Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #23

[Gardenista]

So if you flip that, could it also not be said SW was complimenting CW just for video?

From what @gitana1 has posted, it would make sense that he needs that kind of ego-stroking.

 

[esmerelda]

Really? It’s here? It would take forever to search! Maybe whoever posted it will see this![/Q Yes it is. I wish I could help but I'm headed to bed , start looking in thread 10 maybe. They moved so fast I can't even begin to guess

 

[Layla123]

Yeah, the trash bags comment had me reeling. My brother was beat to death when I was 5, and biological mom & her bf buried him in the backyard in two black trash bags. His body was so badly decomposed when police found him a month later, that they couldn’t tell cause of death. Her bf served time, but Utah had crap laws back then and both he & my biological mother are out in public living like normal people. Biological mother still to this day tells all the same lies. She said she found God in prison, but that’s crap, & she’s still just as shittay of a person as she was back when she sat on the couch & smoked a cigarette when it all happened.

I’ve tried to honestly keep an open mind about this case, but CW has the same dead cold eyes look that my biological mother has.

I hate tapping “Like” on your post. How awful it must have been to have experienced this. Jeez. I’m so sorry you had to live through that.

 

[MassGuy]

Is there a link to him stuffing them in trash bags? This is the first I have heard this and suddenly it is mentioned in several posts.

This rumor has taken on a life of its own. I can find absolutely no mention of their bodies being placed in trash bags.

The media reported that trash bags (likely containing evidence) were taken from the home on the day the bodies were discovered. Perhaps someone put the two together. Who knows?

 

[esmerelda]

Is there a link to him stuffing them in trash bags? This is the first I have heard this and suddenly it is mentioned in several posts.

Nothing was said about "stuffing them in trash bags" just CW was seen putting trash bags into the truck along with a gas can, per the neighbors camera

 

[Colorado303]

@Colorado303 Were you fb friends with CW? Can you tell us about his photos and videos? Was he as loving and complimentary toward SW as she was toward him?

I think my answer I just gave to another question covers this, but please let me know if not.

 

[MyBelle]

My husband and I make fun of each other in public all the time. He is British and sarcastic and it's fun.

I have been in an emotionally abusive relationship. Gaslighted. Told I was stupid and ugly and worthless at every turn. My credit cards canceled while I was out so that I would be embarassed when I tried to pay for something. Pointing out embarassing things about my body and our sex life in public. Complaining that I wasn't dead yet.

There were certainly no loving embraces, no teary FB videos about how much he loved me, no wide smiles as we posed together in fun and exotic locations.

I get that not everyone has that ribbing kind of relationship and therefore it is hard to understand. But to refer to it as "abusive" is going too far, IMO, and does nothing to bring awareness to relationships that truly are dangerous.

Emotionally abusive relationships are dangerous. I sure had no problem obtaining an emergency protection order for my daughter and granddaughter based on emotional abuse conveyed on social media and in texts. It is still in effect more than a year later.
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/mental-whatis-domestic-abuse#1
http://www.newschannel10.com/story/...ify-that-employers-need-hr-documents-in-order

 

[MsBetsy]

Honestly I cannot remember but this was early on in these threads.Like 2nd 3rd page. IIRC it may have been in a written news report

Well, it makes sense that he would have to conceal them. I wonder if that's also what he used the sheet for, that was found in the field.

 

[margarita25]

Thanks Colorado303 for that insight. That notion that SW was all about "let's work together and try and fix it" type makes me absolutely think that it was CW who launched a bomb on SW that morning and said he wanted out of their marriage on no uncertain terms and not SW wanting to leave CW.

It’s just awful how she must have felt, the hurt and pain of knowing he was messing around while she was pregnant with his child and them having a home and “life” and family together which was obviously so important to her...infidelity, deception, betrayal, abandonment are all such horribly painful feelings. I think she very likely told him in her very rightfully angry mind what an awful person he really is and how she was going to take him to the cleaners and maybe even expose him somehow (eta: which is what I did). My heart goes out to Shanann in soooo many ways.

 

[moonlessnight]

I agree. But the trash bags has me seething at the moment. I just can’t for the life of me understand how someone does these kind of things. How one can hurt innocent children, and just dispose of them like they’re trash. I’ve witnessed it first hand, and still can’t wrap my brain around it.

they believe they have the absolute right to determine the fate of their "possessions" - their family. they feel they have the right to murder them if they are not providing what the abuser believes he deserves, or if they are standing in the way of what he believes he deserves. we have to come to grips with the entitlement of males in the country ( and many others) believe they deserve over women and children. Women are so confused and believe they are dealing with humans like them when they enter in relationships with men. The fact is, men are trained to go after what they want regardless of consequences. it is unmanly not to achieve your goals. whatever it takes - the end justifies the means. Women are trained to give others what they want. Women have no idea what mens' real beliefs, attitudes, and entitlements - towards them and towards children - are. we are raised with the wool over our eyes.

