Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #24

[MassGuy]

Oh! I didnt even know about that house. <modsnip: no sleuthing family>

Yes. Shanann had her own house in N.C. before they got married. <modsnip>

 

[Lady Justice21]

Wow, sounds a lot easier than in NY

Assuming people agree on terms of divorce it's "easy." If not, it can certainly drag on and on. IMO

 

[MsBetsy]

I'm thoroughly confused at this point, seems even the MSM news may have made mistakes in reporting, then mix in the rumors, along with my personal thoughts = confusion.

There always seems to be a lot of mis information in the media. The Mollie Tibbitts case is a good example. It depends on the source as well. Jmo

 

[Tricia]

@Tricia

Can each thread have a sticky with the 3 V.I main comments that clarify questions answered and other things?

Or can we at least have a V.I thread where the only thing on there is a copy paste of their responses of pertinent information?

This way we don't have to stroll through 60 pages to see the V.I's input nor keep asking them the same questions over and over again.

Ok so I played around with this option and I can tell you it can't work mainly because of the time it will take to gather the posts and put them in a different thread.

BUT, there is no reason why anyone can't do exactly what I did when I started working on Dexter's suggestion. Make sure before you do this that you are in the Located forum. See in the upper right-hand corner you see a box that says "Search" In that box put in the VI"s name. Colorado303. Then you see a drop down box that gives you options. One option is "Posted by Member" and you put in the name of the VI again. Then you chose the option "Search this Forum Only" and you will get all of the VI's posts on one page. You have to click on each post to read it but that's it. You are all set. If you want to search an individual thread for all of the VI's posts go to that thread and search but instead of choosing "Search this Forum Only" you choose "Search this Thread Only".
Hope this makes sense.

If there was a way I could get all the VI's posts to copy over at the same time without having to click on each individual post to make a new thread it would be easy. You'll see how you have to click on each individual post to read. To copy a post we have to click on each individual post. After you clicked on each individual post you can then copy them over into the new thread. There are pages and pages of VI posts. It would take too long to do this. Best thing is for you to search for the posts.

 

[Shekkiec]

What I find rather surprising is in thread opinion is when verbal abuse of C.W. is discussed not only collaborated by her videos but a VI that has known them both many years it seems SW is validated . “ he had a mouth he could leave” “ it’s good natured ribbing “. But then saying she was a victim of DV with zero proof, zero witnesses and completely sympathizing again with her . I know many of you are married . But being in an abusive relationship is 180 degrees different . You become isolated , insecure , so worried about doing everything right it is overwhelming . You start believing you are a loser. You aren’t worthy .
There is proof from SW stating he was the calm one . She had confidence , wore the “pants” in the family and controlled everything. She traveled at will leaving kids with Chris or family if they both went and had daycare. I had to take a breath away from the thread bc I felt a lot of my feelings of insecurities from my ex coming back trying to express my opinion on here . I felt no one would believe me bc I had covered for him so long . Everyone loved him. He could go from full scream at me to polite conversation with someone on a phone , hang up immediately start screaming again.
It’s ironic to me bc we are Victim blaming him about the verbal abuse as we are saying we can’t victim blame her as a reason to look at the evidence she verbally abused him.
I am not saying bc she verbally abused him she deserved to die . I am saying I want both sides known to get a clear version of the truth .

 

[MsBetsy]

Assuming people agree on terms of divorce it's "easy." If not, it can certainly drag on and on. IMO

Well, yes, there is always that. I guess I mean if two people want a divorce it makes it difficult to have to wait a full year. I wasn't even thinking about if one person did not agree. I can see why that might be a problem.

 

[human]

In Colorado it's 90 days for a divorce if things go smoothly. It's also a no fault state, so "Irreconcilable Differences" is enough. Just filing the initial divorce secures your rights, you don't have to file for separation and convert to divorce.

* not a legal opinion, just my own based on personal and professional experience.

In MN which is also no fault, the husband ( for example has to leave the house, hopefully) and wife have to determine who will pay which bills, etc, This is determined during the legal separation.

 

[human]

Oh, I thought she lived in the house before they got married. I thought that's what Trinket said but I must be mistaking.

