CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #15

[NuttMegg]

Maybe missing his 6 weeks of prepped freezer meals about now.

What's he whining about? For the rest of his pathetic life he never has to work again, his room and board and medical care is paid for, and he can do pushups on the floor of his cell all day long if he wants. And answer love letters from sick women (and men, apparently) who get a kick out of aligning themselves with murderers.

 

[Stunned]

I feel that he was shocked and could not believe that it was getting so much attention.

He lost control quicker than he thought he would!

 

[molly1255]

These are crimes of passion motivated by emotions, not rational thinking. No rational, right-thinking person would expect to get away with disappearing their entire family.

I agree and I don't think CW is a rational, right thinking person. I believe, based on everything we've seen to date that he fully intended to try to get away with this.

 

[MindHunter13]

*****As is necessary when making a posting of this nature, please understand that I am only looking at the facts as they have been presented. Any speculation presented is that of my own making and not a regurgitation of someone else’s thoughts. Further, these thoughts are exactly that, my own personal thoughts regarding this case. I have no personal knowledge, connection or insider information regarding this case and have used my experience in Law Enforcement and Forensic Psychology to formulate my theory. I have reviewed all available documentation I considered to be relevant in order to formulate this theory.*****

The “picture perfect family” that SW portrayed in her social media accounts very likely existed to her. She very likely loved her husband dearly, treasured the life and home she had (especially after overcoming such a surmountable bankruptcy) and very obviously loved her children. So, while many are wondering why it seemed they have a perfect life, remember that in the eyes of SW, everything probably appeared to be wonderful.

It's my opinion that CW reached his decision to end his “family life” after having spent a few weeks alone and while SW was away at work. While I obviously do not know for sure, I do not believe it was for him to be with his mistress. I instead conclude that he simply saw the freedom that came with a “family free” life and after all the stress and complications felt during the 2015 bankruptcy proceedings, CW decided his best option would be to terminate their lives rather than divorce and endure those financial constraints.

It is very likely that CW killed his daughters on 8/12/18, prior to SW returning home. This was done by means of strangulation which was confirmed by CW (though he blames SW for the act, but forensic evaluation can determine this definitively). When SW finally returned home at 0200, he likely accosted her then. Again, she was also likely strangled. I was not able to find information that specifically stated her cause of death but would imagine that his story would be accurate as he self-confessed to this portion.

He is then seen on security camera footage backing his truck up to his garage at 5:27am on 8/13/18, approximately three hours after SW returns home. It is at this time when he is in fact loading the three deceased bodies into his pickup to dispose of them. He then proceeds to drive 60 miles to a location he is familiar with through work. He opens two crude oil storage containers and places each daughter into one, then closed them back up. It is VERY UNLIKELY that any useable forensic evidence will be recovered from these oil storage containers. Without going into a long-drawn-out reason why, just think about what happens when we have an oil spill and you’ll start to understand why it’s unlikely. He also dug a rudimentary shallow grave where SW was placed. This low-quality attempt at discarding her body displays his lack of caring if she was discovered. His true intent was to keep the girls hidden. I think there may have been an initial plan to have her body found and the girls never found. Blame her murder on someone else with the girls being listed as missing persons to potentially be found and linked to their mother sometime in the future.

For the next 3 days, CW pretends as if he has no idea what happened to his wife and children. There are so many different potential psychological abnormalities that could have caused this, but I prefer to go with Occam’s Razor. He simply was playing dumb for as long as possible in the hopes of getting away with it for as long as possible. It’s literally as simple as that. Not one reason has been presented by CW or his defense for why he perpetuated this lie, and, in my experience, it is very likely that the defense will shy away from this fact come trial.

As for the further release of information, I think we can expect to find out some more details when he appears on 11/19/18 but don’t expect much. It’s likely that he will enter his plea, possible attempt to renegotiate bail/bond and it will be over.


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[TexasTS]

Poor Chris. Sure misses his family. Jail chow is not up to par.

The gravity of the situation is he realizes he murdered his family of four including three babies, lost his girlfriend, lost his male lover, lost his job, and lost his freedom among other things including he may be granted the death penalty if all goes well in court. On top of all that, no more home cooking for him!

 

[human]

I wonder what his history of lying is? I have been able to watch a sociopath (I diagnosed and I have no credentials) lie over and over again. He does not care that he lies. He lies wven when presented with video tape proof.

Is CW comfortable with lying and thinking he can get out of anything? I think those kind of pathological liars think they are invincible

 

[Coolmomof4]

What's he whining about? For the rest of his pathetic life he never has to work again, his room and board and medical care is paid for, and he can do pushups on the floor of his cell all day long if he wants. And answer love letters from sick women (and men, apparently) who get a kick out of aligning themselves with murderers.

