Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #24

[Jennifer17]

According to one of the VIs he had face time with his father twice, once when he picked him up from the airport, and secondly when he stopped the interrogation to say he would tell the truth if he could be alone with his father. (again). I don't read where he admitted strangling SW and Nico before talking to his Dad)

He admitted nothing until he was cornered. He did not admit that they were dead, until LE found the bodies. He did not admit he was having an affair until they had proof.
All this happened before he somehow found that he could tell the 'truth'.

 

[NuttMegg]

And so is she, but she is not around to defend herself. He took that away from her.

Talk about rolling over in your own grave, learning that your supposed loving husband killed your babies, and yourself, and is blaming you.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I agree - it doesn't look good for him. But, like I've said, we don't have enough FACTS to convict him of murdering his 2 daughters. That's a fact and it's your choice if you want to ignore it.

Who do you believe should be the lead suspect?

 

[PommyMommy]

@MsBetsy
The quote is messed up in your post #1059, so tagging you instead to respond to:

Also, he would have to admit to loading all three at one time if we are to believe his story. Jmo

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The affidavit does say that he admitted to loading all three at one time.

Chris said he loaded all three bodies onto the back seat of his work truck...
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...18CR2003/001/Warrantless Arrest Affidavit.pdf

 

[MsBetsy]

With what little facts we know I'm NOT willing to accept guilt for neither SW nor CW. I don't know who's responsible. I NEED FACTS!!!

It is impossible to rely on facts alone to help us understand what happened. There are circumstances around the facts that are impossible to ignore. There is a basic understanding of human nature, and observation, and making sense of the facts and statements that have been made to consider. There are so many things that LE has to put together to solve the puzzle that make it impossible to lead one to understand what happened based on fact alone. If the facts of CW'S story were considered to be the absolute truth, than I don't see it ever being solved. There are an endless amount of things to consider. Relying on facts alone would be half of an investigation. Jmo

 

[Whiteorchids]

We have the fact that he lied and lied and lied about everything until he was cornered. Even about having an affair.
I just cannot understand how anyone can think that he could be telling the truth about how the children died.

Your so right and I think he was cornered as well when he was telling that bogus story in the interview. I believe LE already knew he had killed them as they had already viewed the camera footage provided by the neighbors. They saw his backed up vehicle loading up at 5am. Neighbors said they had never seen him leave that early before in the past.

The giveaway was NO video footage provided showed SW and the kids leaving that house!!! You know darn well investigators already knew he had done something with them while CW was giving that interview full of lies. I’m sure LE presented him with that info in interrogation. CW knew he was sunk. That reminded me when neighbors saw Casey Anthony’s car backed up into the garage which neighbors said was unusual. Most likely loading up little Caylees body.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

PS. Someone had mentioned yesterday that he might have covered it all up because he thought no one would believe him. In this day and age, we all know about DNA evidence. If you can think clearly enough to do what he did to protect himself, you would suspect that crude oil might destroy exactly what would prove your innocence.

Since the beginning of this case, I have had the terrible feeling that there is a much worse reason CW wanted to put the girls in the oil to HIDE FORENSIC EVIDENCE. I could be wrong and I hope I am, but I believe that CW is capable of more than just murder. JMOO.

 

[MsBetsy]

@MsBetsy
The quote is messed up in your post #1059, so tagging you instead to respond to:

Also, he would have to admit to loading all three at one time if we are to believe his story. Jmo

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The affidavit does say that he admitted to loading all three at one time.

Chris said he loaded all three bodies onto the back seat of his work truck...
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/001/Warrantless Arrest Affidavit.pdf

Yes, thank you!

 

[Whiteorchids]

@MsBetsy
The quote is messed up in your post #1059, so tagging you instead to respond to:

Also, he would have to admit to loading all three at one time if we are to believe his story. Jmo

............................................................

The affidavit does say that he admitted to loading all three at one time.

