CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #18

[MassGuy]

Forgive my ignorance. but do you lose a life insurance policy when you file for bankruptcy? Are these LIP's worth anything to CW? Adding a MOO.

There’s no word on their value, or if they were or were not offered through his employer. As long as payments continued to be made, the policy would remain active, regardless of bankruptcy. There is also no information as to if these policies were in effect at the time of the killings.

 

[nwmouse]

There’s no word on their value, or if they were or were not offered through his employer. As long as payments continued to be made, the policy would remain active, regardless of bankruptcy. There is also no information as to if these policies were in effect at the time of the killings.

Thank you!

 

[Layla123]

Hmm. Interesting. Pay attention to what your friends are saying. Pay attention to what they text you.
Maybe she did know a bit more.

At the very least, NU knew more than, “there was some speculation” about an affair. When you trust a friend enough to have this type of conversation, you tell everything. You give examples of things you caught him doing that he shouldn’t have been doing. You say things like, “What do you think? Am I just being paranoid?”

 

[Allabouttrial]

Could the slow down in family videos be from them physically being apart in July and August? SW in NC, CW in CO.
SW had her little girls with her, and the stay in
NC should have been a very happy time with the girls doing fun things with grandma, grandpa and the uncle. There should have been many things to capture on video and share on FB. JMO, I don't think this was a happy time for SW.

It is hard to say whether SW had confirmed an affair or affairs before she went to NC, but JMO, I don't think so. SW had told a friend or friends that CW wasn't being his normal, loving self and SW was starting to wonder if he was having an affair because of his attitude change. JMO.

SW's suspicions may have grown very serious when she got to NC. He may have been with AP and wasn't answering her calls and was slow to return calls, not calling her as frequently as normal, etc. JMO

A combination of attitude change and lack of accountability from their husband is enough to turn many wives into detectives. I tend to think SW discovered the affair or affairs when she was in NC. It appears the first any of SW's friends heard of a separation was when the beautician who worked with SW's mother mentioned it in an interview. JMO. I recall one of the very early interviews with N. In this interview, she said when she called CW when she was at the house on Monday, he started to tell her about a separation and that was the first she'd heard of that and it was out of context for what was going on at the moment, and she told him "you either will or won't work that out." Her only concern at that time was finding SW and the girls and making sure they were ok.

The one thing I've not seen mentioned is why CW went to NC for the last week. Was his trip to NC planned when SW made her plans for the trip or was it a last minute thing. Does anyone know?

It was planned a few weeks in advance, according to SW's FB.

 

[gitana1]

I’ve been following for quite a while - off and on - just not participating. But the minute I saw his interview, I knew he was full of it.

I’ve also seen enough over the years, though - both personally and professionally - to take a step back and gather the information before drawing my own conclusions. Things are not *always* as they seem (though in this case they may be)

I guess I made that assumption based on your statement that you can't imagine something like this. Those of us who've followed these cases for decades sadly can.

But that's not to say we rush to judgment without analyzing the case.

Do you think this case differs in general motive and character of the accused from the ones I've listed? If so in what ways? Or do you think those other men actually were good fathers and loved their kids too prior to murdering them?

If you can, would you be willing to explain in what way CW's post-murder behavior indicates to you that he loved his kids and felt remorse?

I mean it's interesting. I'm not seeing that. I think I'm pretty good at analyzing things logically. Not necessarily without emotion though because emotion can be a crucial component to logic. Emotion has to do with human behavior and norms of human behavior, including how sociopathic type criminals behave, people without a conscience, people who are guilty and have no remorse, people who are guilty but have remorse, people who are innocent, etc., are a part of any logical analysis of something like this. You know what I mean?

So I'm curious. Maybe there's something I'm missing here.

 

[MassGuy]

At the very least, NU knew more than, “there was some speculation” about an affair. When you trust a friend enough to have this type of conversation, you tell everything. You give examples of things you caught him doing that he shouldn’t have been doing. You say things like, “What do you think? Am I just being paranoid?”

Agreed. And I’m sure she’s divulged all to LE, even though she hasn’t to the media, which is exactly what she should do.

I hope that during his decades behind bars, C.W., seethes as to how his woman screwed up his evil plan. He wouldn’t have gotten away with it anyway, but he strikes me as the type of guy who would see her as being responsible for his situation, as absurd as that is.

 

[gitana1]

One more observation: A former teacher of CW had this to say: "The guy had a photographic memory," Duty remembered. "I said, 'Chris, if I ever had a student who was going to be tremendously successful, it's you.". I'm still wondering if CW has Asperger's. MOO.