You're right. Sounds like it's perfect for him.

 

[BingoBongo]

It really is crazy. I was part of a mom group on Facebook. One mom posted a picture of her naked daughter sitting on the potty. I congratulated her on the achievement but suggested that that was a picture probably better kept for their private albums. You should have seen the responses that I got from the other moms! About how innocent it was and how I was the one with the problem if I saw it as anything but... There were over 500 people in that group... No way to verify who others were, etc. I was just trying to look out for the child. I left the group after that.

I don't know, maybe it's just because I spend so much time on here, but I am very careful about who is on my friends list and what I post, especially when it comes to my children.

I do have other friends involved in MLMs and they definitely post way more stuff. Cute kids get comments/likes. Comments/likes increase traffic and people seeing your posts about the product you're selling.

I too find it both astounding, and a little frightening, that so many parents are willing to post their child(rens) photos in public forums, or make those photos public on their own FB pages. No common sense.

 

[OTPTarheel2018]

What, if anything, do we know about his past relationships with former girlfriends?

This is what I have found- an article from a reporter at the Fayetteville Observer. That would be the local paper where CW grew up. Yes, it's long, with the interview with the HS auto teacher, and sandwiched in the middle are two paragraphs I find interesting. And the photo link I posted yesterday is included.
In one paragraph the teacher wonders why CW was so withdrawn.
In the other paragraph the reporter states what "others" said about CW but the statement is not attributed to anyone in particular.

I'll keep looking.
JMO.

Chris Watts, accused of killing pregnant wife, kids in Colorado, has Fayetteville ties

 

[SweetPeas56]

I asked the question before with no answer from anyone.

I am wondering what his missing scene was going to be. Everything at the house including the car? When would friends be called asking where she is? When would LE be called?

Or would he drive the car, leave it and run back home? Or?

Your guess is as good as any.

I think if NU/NA hadn't shown up, we may have had months of them being "missing" with no answers.

If I were to make a guess, I'd say he was either going to try to leave with her car/stuff and hide it somewhere, saying she must have run off

Or

He was going to say she and the kids were abducted.

I think he was going to point the direction of the "back" way that had no cameras whichever story he went with.

Idk what would have happened if dogs alerted to the presence of decomposition in the house. Maybe he was going to go with an intruder story.

Edited to clarify: I would assume that dogs WOULD have alerted eventually, but that without NU/NA's persistence, CW would've had more time to get ready. So I don't know how long he could've kept LE out of the house.

 

[gitana1]

:shivers: remembering when Ross Harris called into the funeral and actually spoke from jail over the speaker over his wife's phone.

Ewww. Well I don't think that will happen here!

 

[Bill Carson]

And that his original plans were ruined by NU. He can’t believe he is in this situation, It was not supposed to go that way

This illustrates why the death penalty is not a deterrent---these killers don't think they'll get caught and don't consider the consequences if they do get caught. A deterrent is supposed to "make people think twice before....," but they don't even think once.

 

[Allabouttrial]

*****As is necessary when making a posting of this nature, please understand that I am only looking at the facts as they have been presented. Any speculation presented is that of my own making and not a regurgitation of someone else’s thoughts. Further, these thoughts are exactly that, my own personal thoughts regarding this case. I have no personal knowledge, connection or insider information regarding this case and have used my experience in Law Enforcement and Forensic Psychology to formulate my theory. I have reviewed all available documentation I considered to be relevant in order to formulate this theory.*****

The “picture perfect family” that SW portrayed in her social media accounts very likely existed to her. She very likely loved her husband dearly, treasured the life and home she had (especially after overcoming such a surmountable bankruptcy) and very obviously loved her children. So, while many are wondering why it seemed they have a perfect life, remember that in the eyes of SW, everything probably appeared to be wonderful.

It's my opinion that CW reached his decision to end his “family life” after having spent a few weeks alone and while SW was away at work. While I obviously do not know for sure, I do not believe it was for him to be with his mistress. I instead conclude that he simply saw the freedom that came with a “family free” life and after all the stress and complications felt during the 2015 bankruptcy proceedings, CW decided his best option would be to terminate their lives rather than divorce and endure those financial constraints.

It is very likely that CW killed his daughters on 8/12/18, prior to SW returning home. This was done by means of strangulation which was confirmed by CW (though he blames SW for the act, but forensic evaluation can determine this definitively). When SW finally returned home at 0200, he likely accosted her then. Again, she was also likely strangled. I was not able to find information that specifically stated her cause of death but would imagine that his story would be accurate as he self-confessed to this portion.

