Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #24

[searchinGirl]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed>At Weld County you can look up the property on the map or the assessor and there you can find the reception numbers to lookup at the Clerk and Recorder. You have to have an account to their system but you don’t necessarily have t by anything. The documents are fifty cents a page, and you can see a blurry preview.

 

[Shekkiec]

Agreed, Junkasaurus, everyone's threshold for managing their emotions is unique to each person. We don't know what CW's threshold was and whether he reached his maximum level that morning.

He had admitted to killing his wife and disposing of the bodies. Until we get evidence as to what happened that night by autopsy I think it could be she reacted out of rage as well . The biggest insult you can do to an abusive person is leave them . Her actions may have been the catalyst for this tragedy .

 

[NuttMegg]

I’m just asking you to reverse the roles in your mind. There’s no evidence SW was abused, either. She was murdered by her husband, absolutely. But if there’s evidence of prior abuse, I am unaware.

I think death would be the ultimate abuse, which is what he did to her. I won't go through all the obvious reasons, as they have been posted over and over. He could have tried to save his family had he wanted to, instead of making sure they got no help, making sure they were dead instead of getting help from professionals at 911.

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

Is there a way to go to this video? It always just takes me to her profile

Try this. Maybe the TinyURL will work. CW appears at about the 6:00 mark.
Shanann Watts

 

[Stripehaven]

What if it had been the man who was emotionally abused, demeaned, and controlled? What if it was the man who did the housework and childcare while she did what she wanted, when she wanted?
I’m not saying that’s the case here, but we don’t know that it’s not. We need to keep our minds open and consider all angles. IMO there’s a definite gender bias where we often assume it’s only the male that can abusive. Far less men report DV because of this. It’s embarrassing & many don’t believe it’s possible.

It’s absolutely possible for a woman to be a terrible abuser. My son’s former partner was one — she was violent, threatened to kill him and us, and more. It took him a long time to give up on her and take action to end the relationship and protect himself. But never once did he have the impulse to do by killing her and their children. (And I don’t say this to sound flippant but I don’t think many would have judged him if he had “snapped” and hit her or something. I do not condone that and I am grateful it never happened. He chose to call the police on her and go the rational, legal route.)

In short, I don’t care what Shanann may have done or said, to me it has no bearing whatsoever on this crime.

 

[Seattle1]

Agreed. It's also important to note that AT was quoted as saying CW mentioned putting the house up for sale. Chris Watts case: Everything we know so far about the alleged murders of his wife, daughters

My speculation is that if CW was looking into moving out of the house within the near future, it's not a stretch to believe that he would also be looking for a job change. Especially considering the AP he was "actively" involved with. If the CW/AP relationship was potentially turning into a serious relationship, it wouldn't be far fetched to believe that eventually CW would need a different place of employment to avoid work problems for being engaged in such a relationship.

Therefore, the tanks wouldn't necessarily be something he would be driving by on a daily basis, or perhaps even ever again. The location could actually have been a part of the thought process to ensure he would never see the tanks again.

JMO.

It's simply not the norm to start thinking of liquidating, selling, within 36 hours of your beloved wife and children gone missing. However, Scott P did the same -- sold his "missing" wife's vehicle, and made an appointment with realtor-- just weeks after reporting his wife missing. It's not the norm except for these type of men that get charged with murdering their families. MOO

 

[esayer]

DIGGING GRAVES IS HARDER THAN YOU WOULD THINK

My wife's dog died last night, and she and I had to dig a grave to bury it this morning. We live in Colorado. Our yard is sandy and rocky and dry, with natural grasses, yucca plants, and cactus, probably very much like the terrain where CW buried SW "in a shallow grave."

It took my wife and I an hour-and-a-half to dig a hole that was about 3 feet long by 2.5 feet wide by 2 feet deep with a pick axe and a shovel. We would have preferred for it to be deeper, but it would have taken an hour to get another 6 inches deep, the ground was so hard. Then when we got the dog in there, it took longer than you'd think to fill the hole back up with dirt.

This leads me to believe that if CW intended to bury all three bodies, he soon found that it would be an impossible task and would have taken all day, despite the fact that he is fairly young and in better shape than me.

Putting the girls in the oil tanks may have been out of necessity, especially if he was trying to dig graves when his Ring doorbell notification alerted him that NU had arrived at the home. He may have intended to come back later, with the CW's purse, cell phone, and belongings to finish the burying.

Edited for typo and clarification.

