not investigated properly..Simply not taken seriously..

I guess I'm not the only one who is confused by frangibles, but with me it's the dessert thing. It takes a minute, but I realize the point of these types projectiles is to leave no or minimal traceable evidence. Thank you, Foxfire and all for your patient continued consideration around a revolving tenure of theories around these incidents. Forgive the last sentence... not sure why?

 

[Forager]

rsbm

It depends on what you mean. I agree, this kind of ammo does not give the sort of evidence that the CSI generation expects to draw a straight line between an impact point and a particular weapon.

On the other hand, this sort of ammo definitely leaves behind forensic evidence. If this ammo had been used in any of the window "shatterings", LE would surely know. It's not like someone is firing an imaginary ice or frozen CO2 bullet -- this ammo leaves evidence that there was definitely frangible ammo used.

Montjoy, then explain why there is in excess of forty car window shatterings in a specific geographical area. Yet only a couple of the incidents are determined to be caused by gunshots. Explain NOCO Shooter victim Romero's 3 entrance/exit wounds from one bullet that only hit soft tissue in her neck, after shattering the hard surface of the car window..while the other shatterings are attributed to road debris, pressurization, or caused by unknown circumstances..

Imo, many, if not most of the car window shatterings were not investigated properly..Simply not taken seriously..

I'm not sure that friend Montjoy, adversary though he often seems, was trying to gainsay either of us that time. You've got him thinking about the possibilities presented by frangible ammunition, and he was definitely picking up on my point that the Glazer bullets, while anonymous, wouldn't be invisible to investigators. And he wasn't even dismissing the notion that the window shatterings along I-25 might be deliberate. He may only have been trying to avoid having me going yet again thru my wheeze about what an unlikely concentration of shatterings we've been seeing. But then we might be bringing him around a little. Am I misreading you, Montjoy? Where do you stand on the I-25 shatterings these days?

 

[searchinGirl]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...motorcycle-with-husband-at-garden-of-the-gods

probably not related to the Northern Colorado shootings but similar enough to mention...and frightening too...

 

[margarita25]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...motorcycle-with-husband-at-garden-of-the-gods

probably not related to the Northern Colorado shootings but similar enough to mention...and frightening too...

Thanks for posting, searchingirl.

From the above link:

"A motorcyclist told investigators that he and his wife were riding through the park around 11 p.m. Sunday night when they passed other motorcyclists who suddenly started following them.

The man's wife said at some point, she felt a burning sensation in her back.

"When the victim and her husband arrived home from their ride, he checked her back and discovered wounds consistent with being shot," Colorado Springs Police said."

 

[margarita25]

Re: the above latest posts re: the shooting on the motorcyclists at the Garden of the Gods Park, FHG had mentioned upstream her possible concern about the motorcycle incident re: Robert Jacobs. While I did not suspect any relation to our shatterings and shootings, the above latest incident involving a motorcycle possibly warrants a second look at his case imo.

Here is a link to his thread on websleuths for reference:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...acobs-65-Castle-Rock-Breckenridge-8-June-2015

*One thing I'd like to mention is that RJ was leaving Castle Rock. This is also the same location from which a local that was headed northbound on I-25 into Denver reported a shattering (just south of the city) over the summer.

*All these seemingly random acts of shooting violence...

 

[Forager]

I guess I'm not the only one who is confused by frangibles, but with me it's the dessert thing. It takes a minute, but I realize the point of it these types projectiles is to leave no or minimal traceable evidence. Thank you, Foxfire and all for your patient continued consideration around a revolving tenure of theories around these incidents. Forgive the last sentence... not sure why?

You usually make sense to me, at least when you speak out loud, but I understood almost nothing of the above. Dessert? Anyway, the inventers' intention in creating frangibles was to make bullets that would damage their targets without damaging other things by passing thru their target and hurting someone else, or ricocheting off their targets and hurting someone else. They are designed to release their energy into the first thing they hit and more or less stop at that. The stealth aspect is just a nasty side effect from the stand point of law abiding citizens.

 

[FindHG]

Re: the above latest posts re: the shooting on the motorcyclists at the Garden of the Gods Park, FHG had mentioned upstream her possible concern about the motorcycle incident re: Robert Jacobs. While I did not suspect any relation to our shatterings and shootings, the above latest incident involving a motorcycle possibly warrants a second look at his case imo.

Here is a link to his thread on websleuths for reference:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...acobs-65-Castle-Rock-Breckenridge-8-June-2015

*One thing I'd like to mention is that RJ was leaving Castle Rock. This is also the same location from which a local that was headed northbound on I-25 into Denver reported a shattering (just south of the city) over the summer.

*All these seemingly random acts of shooting violence...

Thank you for this information, magz. Interesting, around the same time, there was also a red car that had driven off a fairly isolated road found in a river in what seemed similar circumstance, no good explanation, based on the MSM reports and there were no witnesses either. I'll try to find it.

You usually make sense to me, at least when you speak out loud, but I understood almost nothing of the above. Dessert? Anyway, the inventers' intention in creating frangibles was to make bullets that would damage their targets without damaging other things by passing thru their target and hurting someone else, or ricocheting off their targets and hurting someone else. They are designed to release their energy into the first thing they hit and more or less stop at that. The stealth aspect is just a nasty side effect from the stand point of law abiding citizens.

Forget about the dessert thing, and thank for your continued patience in trying to make sense of errr things.

So, something like a smart bullet that stops on first impact, doesn't ricochet, pass through, or leave easily conceivable traces?

 

[Forager]

Thank you for this information, magz. Interesting, there was also a red car that had driven off a road, and found in a river in what seemed similar circumstance, not good explanation, based on the MSM reports and no witnesses, either, I'll try to find it.




Forget about the dessert thing, and thank for your continued patience in trying to make sense of errr things.

So, something like a smart bullet that stops on first impact, doesn't ricochet, pass through, or leave easily conceivable traces?

Just so.