CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #10

[CFlo]

I don't know if CW will try to say "Thrive made me do it" or "Thrive made her do it!" but crazier defense strategies have been tried.

Thrive weightloss patch raises questions

Dr Shaun Holt, the medical director of HoneyLab, warns there are many reasons to be wary of the Thrive DFT patch, which is not supported by clinical trials. "Best case is that it is a waste of money, worst case is that it is dangerous," he says.

Is this the same HoneyLab?
HoneyLab was founded in 2009 by Dr Shaun Holt and Laurence Greig in order to develop and make available effective medical products from honey and other products from bees and their environment. We are now running the world’s largest programme of medical research in this field, and have published over 20 medical research studies.

Co-founder Dr. Shaun Holt has degrees in both pharmacy and medicine and a background in developing new medicines within the pharmaceutical industry. In HoneyLab, these same principles are being applied to natural products in order to develop products that are natural, safe and above all effective.
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[Chelly]

So you don't think a woman "wearing the pants" is a reason to kill?
Because you did list that as a potential reason.

Isn't that funny, in this day and age, that someone would refer to a woman as "wearing the pants" in a family. Who would say that?

 

[DAdvocate]

So you don't think a woman "wearing the pants" is a reason to kill?
Because you did list that as a potential reason.

That may have contributed to how he felt. Another question I have. If it’s determined that CW has a mental illness, does that change how we look at him? Mental illness is out of our control.

 

[Jennifer17]

Solely to play devil's advocate, many innocent people lie to hide "shameful" behavior.

Hiding his children's bodies can be explained as a means of trying to save his wife's image.

Now I personally do not believe this to be the case but I have seen instances where either of the above can easily be true.

I don't believe that for one minute.

 

[Ilovemy3boys]

Solely to play devil's advocate, many innocent people lie to hide "shameful" behavior.

Hiding his children's bodies can be explained as a means of trying to save his wife's image.

Now I personally do not believe this to be the case but I have seen instances where either of the above can easily be true.

No way. If he wanted to save his wife’s image, he wouldn’t say she killed the girls.

 

[Chelly]

Or, just click on their name and the ignore option is right there. No need to type the name.

Well, holy smokes, Thanks so much. I'm an old-timer here so I remember the old fashioned way to Ignore a poster....not that I've had to do it much.... until this forum. Seems Ignoring is easier this days with this new-fangled website. Glad for the advise, Jax49.

 

[Sabrina1011]

So, how do you get over the fact that he hid his children's bodies in dark, dirty oil?
And all the lies he has told? Why believe he is telling the truth, now?

I am not a person who likes to debate or argue. Let’s just say I need to see more evidence. I didn’t say I believe his story, I said I think there is a chance it may be true. I am not in any way saying what he did was okay, no it is horrible but I think there is a lot more to this story.

 

[bluesneakers]

Is this the same HoneyLab?
HoneyLab was founded in 2009 by Dr Shaun Holt and Laurence Greig in order to develop
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Does that make this untrue?

There have been 16 "adverse health events" associated with Thrive reported to the US Food and Drug administration since 2013, including abdominal pain, headaches and fatigue. Three involved hospitalisation.

 

[kimlynn]

If the AP is married and had no intention to leave spouse, I would think money is the motive, i.e. the sale of the house (approx 100k). CW may have also had a 401k that he didn't want to share.

I think money was very much the motive. At the very least he probably was thinking of the yrs of child support he would owe,and I imagine he wouldn't want to split the house profits.
IMO

 

[Ilovemy3boys]

Does that make this untrue?

There have been 16 "adverse health events" associated with Thrive reported to the US Food and Drug administration since 2013, including abdominal pain, headaches and fatigue. Three involved hospitalisation.

Oh ok. So it only affects them physically not mentally. He can’t use that as an excuse for murder.

 

[MindHunter13]

No way. If he wanted to save his wife’s image, he wouldn’t say she killed the girls.

If you recall, at first he said he had killed them. So taking everything into account, the initial report was three bodies were found, two in oil reservoirs with the father/husband confessing to the three murders.

Then the story slowly began to change afterwards. Once he saw all the heat on him, he could have very easily decided saving her image was not sacrificing his freedom (if we are assuming innocence until proven guilty).

 

[isalybra]

What percentage do you get of monthly sales? If she was close to 200k, does mean like 180k. And if let’s say she’s gets 4%, that would be about 7,200. I assume taxes aren’t taken out and she gets a 1099 from this business?

It would help to know a percentage or does is vary depending on how much? Thank you.

That's very difficult to configure. It's not a flat percentage of total sales. It's multi level. Another member posted the percentage breakdown. To know exactly what she made you would have to know her entire downline and their downline and breakdown all the sales from each level to know what her income was. I cannot do that

 

[Sabrina1011]

AND.... I think “you all”or “y’all”are being bullies to anyone who doesn’t agree with your opinions.

 

[DAdvocate]

I would also like to know if SW or CW had any drugs in their system. A bad batch of a drug can make people do unthinkable things.

Naked Man Chews Other Guy’s Face, Shot Dead by Cops | TIME.com

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

Solely to play devil's advocate, many innocent people lie to hide "shameful" behavior.

Hiding his children's bodies can be explained as a means of trying to save his wife's image.

Now I personally do not believe this to be the case but I have seen instances where either of the above can easily be true.

I think if this were at all a possibility he would have buried the girls together as lovingly as possible, not dumped in two oil tanks.

I also think he would have refused tv interviews and shown signs of distress.

Moo

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[DAdvocate]

That's very difficult to configure. It's not a flat percentage of total sales. It's multi level. Another member posted the percentage breakdown. To know exactly what she made you would have to know her entire downline and their downline and breakdown all the sales from each level to know what her income was. I cannot do that

Thanks for the reply.

 

[Ilovemy3boys]

If you recall, at first he said he had killed them. So taking everything into account, the initial report was three bodies were found, two in oil reservoirs with the father/husband confessing to the three murders.

Then the story slowly began to change afterwards. Once he saw all the heat on him, he could have very easily decided saving her image was not sacrificing his freedom (if we are assuming innocence until proven guilty).

Of course. That’s because he wants to use that as his defense. The helpless father that couldn’t save his daughters from the evil mom that he killed in a rage. Yeah good luck with that one.

 

[gitana1]

Solely to play devil's advocate, many innocent people lie to hide "shameful" behavior.

Hiding his children's bodies can be explained as a means of trying to save his wife's image.

Now I personally do not believe this to be the case but I have seen instances where either of the above can easily be true.

So this dude who was having an affair and seemed comfortable, even pleased with the fact that the corpses of his daughters were rotting in oil vats, that dude hid them to avoid shame for his wife?

 

[Chelly]

Does that make this untrue?

There have been 16 "adverse health events" associated with Thrive reported to the US Food and Drug administration since 2013, including abdominal pain, headaches and fatigue. Three involved hospitalisation.

Now THIS ^^^ is interesting.

 

[mickey2942]

That may have contributed to how he felt. Another question I have. If it’s determined that CW has a mental illness, does that change how we look at him? Mental illness is out of our control.

There is mental illness, but mental illness does not extend to deliberately hiding evidence. When he dumped bodies in oil tanks, and buried a body in a shallow grave, that is a Personality disorder, Psychopathy, with deliberate behavior to evade detection.

That is the difference between being able to claim insanity defense and not. His actions after the deaths, were not insane. An example of insanity would have been leaving the bodies out, and attempting suicide. That would have been an indicator of mental illness, like depression with psychosis.