This got me thinking, I wonder how dirty he was when he met LE and Nikole at his place? Might not be out of the ordinary, maybe he got dirty at his job, but hmmm.

Also, sorry about your dog. Mine died last week. The worst.

 

[violet101]

Try this. Maybe the TinyURL will work. CW appears at about the 6:00 mark.
Shanann Watts

Thanks, I realized if I logged out of the fb app it works. Not sure why it doesn’t work for me without doing that. Appreciate it!

 

[MerryB]

I think death would be the ultimate abuse, which is what he did to her. I won't go through all the obvious reasons, as they have been posted over and over. He could have tried to save his family had he wanted to, instead of making sure they got no help, making sure they were dead dead dead instead of getting help from professionals at 911.

No argument here. I was responding to the many claims SW was abused, and CW couldn’t have been because he’s a man. Both males and females can be victims of abuse, and there is no evidence at this time (that I’m aware of) that either CW or SW were abused. Therefore, we need to remain open to both possibilities.

 

[sun16]

I’m just asking you to reverse the roles in your mind. There’s no evidence SW was abused, either. She was murdered by her husband, absolutely. But if there’s evidence of prior abuse, I am unaware.

I don’t believe either of them were abused. I think there was a lot going on in both of their lives (and their children’s), and verbal things went on and etc. — like in many married lives! But, CW was a sociopath and a selfish person, and things built up over time to him killing her.

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

He must have a low self-esteem thus he never stood up for himself.

Without going into excruciating detail, my own father must have low self-esteem or loves my mother dearly because she could/can be a royal bit*h for NO reason (barking at him to open a car door if he didn't get there fast enough... huh?) and countless friends and ex's witnessed these interactions and commented on it to me over the years, telling me that my father was a saint, which we knew. I think he did/does it to "keep the peace." He could stand up to her but then face the wrath, the screaming. Been there, done that. Has no intention of leaving her now nor did he in their 20s. Easier to go with the flow, don't provoke her, when provoked just be meek. Does he have no backbone? Perhaps. Always been a quiet, loving mellow guy. She - more high strung, OCD, bad childhood, things have to go her way, dictated their friends and trips, etc. Sigh. Sorry for "TMI" here but it's my life experience which I know plays into my feelings, only natural.

 

[MsBetsy]

Well said Skekkiec ~ I find it fascinating and confusing all at the same time, that there are three VI's in this case who knew CW and SW personally and one of the three VI's has polar opposite opinions of the other two VI's. To be clear, I am not questioning the validity of any of the VI's. Just find it an interesting dichotomy of facts and interpretations.

Yes, I guess that was what was meant by there being 2 sides to every story. Jmo

 

[NuttMegg]

No argument here. I was responding to the many claims SW was abused, and CW couldn’t have been because he’s a man. Both males and females can be victims of abuse, and there is no evidence at this time (that I’m aware of) that either CW or SW were abused. Therefore, we need to remain open to both possibilities.

We could be open to all sorts of possibilities for which there is no indication of. At all. Why is it so important to lay the groundwork for her possibly abusing him? Anyway, I get it. Just wait until the trial and everytime she spoke his name on the videos it will be twisted to show that "she abused him". Therefore, I guess, that means it's all her fault?

 

[Amandaaa]

I think death would be the ultimate abuse, which is what he did to her. I won't go through all the obvious reasons, as they have been posted over and over. He could have tried to save his family had he wanted to, instead of making sure they got no help, making sure they were dead dead dead instead of getting help from professionals at 911.

At this point, we don’t know that he *didn’t* try.

I find the language in the affidavit extremely interesting - the use of the word “ultimately” implies (IMO) that something else happened *before* he strangled her...

Unfortunately, all we really have to go on is the affidavit - which is really short on information

 

[margarita25]

“Everything happens for a reason.”
—Shanann Watts

This is statement is just so wildly ironic I can’t get over it.

As I ponder my own difficult experiences and try to turn my own situations around for the positive, I wonder what “reason” she would say there ultimately is for the murder of her and her three children. And by her husband. And father of their children.

What would Shanann say to this??

We are all here trying to figure out the same thing, why did this happen. Shanann, I don’t think there is a “reason”, or at least I don’t know what that is, other than perhaps his own selfishness and rage (and other associated negative emotions and perhaps illness imo), and darkness.