Her house in NC

 

[MassGuy]

What I find rather surprising is in thread opinion is when verbal abuse of C.W. is discussed not only collaborated by her videos but a VI that has known them both many years it seems SW is validated . “ he had a mouth he could leave” “ it’s good natured ribbing “. But then saying she was a victim of DV with zero proof, zero witnesses and completely sympathizing again with her . I know many of you are married . But being in an abusive relationship is 180 degrees different . You become isolated , insecure , so worried about doing everything right it is overwhelming . You start believing you are a loser. You aren’t worthy .
There is proof from SW stating he was the calm one . She had confidence , wore the “pants” in the family and controlled everything. She traveled at will leaving kids with Chris or family if they both went and had daycare. I had to take a breath away from the thread bc I felt a lot of my feelings of insecurities from my ex coming back trying to express my opinion on here . I felt no one would believe me bc I had covered for him so long . Everyone loved him. He could go from full scream at me to polite conversation with someone on a phone , hang up immediately start screaming again.
It’s ironic to me bc we are Victim blaming him about the verbal abuse as we are saying we can’t victim blame her as a reason to look at the evidence she verbally abused him.
I am not saying bc she verbally abused him she deserved to die . I am saying I want both sides known to get a clear version of the truth .

It simply isn’t possible to determine from the videos, along with the anecdotal evidence from people who knew Shanann and C.W., if there was any abuse going on, verbal or otherwise.

Everyone has their own perspective, based (mostly) on their own personal experiences. This means that making a determination is for now, inherently subjective, and thus flawed.

Some people look at the videos and see abuse. Others see a normal picture.

We simply cannot know what was normal for them, and what their feelings were at the time, and in general. Was it mean spirited? Was it good natured ribbing? Was it real? Was it an act?

If we had actual documented evidence of prior abuse (prior to the murders), then these videos MAY provide context. Right now, we simply don’t have that.

 

[Charlot123]

What I find rather surprising is in thread opinion is when verbal abuse of C.W. is discussed not only collaborated by her videos but a VI that has known them both many years it seems SW is validated . “ he had a mouth he could leave” “ it’s good natured ribbing “. But then saying she was a victim of DV with zero proof, zero witnesses and completely sympathizing again with her . I know many of you are married . But being in an abusive relationship is 180 degrees different . You become isolated , insecure , so worried about doing everything right it is overwhelming . You start believing you are a loser. You aren’t worthy .
There is proof from SW stating he was the calm one . She had confidence , wore the “pants” in the family and controlled everything. She traveled at will leaving kids with Chris or family if they both went and had daycare. I had to take a breath away from the thread bc I felt a lot of my feelings of insecurities from my ex coming back trying to express my opinion on here . I felt no one would believe me bc I had covered for him so long . Everyone loved him. He could go from full scream at me to polite conversation with someone on a phone , hang up immediately start screaming again.
It’s ironic to me bc we are Victim blaming him about the verbal abuse as we are saying we can’t victim blame her as a reason to look at the evidence she verbally abused him.
I am not saying bc she verbally abused him she deserved to die . I am saying I want both sides known to get a clear version of the truth .

I can imagine that people can snap if it comes to spouses. Killing kids takes it to a totally different level.

I can see CW moving away from the family. Maybe they had a tacit agreement, he was allowed to stray as long as he helped her portray happy social media online? Would not surprise me at all.

 

[Trinket78]

What I find rather surprising is in thread opinion is when verbal abuse of C.W. is discussed not only collaborated by her videos but a VI that has known them both many years it seems SW is validated . “ he had a mouth he could leave” “ it’s good natured ribbing “. But then saying she was a victim of DV with zero proof, zero witnesses and completely sympathizing again with her . I know many of you are married . But being in an abusive relationship is 180 degrees different . You become isolated , insecure , so worried about doing everything right it is overwhelming . You start believing you are a loser. You aren’t worthy .
There is proof from SW stating he was the calm one . She had confidence , wore the “pants” in the family and controlled everything. She traveled at will leaving kids with Chris or family if they both went and had daycare. I had to take a breath away from the thread bc I felt a lot of my feelings of insecurities from my ex coming back trying to express my opinion on here . I felt no one would believe me bc I had covered for him so long . Everyone loved him. He could go from full scream at me to polite conversation with someone on a phone , hang up immediately start screaming again.
It’s ironic to me bc we are Victim blaming him about the verbal abuse as we are saying we can’t victim blame her as a reason to look at the evidence she verbally abused him.
I am not saying bc she verbally abused him she deserved to die . I am saying I want both sides known to get a clear version of the truth .

