CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #11

[Nessa131]

Agree but even then, SW's nails would have still caught him somewhere. Will be interesting to see the police pics.

Definitely. I wish this process didnt take years

 

[MCDRAW]

Yeah. It seems much more casual in jail as opposed to prisons. People transferred to prisons always seem scared.

My brother was a drug addict who went to prison a couple of times. He preferred prison over the County jail. I would tell him, I am praying that you have to serve your whole sentence in the County jail and he would say every time, stop! He knew he could get drugs in prison and he couldn't even get a cigarette in the County jail. The only time he ever got in a fight was in the County.

 

[FlossyMay]

Maybe he was wearing a jacket or something. Bathrobe maybe.

 

[RavenCC2020]

It is possible. I'm just not there with the domestic abuse.

I think he was the verbal/mental abuser type not physical at all.

 

[Nessa131]

If you open a phone with a fingerprint, you think can change the passwords? And then you could open it later? Forensics and the phone will be interesting.

Also doesnt the phone go off of the warmth of the finger as well. If that is true it would have had to have been done immediately or the hand re warmed. That just creeps me out more thinking about it

 

[CM0709]

Would she still not fight though? Fight or flight?

If you have ever been strangled and pinned down by a strong man your first reaction is to try to get their hands off your neck which is impossible but that's your first instinct and you don't even try to fight with your hands in a more effective way like hitting it's literally trying to pry hands off your own neck.

 

[Allabouttrial]

True but after a few seconds or so of trying that and it not working- would you try to scratch at them in other places to make them stop? I mean none of us know what we would do in a situation like that until you are in it. God forbid any of us ever find that out.

Or if you are thinking straight, for DNA purposes...

 

[Bill Carson]

MSM reports stated he did confess. But that is all moot. In my opinion he is a murderer.

I share your opinion, FWIW.

 

[Nessa131]

Or if you are thinking straight, for DNA purposes...

My mom always told my sister an i that growing up. If anything happened to her- make sure they check under her nails. there will be dna. And she always said for us to do that too. Scary the times we live in now!

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Also doesnt the phone go off of the warmth of the finger as well. If that is true it would have had to have been done immediately or the hand re warmed. That just creeps me out more thinking about it

Like optical scanners, capacitive fingerprint scanners generate an image of the ridges and valleys that make up a fingerprint.

 

[Allabouttrial]

My mom always told my sister an i that growing up. If anything happened to her- make sure they check under her nails. there will be dna. And she always said for us to do that too. Scary the times we live in now!

It really is

 

[Jennifer17]

I am pretty sure that a man could put enough pressure on the trachea with one hand while holding the hands together at the wrists for long enough for a woman to lose consciousness then finish off with both hands.

 

[CM0709]

Or if you are thinking straight, for DNA purposes...

I have been in this situation you are not thinking about DNA you are literally trying to get hands off your neck and not fighting in an efficient manner. I had bruises bloodshot eyes and the perpetrator had no marks what so ever.

 

[Nessa131]

Like optical scanners, capacitive fingerprint scanners generate an image of the ridges and valleys that make up a fingerprint.

I was thinking that iphones used heat sensors as well. I need to read up on that. I know if my hands are cold- the fingerprint deal will not work for me

 

[Nessa131]

I have been in this situation you are not thinking about DNA you are literally trying to get hands off your neck and not fighting in an efficient manner. I had bruises bloodshot eyes and the perpetrator had no marks what so ever.

Oh my! I am so sorry you had to go through all of that!!!! Thank you for the first hand insight on it! I honestly haven’t been in the situation to know thankfully.

Edited to add- so glad you are still here and survived the horror of that!

 

[Allabouttrial]

I have been in this situation you are not thinking about DNA you are literally trying to get hands off your neck and not fighting in an efficient manner. I had bruises bloodshot eyes and the perpetrator had no marks what so ever.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying in every instance that would be the case. I'm just curious about possible scenarios.

 

[kkdj]

I can’t imagine how his dad felt, walking into this. He would have been in a state of shock trying to digest that his DIL and grand babies were gone and that his son was involved.

Can you just imagine your own son is involved? I really can't! I would be so devastated to learn my grandchildren were dead and my dil, but then to learn my son was involved? I can't even imagine!

 

[bluesneakers]

True but after a few seconds or so of trying that and it not working- would you try to scratch at them in other places to make them stop? I mean none of us know what we would do in a situation like that until you are in it. God forbid any of us ever find that out.

Scratching isn't effective. Stomp on an instep. Knee to the groin. Fingers to eyeballs or nostrils. (Disclaimer: Not a defense instructor, just read a lot.)

 

[Nessa131]

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying in every instance that would be the case. I'm just curious about possible scenarios.

I am as well. Just trying to get answers..... that we may never get.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I was thinking that iphones used heat sensors as well. I need to read up on that. I know if my hands are cold- the fingerprint deal will not work for me

Yes, your fingerprint changes when your hands are cold as they shrink up. Apple recommends you do a cold sensor ID in addition to warm sensor ID because of that.