But IF there is to be a reason for what happened to you girls, then we have to make it a positive one and find it, if that’s truly what you believe, as far as helping to make some kind of positive difference/effect in your honor, through your spirits that have been sacrificed for this “reason”. That’s the only thing I can think of as far as there being any kind of remote positive or “reason” as to what happened to you all. So if we are to internalize your words and accept them as truth as to “everything happens for a reason”, which you seemed to so passionately believe, what would you want that “reason” to be? What IS that “reason”? I’ve always said as regards to Jessica Ridgeway that there really is “no such thing as justice”, because nothing can ever bring her back or take away from the pain, physical and mental, that she and her family suffered.

Family was clearly most important to you, and achieving your dreams and working hard...

Maybe there’s also a residual message out there for us to keep our own eyes open wider and be careful about whom we choose to love...(but if there were no signs...).

This is all sooo difficult.

We talk about the production of Lucas’ Law, Sherin’s Law...what would you (SW) like for “Shanann’s Law” to be, metaphorically speaking—meaning, what was the real “reason” that this happened to you all in the big scheme of things (since you said you believe this)...and would you STILL believe this? Even after your own children being murdered? IS there really a reason?? I’m obviously struggling with all of this, even on a deep “spiritual” level..

I guess we feel this way about all murder victims, there is no reason, for example of the top of my head, say little Gabriella Doolan or Maddie Middleton or Jenise Wright or Bella Cannella or Jessica Ridgeway and everyone else young and old being violated and/or killed.

The world is a beautiful and awful place at the same time.

This type of perp, I’m truly flabbergasted myself here because I too have been sooooooo deluded myself and fooled in love. I relate with you (SW) in many ways. And inspired how you dealt with your medical issues so strongly. I’m trying to figure out how people can be so awful. There is no answer other than they just are.

@Colorado303 , in what way do you think that Shanann would explain here, now, how “everything happens for a reason”??

 

[MassGuy]

We could be open to all sorts of possibilities for which there is no indication of. At all. Why is it so important to lay the groundwork for her possibly abusing him? Anyway, I get it. Just wait until the trial and everytime she spoke his name on the videos it will be twisted to show that "she abused him". Therefore, I guess, that means it's all her fault?

That’s a good point. No matter her actions, no matter if she was bossy or mean, it doesn’t justify what he did to her.

If this behavior is being viewed in regards to motive, well there’s no way of knowing. The motive could be one thing, or a combination of them.

We can’t get inside CW’s head, and I’m not sure I want to.

 

[MsBetsy]

He had admitted to killing his wife and disposing of the bodies. Until we get evidence as to what happened that night by autopsy I think it could be she reacted out of rage as well . The biggest insult you can do to an abusive person is leave them . Her actions may have been the catalyst for this tragedy .

If she threatened to take the kids and leave him that night, I can definitely see that as being the motive for him. Jmo

 

[MsBetsy]

We could be open to all sorts of possibilities for which there is no indication of. At all. Why is it so important to lay the groundwork for her possibly abusing him? Anyway, I get it. Just wait until the trial and everytime she spoke his name on the videos it will be twisted to show that "she abused him". Therefore, I guess, that means it's all her fault?

Classic case of victim blaming. Jmo

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

We could be open to all sorts of possibilities for which there is no indication of. At all. Why is it so important to lay the groundwork for her possibly abusing him? Anyway, I get it. Just wait until the trial and everytime she spoke his name on the videos it will be twisted to show that "she abused him". Therefore, I guess, that means it's all her fault?

I think we're all here looking for the big WHY did this happen, in this case. Sometimes these murders happen and we never learn the why. We analyze these cases, we compare our lives to them and start to think geez, that could happen to us if there are no signs. What signs should we be looking for in our own lives? What signs did they potentially miss? I don't think anyone is saying that even if she physically abused him (NO, I'm sure she didn't!) that he was justified and it was her fault. Perhaps a jury would give him a lesser sentence if he can prove he was the victim of emotional abuse that caused him to "snap" but who knows... I think we just all want to know what on earth happened in those 3 hours to a seemingly happy couple.

 

[Lady Justice21]

We could be open to all sorts of possibilities for which there is no indication of. At all. Why is it so important to lay the groundwork for her possibly abusing him? Anyway, I get it. Just wait until the trial and everytime she spoke his name on the videos it will be twisted to show that "she abused him". Therefore, I guess, that means it's all her fault?

IMO it's likely a defense strategy. A likeable victim is a defense attorney's worst nightmare.

In reality it's not an excuse at all. Even IF there ends up being evidence of a pattern of verbal abuse SW and those babies did not deserve to have their lives and their futures stolen from them. A motive perhaps but absolutely not a valid excuse.