Well said!

 

[human]

It simply isn’t possible to determine from the videos, along with the anecdotal evidence from people who knew Shanann and C.W., if there was any abuse going on, verbal or otherwise.

Everyone has their own perspective, based (mostly) on their own personal experiences. This means that making a determination is for now, inherently subjective, and thus flawed.

Some people look at the videos and see abuse. Others see a normal picture.

We simply cannot know what was normal for them, and what their feelings were at the time, and in general. Was it mean spirited? Was it good natured ribbing? Was it real? Was it an act?

If we had actual documented evidence of prior abuse (prior to the murders), then these videos MAY provide context. Right now, we simply don’t have that.

To me, in the video where she is complaining about him and the phone which may be in the garage, she says something negatively about him being a genius.

That is uncalled for on a public,platform. I cannot understand how anyone accepts this as being OK.

Would people like that posted about them on a public forum?

I have several different versions on my FB of things people have posted. One is of a crumpled piece of paper and people are asked to straighten it out. It cannot. It shows the crumples that are there. The hurt from the words

 

[MassGuy]

I can imagine that people can snap if it comes to spouses. Killing kids takes it to a totally different level.

I can see CW moving away from the family. Maybe they had a tacit agreement, he was allowed to stray as long as he helped her portray happy social media online? Would not surprise me at all.

Yes. In the heat of passion, people do kill their spouses. And you’re right, killing the kids after this, is on a whole different level.

That’s precisely why him “snapping,” doesn’t work for me.

 

[JDough]

That was also my question, as well. Iirc he was detained at the station for questioning earlier that day, though not sure exactly what time (I would MOO it was sometime in the early afternoon, since the Thayers stated in their interview that he left their house late morning to pick his father up at the airport) and he wasn’t actually under arrest until 11:30PM Wednesday night. I am an HR professional and it seems odd that there would be an HR rep on hand at that time of night to render a termination. Hence leading me to believe he would have been termed during normal business hours. (MEO). Which also leads me to further question his reason for termination. I plan to try to do further research into their policies and procedures and code of ethics to see if he may have broken a policy by being a suspect, since there was no reports that he admitted to anything until after he spoke to his father that night. I’ve read other speculations on his term reason in other forums which have me interested on another possible motive which could lead to signs of pre-meditation.

Re-posting one of my previous comments:

As an HR Manager who has written (many) policy manuals, I can address the termination aspect......

Most employers have a statement regarding "Employment at Will". The statement generally says something like:
"[Company] has the right to terminate any employee for any reason....."

Employers also have statements identifying conduct that may result in immediate termination. Such as: "In cases of serious misconduct, an employee is likely to be terminated immediately." The list may include several things (dishonesty, theft, harassment, aggressive behavior, etc.), but almost always includes "any action that violates federal, state or local law."

IMO, I believe disposing of human remains on company property (for which he has been charged with murdering- gosh I hate typing that ), would fall into this category.

In addition; if the company has a policy stating that dating/having intimate relationships with a co-worker is forbidden, termination could occur at time of discovery. I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say if LE had asked for CW's company phone and e-mail records, his intimate relationship was known to the company. Especially if the co-worker had admitted to this relationship prior to his actual arrest.

 

[sun16]

I’d bet everything I have that a positive-minded, 34 year-old pregnant woman who loves her kids, is not feeling well, and is probably exhausted at 1:48am from traveling, does not have ‘kill my children’ on her list when she walks through the door.

