Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #20

[moonlessnight]

He seems like a loving dad. WTH happened? How could he kill those precious children?

 

[Jennifer17]

It seems from the videos, she orders him to do a lot of things and he obeys. IMO

Well, more fool him.

 

[Jennifer17]

I don't see anything specifically horrible in the videos. After all, the kids were not abused, and CW could have refused to participate in the game.

The only thing that comes to my mind is that for SW, everything was about appearances. And it is not because she needed to promote her Thrive - rather, she became such a good seller because she could put on a good show.

I think that initially, CW was besotted with her. She was the talkative one, the emotional one, the social one. But maybe at a certain moment, he got tired of all this noisy show? Especially since he (as I suspect) had some problem with expressive speech. So he started drifting away, into the relationships where he was more in control, and also, maybe, ughm... less public? (Obviously less public since he kept them a secret).

Now, all that I wrote is in no way victim-blaming. Simply, these two people were very different and probably not a good match. A divorce is always an option, anything but this horror...and I hope the judges will be just, because he killed three people and an unborn child. SW does not come across as mean, not at all, and she probably was naive if she trusted CW, she was merely slightly too extraverted with her social media.

She also was a home owner.

 

[KALI]

Just sad.
Silly stuff. But huge in the long run.
This may be the first murder trial where social media takes front and center.
I am sorry Shannon, Bella and CeCe and Nico that IMO your father and husband murdered you and dumped your little girl bodies in vats of oil...alledgedly.
I am sorry Shannan, that alledgedly, your best friend buried you quickly in a shallow grave next to your children floating in a vat of oil.
May you all find some peace. Prayers for the families, all.

@PommyMommy here is the link for that video.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154626858886935

 

[human]

Thank you so much! Love my fellow Wsers. I had a visceral reaction to this one. Will be interested in others’ thoughts.

It was horrible. So cruel. Bizarre. And then to try to get Cece out,

I think in the checkers game she was very cruel. And then to have a conversation about him as a loser talking to her friend. Wow.

 

[Ronso]

Ronson, we are just discussing the dynamics of the family. SW and the girls are beyond help, but maybe for ourselves, to learn something? For our kids?

There's discussing dynamics, and then there's pulling random stuff out of your (all-encompassing, not you specifically) a**. Seeing humiliation in those videos is about as evidence-based as saying they were illicit drug users. There's no evidence for the claim. If he was scowling, or straight-faced, or not going along with it, ok. But he is laughing and smiling and fully-participating.

It just seems to me that some people are just not okay with the dynamic that the woman is the dominant one of the relationship (or that it has to be a "problematic" dynamic if she is).

 

[Deleted member 117120]

Hi longtime lurker, new member here!

What I see in the videos is very telling about Chris Watts. He does whatever she tells him to do and is the one constantly tending to the kids while she makes videos for people online. I think he was resentful of getting put in this position so often for the sake of her fans. I get the sense that he is very introverted and most likely did not want to be in the video about losing the chess game or pie in the face, but what can you do in a live video? You don’t protest, you just do it quietly... I am the same way (and no I’m not sympathizing with him, he clearly is sick and a horrible person), however I get closed off and very submissive around loud and extroverted people. They make me uncomfortable. Truth be told my own kids sometimes get me to snap into the zombie-quiet-dutiful mode just because I’m going through the motions and want to be done with whatever we are doing. That’s what I see in Chris ... someone who is going through the motions, being dutiful, but is seething on the inside. Even his “nice nice nice nice, give me a high five” doesn’t seem natural in the pie video. I do the same thing when I’m uncomfortable, I’ll repeat the same phrase over and over again and it comes off awkward. And in Shannann I see some passive aggressive anger/resentment at Chris. Maybe they were just in a funk and she got annoyed easily with him. My husband and I went through a funk where we went to marriage counseling and I remember he annoyed me a lot then.

Nevertheless, none of these things makes you kill. If he was so unhappy which is what I see, then he should have asked for a divorce. I also don’t believe for one second that HE was the one who wanted a 3rd kid. I think that was just the narrative she gave online & im guessing it pissed him off quietly like everything else she said to him/about him online.

Welcome Ginger, excellent point of view. In order to understand the atrocities that occurred you have to identify what triggered CW to do what he did even if it is unpopular to do so and is by no means blaming SW.

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

Maybe some of the furniture, but not all of it. I saw in google images of said N.C. House, that the mirror in the front room of CO House was also in the N.C. house. Unless she bought the same mirror again.

It seems reasonable to assume that SW brought some accessories like mirrors along to CO.