I saw a quote by a former classmate from high school- can't remember where- and he said that that's interesting but CW never stood out as anything but totally average. His grades were below average. He was quiet. Nothing special at all.

 

[Amandaaa]

I guess I made that assumption based on your statement that you can't imagine something like this. Those of us who've followed these cases for decades sadly can.

But that's not to say we rush to judgment without analyzing the case.

Do you think this case differs in general motive and character of the accused from the ones I've listed? If so in what ways? Or do you think those other men actually were good fathers and loved their kids too prior to murdering them?

If you can, would you be willing to explain in what way CW's post-murder behavior indicates to you that he loved his kids and felt remorse?

I mean it's interesting. I'm not seeing that. I think I'm pretty good at analyzing things logically. Not necessarily without emotion though because emotion can be a crucial component to logic. Emotion has to do with human behavior and norms of human behavior, including how sociopathic type criminals behave, people without a conscience, people who are guilty and have no remorse, people who are guilty but have remorse, people who are innocent, etc., are a part of any logical analysis of something like this. You know what I mean?

So I'm curious. Maybe there's something I'm missing here.

I mean “can’t imagine” as in, how a human being could act in that manner - the thought process behind the actions, I guess. I am fully aware that it *does* happen, though - all too often, unfortunately.

Off to make dinner for 6 teenage boys - will try to answer in more detail later.

 

[Colorado303]

Not to mention that CW also didn't know the name of (playdate) friend!

Or acknowledge that she had a doctors appt she’d surely mentioned to him.

 

[Mrspratcher]

The difference for me is that whatever state, rage or mental break he must have entered at the moment he killed the girls would have had to of passed to enable him to rationally back up the van to the back door and load his families bodies in. In that rational, albeit self preservation mindset he SHOULD of wanted more for his children's bodies than a dirty tank of oil. Surely he would have wanted them to be laid to rest somewhere peaceful with dignity, maybe somewhere together with their mother. This to me is the most horrifying thing he could of done.

Backed up his truck to load his “tools”. Pathetic.

 

[mtnlites]

Everybody keeps going on about the tanks. Everything he did was horrible.
He couldn't take then anywhere else IMO. Everywhere he went was going to be known that day.

Putting the bodies in bags and disposing of them was going to be horrible any way you/I look at it.
Would putting them in a shallow grave too be (I don't know what word to use)... better?
Burning? Every way is absolutely evil considering they were his children/wife.
I don't really get the significance of the tanks but I understand the anger.
Panicked, nowhere to turn, nowhere to go, no believable story, NO right to do what he did.

In the broad scheme of things, tanks were better than burning the bodies. If he'd burned them, there'd be little physical evidence-if any- left on them. So there's that at least.

 

[Layla123]

Agreed. And I’m sure she’s divulged all to LE, even though she hasn’t to the media, which is exactly what she should do.

I hope that during his decades behind bars, C.W., seethes as to how his woman screwed up his evil plan. He wouldn’t have gotten away with it anyway, but he strikes me as the type of guy who would see her as being responsible for his situation, as absurd as that is.

Which is one of the reasons why CW must never be released from jail. NU will never feel safe.

 

[Colorado303]

Aww. Bless your soul. I'm so sorry you are exposed to that ugly noise. It's got to be painful.

Thanks. But we’re all exposed to it more and more each day, with this case other crimes and just day to day conversational posts. Crazy rationalizations, conspiracy theories, lies and witch hunts are becoming so common they’re soon be the new normal. Then what?

 

[Inthedetails]

After running this by a moderator, I am posting this. I hope it’s ok. There is a live video of NU (Nicole Atkinson) tearfully explaining why she felt the need to call for the welfare check. She recorded it after receiving many nasty comments on her fb page. I can’t provide a link. It is against the rules, I hope I’ve provided enough clues.

You are awesome for running this post by a moderator. Now to follow the bread crumbs....

 

[mtnlites]

Or acknowledge that she had a doctors appt she’d surely mentioned to him.

I don't think she DID tell him about the appt. I think that was another kink in his plans; he hadn't expected her to have anything scheduled in which she might be missed. If he'd known about the appt, I think he would've used it. Saying, "A friend was coming to get her to take her to the doctor", and being vague on the friend's name, sounds less sketchier than the juvenile "playdate."

 

[nwmouse]

At the very least, NU knew more than, “there was some speculation” about an affair. When you trust a friend enough to have this type of conversation, you tell everything. You give examples of things you caught him doing that he shouldn’t have been doing. You say things like, “What do you think? Am I just being paranoid?”

ABSOLUTELY! Its a woman's intuition, you see the warning signs and ask a trusted friend for input.