He is then seen on security camera footage backing his truck up to his garage at 5:27am on 8/13/18, approximately three hours after SW returns home. It is at this time when he is in fact loading the three deceased bodies into his pickup to dispose of them. He then proceeds to drive 60 miles to a location he is familiar with through work. He opens two crude oil storage containers and places each daughter into one, then closed them back up. It is VERY UNLIKELY that any useable forensic evidence will be recovered from these oil storage containers. Without going into a long-drawn-out reason why, just think about what happens when we have an oil spill and you’ll start to understand why it’s unlikely. He also dug a rudimentary shallow grave where SW was placed. This low-quality attempt at discarding her body displays his lack of caring if she was discovered. His true intent was to keep the girls hidden. I think there may have been an initial plan to have her body found and the girls never found. Blame her murder on someone else with the girls being listed as missing persons to potentially be found and linked to their mother sometime in the future.

For the next 3 days, CW pretends as if he has no idea what happened to his wife and children. There are so many different potential psychological abnormalities that could have caused this, but I prefer to go with Occam’s Razor. He simply was playing dumb for as long as possible in the hopes of getting away with it for as long as possible. It’s literally as simple as that. Not one reason has been presented by CW or his defense for why he perpetuated this lie, and, in my experience, it is very likely that the defense will shy away from this fact come trial.

As for the further release of information, I think we can expect to find out some more details when he appears on 11/19/18 but don’t expect much. It’s likely that he will enter his plea, possible attempt to renegotiate bail/bond and it will be over.


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[Layla123]

Yes. That's what made me think he could not be a psychopath because they have a high physiological stress threshold. They don't feel fear like normal people.

I also thought his hard swallow after he was asked to state and spell his kids' names could've indicated a bit of remorse.

What I think is super interesting about this case but that we have not touched on very much on this thread is the questioning by the media interviewers.

Those reporters or journalists have seen a lot in their lives. And I think they were immediately onto him. There were two questions that I thought really indicated that. One was, "Chris, you know you have a beautiful family..." it was almost in a town of recrimination on the part of the reporter. Like, "Dude. How could you do this?"

The second one was when another reporter stated to him, " what happened?" There was something about the phrasing and the tone i that I think indicated a feeling on the part of the reporter that Chris knew exactly what happened. Ultimately what happened with his family. And Chris's reaction although very slight was interesting as well. I thought I detected a little flinch.

Finally, Chris' comments were almost identical in at least two of the interviews. We haven't touched on that too much. Like he rehearsed. Did anyone catch that?

His demeanor during the second court appearance fascinated me. He didn’t have the “I’m gonna beat this,” swagger and confidence that Scott Peterson had. He struck me as a little kid, scared to death, almost ashamed,”Yes, sir, No, sir,” like he wanted to withdraw, disappear, melt into the floor. I didn’t pick up any remorse vibe, though, it was more of a, “What have I done? They got me, there’s no way out, and I’ve got to sit here and take it.”

 

[cottonweaver]

*****As is necessary when making a posting of this nature, please understand that I am only looking at the facts as they have been presented. Any speculation presented is that of my own making and not a regurgitation of someone else’s thoughts. Further, these thoughts are exactly that, my own personal thoughts regarding this case. I have no personal knowledge, connection or insider information regarding this case and have used my experience in Law Enforcement and Forensic Psychology to formulate my theory. I have reviewed all available documentation I considered to be relevant in order to formulate this theory.*****

The “picture perfect family” that SW portrayed in her social media accounts very likely existed to her. She very likely loved her husband dearly, treasured the life and home she had (especially after overcoming such a surmountable bankruptcy) and very obviously loved her children. So, while many are wondering why it seemed they have a perfect life, remember that in the eyes of SW, everything probably appeared to be wonderful.

It's my opinion that CW reached his decision to end his “family life” after having spent a few weeks alone and while SW was away at work. While I obviously do not know for sure, I do not believe it was for him to be with his mistress. I instead conclude that he simply saw the freedom that came with a “family free” life and after all the stress and complications felt during the 2015 bankruptcy proceedings, CW decided his best option would be to terminate their lives rather than divorce and endure those financial constraints.

It is very likely that CW killed his daughters on 8/12/18, prior to SW returning home. This was done by means of strangulation which was confirmed by CW (though he blames SW for the act, but forensic evaluation can determine this definitively). When SW finally returned home at 0200, he likely accosted her then. Again, she was also likely strangled. I was not able to find information that specifically stated her cause of death but would imagine that his story would be accurate as he self-confessed to this portion.