Chris said he loaded all three bodies onto the back seat of his work truck...
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/001/Warrantless Arrest Affidavit.pdf

I think he said that because if he said he took the girls the day before it would look like premeditation instead of heat of passion.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

It is impossible to rely on facts alone to help us understand what happened. There are circumstances around the facts that are impossible to ignore. There is a basic understanding of human nature, and observation, and making sense of the facts and statements that have been made to consider. There are so many things that LE has to put together to solve the puzzle that make it impossible to lead one to understand what happened based on fact alone. If the facts of CW'S story were considered to be the absolute truth, than I don't see it ever being solved. There are an endless amount of things to consider. Relying on facts alone would be half of an investigation. Jmo

Yes, but at this point we don't know much.

 

[sun16]

I’ve been wondering what time he clocked into work that day. Or what his normal shift was.

He had to have cleaned up and swiched clothes between dumping the bodies and arriving at work, right? It would be easy to check if he might have done that at his gym. Or someone’s house (who should speak up). Or a gas station or coffee shop. I don’t believe he went back home. Need to know if work has a shower or such. And does his reporting to work mean in an office or a more rugged outdoor situation.

 

[PommyMommy]

thanks then to @The Saint. I was thinking you posted those. Look, he has to go within a couple of feet of Bella's room and just a few feet more where SW is supposedly murdering his kid. Bogus!

I did post them originally, but when I flipped them the words were backwards. He prettied them all up for us!

 

[ReckoningDay]

Circumstantial evidence, yes we get it. An Agatha Christie novel? You have no idea what's happened in our lives, so to say we're not living in the real world is insulting. We are grown adults not children, so I would appreciate some respect as we have given to others who don't share our opinions.

So to answer my question, would you suspect that Sally had killed Bob, or would you assume that any other person was equally suspect? I am trying to understand what is considered "proof" by those who say we have no evidence to think CW killed them

 

[Allabouttrial]

It is impossible to rely on facts alone to help us understand what happened. There are circumstances around the facts that are impossible to ignore. There is a basic understanding of human nature, and observation, and making sense of the facts and statements that have been made to consider. There are so many things that LE has to put together to solve the puzzle that make it impossible to lead one to understand what happened based on fact alone. If the facts of CW'S story were considered to be the absolute truth, than I don't see it ever being solved. There are an endless amount of things to consider. Relying on facts alone would be half of an investigation. Jmo

I do agree with you. For me though until I hear everything at trial, I just can't help thinking there is more to this than we know (or may never know!)

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Yes, they had enough to charge him, but he is innocent until proven guilty.

I’m not sure anyone disagrees with your point, in theory.

That doesn’t mean there is no evidence out there pointing to his guilt. Which is why people are speculating.

Two different things, imo.

 

[Whiteorchids]

That's not fact though, that's speculation. Who knows what they've found?

If all three prints pressure points match on the necks it would be by the same set of hands.

 

[NuttMegg]

I think that it is a given that when you have three dead people, you will speak the truth to LE too without speaking to your father.
Charles Manson had a defence lawyer too. Did you believe his defence lawyer because he said he believed him?

IIRC defense lawyers aren't even supposed to ASK if their client is guilty. Open to correction on that.

 

[MsBetsy]

Yes, but at this point we don't know much.

Yet we have observed a great deal of telling information! And I actually think we do know a great deal, we have alot more information in this case than others! Jmo

 

[BeanieBod]

This was the post (yours) that I responded to (BBM):
I still don't know if the tanks actually contained any oil. If empty, CW may have opened the bottom door and gently laid them in the tanks. JMO

My response was:
Officials said the bodies of the young girls were found inside oil and gas tanks that "were mostly full."
Officials to release possible motive for Watts family killings

Thinking about those workers who had to drain the oil tanks and then retrieve those little babies is so gut wrenching. I can not imagine anything worse. We all know of responders who dive for drowning victims or extricate bodies from vehicles but this is so much worse IMO. It is vile and totally inhumane on so many levels. It occurs to me that we have no idea who performed these tasks - ME personnel or Anadarko oil workers or LE personnel or a combination thereof ? I certainly pray that they are receiving some form of counseling.

 

[katydid23]

Which could also be said for CW. They also had no indication from friends and family that CW was capable of taking a life.

But now we do have solid proof he is capable of taking 2 lives. And we know he is capable of strangling someone to death. And that he is capable of carrying around his dead babies, and disposing of them. Then going to work the next day, acting like nothing happened. How many people would be capable of any of that?