 

[Lady Justice21]

What I find rather surprising is in thread opinion is when verbal abuse of C.W. is discussed not only collaborated by her videos but a VI that has known them both many years it seems SW is validated . “ he had a mouth he could leave” “ it’s good natured ribbing “. But then saying she was a victim of DV with zero proof, zero witnesses and completely sympathizing again with her . I know many of you are married . But being in an abusive relationship is 180 degrees different . You become isolated , insecure , so worried about doing everything right it is overwhelming . You start believing you are a loser. You aren’t worthy .
There is proof from SW stating he was the calm one . She had confidence , wore the “pants” in the family and controlled everything. She traveled at will leaving kids with Chris or family if they both went and had daycare. I had to take a breath away from the thread bc I felt a lot of my feelings of insecurities from my ex coming back trying to express my opinion on here . I felt no one would believe me bc I had covered for him so long . Everyone loved him. He could go from full scream at me to polite conversation with someone on a phone , hang up immediately start screaming again.
It’s ironic to me bc we are Victim blaming him about the verbal abuse as we are saying we can’t victim blame her as a reason to look at the evidence she verbally abused him.
I am not saying bc she verbally abused him she deserved to die . I am saying I want both sides known to get a clear version of the truth .

I hope you already know this, but feel compelled to say it anyway, because I can see how the conversation on here could bring back a lot of what you experienced. The verbal abuse you exerienced was never ok and you were never at fault. You weren't crazy, you weren't at fault, and you likely didn't feel like you could just leave or just say something to make it stop.

OT to this case, but just wanted to say that to you, sorry if it's not allowed on the thread.

 

[MassGuy]

To me, in the video where she is complaining about him and the phone which may be in the garage, she days something negatively about him being a genius.

That is uncalled for on a public,platform. I cannot understand how anyone accepts this as being OK.

Would people like that posted about them on a public forum?

But was she trying to hurt him? Belittle him? Or was she just joking around? We can’t tell.

My girlfriend and I mock and tease each other all the time. A few of these videos are on social media. For us, none of this is mean spirited in any way. I guess if you were to see it, you’d feel the same way you do about the Watts videos. You’d be wrong though, which is why context is so important.

 

[MsBetsy]

There is a "Document History" Tab that shows the change over of land, ect. But I have never been through bankruptcy, so do not know what documentation would or would not be required if her mother's name was added.

Its a move people can make to prevent forecosure of the property. I would have done it myself if a family member had offered. But I still got lucky. My home went into foreclosure right after the housing market crashed, and there were 17 million other people in the same situation. It took three years. I didn't have to pay the mortgage during that time. I filed chapter 13 the night before the bank was going to seize everything I owned. So I was able to save my house, but had three years to pay the bank after that. I think a lot depends on the situation. The only documentation required for the bankrupcy in terms of whose name is on the title is the title itself. If there is a lawyer here I'm sure they can supply you with all the details. It can get pretty confusing. Jmo

 

[DexterMorgan]

Ok so I played around with this option and I can tell you it can't work mainly because of the time it will take to gather the posts and put them in a different thread.

BUT, there is no reason why anyone can't do exactly what I did when I started working on Dexter's suggestion. Make sure before you do this that you are in the Located forum. See in the upper right-hand corner you see a box that says "Search" In that box put in the VI"s name. Colorado303. Then you see a drop down box that gives you options. One option is "Posted by Member" and you put in the name of the VI again. Then you chose the option "Search this Forum Only" and you will get all of the VI's posts on one page. You have to click on each post to read it but that's it. You are all set. If you want to search an individual thread for all of the VI's posts go to that thread and search but instead of choosing "Search this Forum Only" you choose "Search this Thread Only".
Hope this makes sense.

If there was a way I could get all the VI's posts to copy over at the same time without having to click on each individual post to make a new thread it would be easy. You'll see how you have to click on each individual post to read. To copy a post we have to click on each individual post. After you clicked on each individual post you can then copy them over into the new thread. There are pages and pages of VI posts. It would take too long to do this. Best thing is for you to search for the posts.

Thanks for atleast trying Ticia. You made my day.

 

[sun16]

I have watched that porch interview over and over. I don't see a scared or confused man. Nor do I see anguish or pain. He come across cool, calm and collected. Even more, he dealt a card before agreeing to tell the truth. A talk with his father before confessing.

I agree. Look, I get that everyone is different and everyone responds to things differently, but seriously, this is not that. A man who KNOWS his entire family is dead in tanks and a field does not act like this (cool, calm, collected). The only explanation I have for this behavior is 1) sociopath, and 2) premeditation.