He is then seen on security camera footage backing his truck up to his garage at 5:27am on 8/13/18, approximately three hours after SW returns home. It is at this time when he is in fact loading the three deceased bodies into his pickup to dispose of them. He then proceeds to drive 60 miles to a location he is familiar with through work. He opens two crude oil storage containers and places each daughter into one, then closed them back up. It is VERY UNLIKELY that any useable forensic evidence will be recovered from these oil storage containers. Without going into a long-drawn-out reason why, just think about what happens when we have an oil spill and you’ll start to understand why it’s unlikely. He also dug a rudimentary shallow grave where SW was placed. This low-quality attempt at discarding her body displays his lack of caring if she was discovered. His true intent was to keep the girls hidden. I think there may have been an initial plan to have her body found and the girls never found. Blame her murder on someone else with the girls being listed as missing persons to potentially be found and linked to their mother sometime in the future.

For the next 3 days, CW pretends as if he has no idea what happened to his wife and children. There are so many different potential psychological abnormalities that could have caused this, but I prefer to go with Occam’s Razor. He simply was playing dumb for as long as possible in the hopes of getting away with it for as long as possible. It’s literally as simple as that. Not one reason has been presented by CW or his defense for why he perpetuated this lie, and, in my experience, it is very likely that the defense will shy away from this fact come trial.

As for the further release of information, I think we can expect to find out some more details when he appears on 11/19/18 but don’t expect much. It’s likely that he will enter his plea, possible attempt to renegotiate bail/bond and it will be over.


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Thankyou for that and taking the time to do it.
Can I ask you about a couple of forensic points as there are too many interesting points to ask.

If the girls were strangled can I ask why you think there won't be any evidence? eg hyoid fracture. ( Am not expecting such heavy compression as other chest injuries - sorry to be graphic.)
If they were suffocated instead, isn't it also possible to do some kind of brain material tests too?
I need a refresher on all this ( last looked at it during a trial over a year ago and I don't tend to recall all the very in-depth tech aspects.)

 

[Bill Carson]

I agree. I think he was also shocked that LE was asking him if he was having an affair, and probably some other pointed questions. I would think that by the time he gave those media interviews, he had to have some awareness that LE was suspicious of him.

A smart person would----

 

[TexasTS]

I wonder what his history of lying is? I have been able to watch a sociopath (I diagnosed and I have no credentials) lie over and over again. He does not care that he lies. He lies wven when presented with video tape proof.

Is CW comfortable with lying and thinking he can get out of anything? I think those kind of pathological liars think they are invincible

Maybe CW has had a lifetime to practice. No knowing much about his past, it's hard to tell. From what I understand, those people will even lie when they don't need to lie or lie about the most trivial things. Their favorite word is "deny." They perceive they can do no wrong and if they do, then there must have been a good reason. Like killing SW because he thought she killed the baby (even though we know that's probably not what happened). I said earlier that some parts of their stories are truth and some parts are lies - that's a good example. He did kill SW but the part about the baby being blue was probably a lie OR another half-truth, the baby "was" blue but "after" he strangled her.

 

[BingoBongo]

After reading about horrific cases today via WS and more, I had to do something that lightened my mood and brought beauty to my day (pressing flowers). In hopes it brings some joy to you too and lightens your spirit.

Life is so short, let's live it to the fullest of our abiltities, enjoy the beauty all around us, and show those we love just how much they mean to us.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

I agree and I don't think CW is a rational, right thinking person. I believe, based on everything we've seen to date that he fully intended to try to get away with this.

I'm not sure about that. I still think he snapped when she walked in the door, he killed her and then he killed the children. In the heat of the moment, I don't believe he was thinking that far ahead. When he realized the magnitude of what he had just done, he tried to cover it up. I do think it's possible he's grieving his family.

I know it's not a popular scenario. But I'm having a hard time thinking he killed the babies first.

 

[wyldcynic]

The part about "It scares the living crap out of me right now just knowing that it's come to this." "What" has come to this? And what is "this" in his mind. I've always heard when people tell massive lies like this over and over to cover something up that parts of it are lies, parts are total fiction, and parts are truth. He's done it all in his media interviews including what he told LE after arrest. Would be interesting to break down his statements to the media/LE into lies, fiction, and truth based on facts as we know them to be so far.

To me it seems another mention of disbelief. Like “I can’t believe one minute we’re arguing and now here I am about to be arrested for killing everyone and throwing my kids in an oil well.” It’s scary to him how quickly events led to this point of no return. I think he knows exactly how horrific the situation is, but I don’t feel a sense of personal responsibility.