 

[gitana1]

I mean “can’t imagine” as in, how a human being could act in that manner - the thought process behind the actions, I guess. I am fully aware that it *does* happen, though - all too often, unfortunately.

Off to make dinner for 6 teenage boys - will try to answer in more detail later.

Oh man! Sounds like fun and craziness at your house!

 

[Colorado303]

Could the slow down in family videos be from them physically being apart in July and August? SW in NC, CW in CO.

SW had her little girls with her, and the stay in
NC should have been a very happy time with the girls doing fun things with grandma, grandpa and the uncle. There should have been many things to capture on video and share on FB. JMO, I don't think this was a happy time for SW.

It is hard to say whether SW had confirmed an affair or affairs before she went to NC, but JMO, I don't think so. SW had told a friend or friends that CW wasn't being his normal, loving self and SW was starting to wonder if he was having an affair because of his attitude change. JMO.

SW's suspicions may have grown very serious when she got to NC. He may have been with AP and wasn't answering her calls and was slow to return calls, not calling her as frequently as normal, etc. JMO

A combination of attitude change and lack of accountability from their husband is enough to turn many wives into detectives. I tend to think SW discovered the affair or affairs when she was in NC. It appears the first any of SW's friends heard of a separation was when the beautician who worked with SW's mother mentioned it in an interview. JMO. I recall one of the very early interviews with N. In this interview, she said when she called CW when she was at the house on Monday, he started to tell her about a separation and that was the first she'd heard of that and it was out of context for what was going on at the moment, and she told him "you either will or won't work that out." Her only concern at that time was finding SW and the girls and making sure they were ok.

The one thing I've not seen mentioned is why CW went to NC for the last week. Was his trip to NC planned when SW made her plans for the trip or was it a last minute thing. Does anyone know?[/QUOTE]
Let’s not forget the MIL bringing ice cream w/peanuts into the home despite one of the girls extreme allergies. That happened about the same time the video posts slowed down. That put a huge strain on SW relationship w/the MIL (or perhaps emded it completely) and no doubt that spilled over to tension between CW and SW, especially if he was close to his parents. We know the peanut thing happened, we have no evidence SW found out about the affair. Only that the thought had crossed her mind that he might be having one.

 

[Seattle1]

Are you sure that AB said that there was a policy, or was she simply speculating? I haven’t heard anything about a policy, and I think that would be big news, as that would lead to a possible motive.
Edit* I just watched the video and the life insurance is in relation to a 2015 bankruptcy document. He was earning $2400 bi-weekly and was paying $1.20 for Bella and $3.00 for life insurance on Shanann.

Forgive my ignorance. but do you lose a life insurance policy when you file for bankruptcy? Are these LIP's worth anything to CW? Adding a MOO.

BBM
I suspect these were term policies, and you lose them if/when you default on paying the premiums, but not because you file BK.

 

[Colorado303]

SW had her little girls with her, and the stay in
NC should have been a very happy time with the girls doing fun things with grandma, grandpa and the uncle. There should have been many things to capture on video and share on FB. JMO, I don't think this was a happy time for SW.

It is hard to say whether SW had confirmed an affair or affairs before she went to NC, but JMO, I don't think so. SW had told a friend or friends that CW wasn't being his normal, loving self and SW was starting to wonder if he was having an affair because of his attitude change. JMO.

SW's suspicions may have grown very serious when she got to NC. He may have been with AP and wasn't answering her calls and was slow to return calls, not calling her as frequently as normal, etc. JMO

A combination of attitude change and lack of accountability from their husband is enough to turn many wives into detectives. I tend to think SW discovered the affair or affairs when she was in NC. It appears the first any of SW's friends heard of a separation was when the beautician who worked with SW's mother mentioned it in an interview. JMO. I recall one of the very early interviews with N. In this interview, she said when she called CW when she was at the house on Monday, he started to tell her about a separation and that was the first she'd heard of that and it was out of context for what was going on at the moment, and she told him "you either will or won't work that out." Her only concern at that time was finding SW and the girls and making sure they were ok.

The one thing I've not seen mentioned is why CW went to NC for the last week. Was his trip to NC planned when SW made her plans for the trip or was it a last minute thing. Does anyone know?

Let’s not forget the MIL bringing ice cream w/peanuts into the home despite one of the girls extreme allergies. That happened about the same time the video posts slowed down. That put a huge strain on SW relationship w/the MIL (or perhaps emded it completely) and no doubt that spilled over to tension between CW and SW, especially if he was close to his parents. We know the peanut thing happened, we have no evidence SW found out about the affair. Only that the thought had crossed her mind that he might be having one.[/QUOTE]
So sorry to whoever’s wuote showed up under my name—thought I was replying to the quote—obviously user ignorance.