 

[Inthedetails]

I'm not so sure Bella likes being squirted. She doesn't really look like it. She reminds me of kids that tolerate being bullied because they crave the attention of the bullies.

Sort of like, if I have to get squirted in the face for you to pay attention to me, mommy, then please squirt me.

The squirting went on for so long - I found that strange. I thought it was almost setting up this child to get in trouble later - she could do something another child doesn't like, but won't know to stop even when told to stop. I just thought it was too much (and not appreciated when reciprocated, I noticed).

Hard to comment on these videos as SW is a victim and undeserving for what happened to her. I haven't changed my mind at all - I don't think she harmed her girls that night of the murders. But....the videos are a bit hard to watch now.

jmo

 

[MyBelle]

Respectfully.. I see a mamma playing with her babies. Bella is laughing & seems to love it. If she were crying or trying to get away, it would be different. Jmo

Bella was trying to get away. It was such a confined space, she had nowhere to go and Mommy wouldn't let her squirt her because she had a phone. JMO

 

[brookryn]

It seems reasonable to assume that SW brought some accessories like mirrors along to CO.

Just was stating I recognized it is all

 

[Jennifer17]

It seems reasonable to assume that SW brought some accessories like mirrors along to CO.

Yes, smallish things could be transported in her car.

 

[daisy6441]

Just sad.
Silly stuff. But huge in the long run.
This may be the first murder trial where social media takes front and center.
I am sorry Shannon, Bella and CeCe and Nico that IMO your father and husband murdered you and dumped your little girl bodies in vats of oil...alledgedly.
I am sorry Shannan, that alledgedly, your best friend buried you quickly in a shallow grave next to your children floating in a vat of oil.
May you all find some peace. Prayers for the families, all.

It seems like he would have buried them together or dumped them all in the oil. Were the kids separated or together? I wonder if he decided to bury her because he realized he couldn't climb the ladder while carrying her? Or was the tank the kind where the ladder is built like stairs?

 

[Deleted member 117120]

There's discussing dynamics, and then there's pulling random stuff out of your (all-encompassing, not you specifically) a**. Seeing humiliation in those videos is about as evidence-based as saying they were illicit drug users. There's no evidence for the claim. If he was scowling, or straight-faced, or not going along with it, ok. But he is laughing and smiling and fully-participating.

It just seems to me that some people are just not okay with the dynamic that the woman is the dominant one of the relationship (or that it has to be a "problematic" dynamic if she is).

Being a dominant personality is commendable but being passive aggressive and demanding towards one's partner is different altogether.

 

[Jennifer17]

Bella was trying to get away. It was such a confined space, she had nowhere to go and Mommy wouldn't let her squirt her because she had a phone. JMO

But kids do that. They love all the screaming and drama during games.

 

[Ginger_Hazel]

Whoa, dramatics much? lol He's smiling and going right along with it and having a good time. I see no evidence of humiliation.

I need to sit on my hands. This thread is getting ridiculous now.

Except he murdered his whole family, so you have to look at what’s really happening behind the smile.

 

[moonlessnight]

he seems to me to be playing the part while there are witnesses (company). When you are married to a sociopath, they usually don't have the first clue, or care what to do as part of the family. They can play the part in front of witnesses. To get them to participate usually takes a fair amount of coaxing an coaching. this might seem like bossing. It is creepy to me the way he lurks behind the young child behind the door in the spray bottle video. SW has shown nothing but a doting mom who adores her kids. CW acts just like my ex did when we lived in CO. I swear that place is cursed. I feel that I got out just in the nick of time. I do feel he would have killed me eventually. It is difficult to get an understanding of family dynamics through video clips. But his distance and lack of spontaneous participation is a big tell about his social skills behind the scenes. He seems distant and removed and just lost - uninterested. seems like he did the bait and switch on her and she got stuck with a loser - a killer. She stood in his way - prob confronted him about the affair - and he got her and the kids out of his way. Typical narcissistic sociopath - violent only when you are in between them and their desire.

 

[moonlessnight]

But kids do that. They love all the screaming and drama during games.

nothing disturbing about this video except the creepy guy lurking behind the small child behind the door.

 

[Jennifer17]

Being a dominant personality is one commendable but being passive aggressive and demanding towards one's partner is different altogether.

So, she is now both a dominant personality and a passive aggressive, demanding partner.
I have seen her described as both. But she is dead and he is alive.

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

Just was stating I recognized it is all

I recognized it too. It helped verify for me that the NC furnishings indeed belonged to SW and were not placed in the house by real estate "stagers."