I know not all men are like this but I am so tired of men behaving this way and damaging women and children. I want women to understand what we are really dealing with when facing men. they are all capable of "snapping", or turning on us. they all have it embedded in their psyche. not all men do it, but it's there nonetheless. some only do it a little bit now and then. some hide it. sometimes it never comes out. sometimes they are never caught. sometimes the women they are with acquiesce enough not to "trigger" them. but you can never truly know how or when or if a man will betray you (and your life) to get something he wants and believes he deserves - unless you get to your death bed and your male partner hasn't betrayed you.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Yeah, the trash bags comment had me reeling. My brother was beat to death when I was 5, and biological mom & her bf buried him in the backyard in two black trash bags. His body was so badly decomposed when police found him a month later, that they couldn’t tell cause of death. Her bf served time, but Utah had crap laws back then and both he & my biological mother are out in public living like normal people. Biological mother still to this day tells all the same lies. She said she found God in prison, but that’s crap, & she’s still just as shittay of a person as she was back when she sat on the couch & smoked a cigarette when it all happened.

I’ve tried to honestly keep an open mind about this case, but CW has the same dead cold eyes look that my biological mother has.

I'm so sorry.....so sorry!

 

[Colorado303]

BRAVO! So glad you are here. I don't know anyone who could have their lives dissected and criticized and come up looking perfect.

WORD! I know people would have a field day with mine. (and thanks for the warm welcome)

 

[mtnlites]

Emotionally abusive relationships are dangerous. I sure had no problem obtaining an emergency protection order for my daughter and granddaughter based on emotional abuse conveyed on social media and in texts. It is still in effect more than a year later.
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/mental-whatis-domestic-abuse#1

That is exactly what I was saying in my post.

Actual emotionally abusive relationships are dangerous. I am not goung to be convinced that SW was abusive to her husband based on a few cheŕry picked Facebook videos and I think it is a disservice to women who really ARE being abused to compare.

 

[Sleuthine]

I don't think too much of the doll photo. It's definitely creepy now that we know something happened to those poor babies, but I can see kids doing that, especially little CeCe. To me, it looks like the doll is actually wrapped/rolled (not just covered up) in some kind of paper, maybe wrapping paper. It has folds in it like the folded sheets of wrapping paper you can buy. I can see a child laying a doll on a piece of wrapping paper and rolling it up and putting it on a sofa and saying it's sleeping. Kids do funny things like that.

That pictures creeps me out a lot and I would disagree. For the record: My kids (similar age) play a lot with dolls, wrap dolls, even cover their heads, but IMO wouldn't/couldn't have done this ensemble as seen in the photo. It is too neat and too arranged. The doll is even laying in the middle of the sofa, the pillows placed so nicely - nah, it doesn't look like young child's play to me.

Someone on here said it is a Twister mat.

 

[moonlessnight]

That's different, then. Usually you can't keep your house, Its kind of like giving up everything and starting over. I know I had the choice and wanted to save my house so that's why I did not file chapter 7. Maybe their dept wasn't that much. Otherwise I don't know how in the world they could have made the payments on the house.

you can keep your house if your equity does not exceed exemptions, and if you are current and stay current on the mortgage.

 

[Allabouttrial]

From what @gitana1 has posted, it would make sense that he needs that kind of ego-stroking.

I understand but as he hasn't been officially diagnosed yet I'm going to stand by my roles reversed theory for now.

 

[Charlot123]

SBM.

I get that his actions after the "event" are unexplainable. But if it was all CYA, then he did a terrible job of it--not taking her phone or purse, not cleaning up the house, leaving sheets in the trash can, not having a plausible explanation for her disappearance.

My only explanation is that he disassociated himself with the act, went into shock, and everything that occurred after the violent event was zombie-like, almost in a trance, autopilot.

I suspect that he may have intended to commit suicide (like 81% of other family annihilators), but he didn't get a chance to finish what he started. He was caught off guard by NU and never got a chance to go back to the tank site to take his own life.

I think the trance could have been during the killings. Not that he did not understand what he was doing, but still some form of dissociation. It won't stand in court, but maybe this is how he felt. Afterwards, he was himself.

 

[moonlessnight]

That pictures creeps me out a lot and I would disagree. For the record: My kids (similar age) play a lot with dolls, wrap dolls, even cover their heads, but IMO wouldn't/couldn't have done this assemble as seen in the photo. It is too neat and too arranged. The doll is even laying in the middle of the sofa, the pillows placed so nicely - nah, it doesn't look like young child's play to me.

totally agree. I know SW thinks her kids did it, but I entertain the possibility that CW did it to threaten her subconsciously. My daughter never ever did anything like that, although she does cut off the manes of her MLP's. girls do mutilate their barbies but usually later in childhood when barbie represents something "babyish" to them - something they've outgrown.

 

[MyBelle]

Did he admit to putting them in trash bags? That's how your post reads.

No it doesn't.. I clearly stated pages ago that it is my opinion CW placed the children in trash bags.

 

[Gardenista]

I understand but as he hasn't been officially diagnosed yet I'm going to stand by my roles reversed theory for now.

What's a roles reversed theory?