Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #25

[Marli61]

Her lies were because she wanted her boyfriend and he didn't want kids. It took another week or so to get her to fess up the location of the boys' bodies. CW's lies were to cover the fact he was having an affair. He had to know the husband is always the first looked at by LE. He had to know about cases like Scott Peterson's. You'd have to live under a bridge not to know about SP. JMO

So you are saying all the lies were to cover up the affair & nothing to do with murder & tampering with 3 bodies?

 

[MsBetsy]

It is according to experts. A persons behavior after an event can indeed be considered evidence of guilt. Humans have patterns of behaviour and many clues can be gained from such patterns.

When interrogators interrogated Russell Smith in Canada, they firstly spent hours mapping out behaviour based on his personality type, with different directions they would take if he said this or that. It's on YouTube (the narrated version) and it's a work of art. They completely cornered him and he had nowhere to go. The entire thing was done based on human patterns of behaviour. We only have so many variables, they considered each variable, planned for it, and nailed him.

CW's behaviour after the event, including his lies, is a strong indication of guilt and will be considered evidence if this case goes to trial.

I agree, and some of it may be the most damning evidence. Especially the interview for the media. Jmo

 

[borndem]

One truth (if it is a truth), within a flurry of lies, is nothing to hang your hat on. Lies of omission are just as bad as lies of commission.

I didn't buy Susan Smith for a second. Everything was wrong with that interview, from the words, to the body language.

In the Watts interview, I was incredibly disturbed. When I saw the news that he was arrested, and had (partially) confessed, I wasn't surprised.

I was just surprised he confessed so soon.

<shiver> Oh, that woman!
I didn't believe her for a second, either. Her delivery was flat, her emotions seemed forced. And her saying "who had done it" just made me angrier and even more skeptical. I was stunned at what had happened, but before her little "poor me" routine was done, I knew that she had done it.
She will be eligible for parole in 2024, after serving 30 years in her "30 to Life Sentence."

 

[Whiteorchids]

If CW is so innocent of killing the girls why hasn’t he shed any tears wouldn’t he be all broken up inside as those were Daddy’s little girls? NU said in her interview CW said “I feel like crying” she said “then why haven’t you”

 

[Deleted member 230544]

O/T I don't have a dog, but if I did it would be the exact one you have on your profile!

Thanks Allabouttrial, I have a maltese and tea cup yorkie and they get jealous that I am on the computer way too much on this case

 

[Allabouttrial]

Thanks Allabouttrial, I have a maltese and tea cup yorkie and they get jealous that I am on the computer way too much on this case

Ha my cat is the same!! Positions himself right in front of the screen

 

[rainynights]

Does anyone knows if she had a fitbit? or the Health App on her iPhone?

In response to the above post @Mosaic made in the last Thread #24, Post #1428

I don't know if she had a fitbit, but others might have seen one. As for the idea of a Health app on her iPhone, I have some thoughts.

The Health app is an app that stays on the iPhone. Some apps can be deleted, and reinstalled in the App Store by the user should they wish to add the app back on the iPhone. Not that one. It is a fixed built-in app that cannot be deleted.

Unbeknownst to me, my phone had been logging my steps this entire time.

Quick Story
I got a new iPhone 7 last year. I’ve been an iPhone user since 2008. I’ve never been one to buy into Health apps, especially ones that track your heart rate and steps. I didn’t know much about it, except that I didn’t want to volunteer for that. I’ll keep my health to myself, thank you. Last month, I became interested in calculating daily step counts, and decided to check it out. I opened the Health app, which I had never used before, and was in awe when I realized the this app had already calculated my steps for the day. Interesting. How far back does it go, I thought? Turns out, I was was able to go back that entire past week. And past month. The further I went back, I realized my phone logged my steps for EVERY single day, down to the minute, in the past year that I’d had the phone. Even though I never once opened, or “agreed” to using the Health app. It was silently logging my steps the entire time.

Why does this matter?
The iPhones are equipped with technology that senses step-like movement that it considers a step, and can even determine flights climbed, which is calculated based on an approximate 10 feet in elevation gain, or about 16 stairs. If SW went upstairs at any point, provided it was at least 10 feet in elevation gain or 16 steps, it is likely the Health app captured it in "flights climbed."

My theory is even in the scenario that SW never used her Health app, even to log in once, that it was still “secretly” logging all steps and floors climbed. If the Health app was tapped and opened, one would find her step counts (which can be viewed down to the hour, and even the minutes/seconds). This could be crucial information starting at 1:48am on Monday, August 13 2018, leading up to the moment it was in the hands of LE after the phone being discovered between the couch cushions in the loft.

Even if SW wasn’t the one physically carrying her phone at any point in time, as long as it was turned ON, and was being carried by someone on his/her person (iPhone steps can even be captured in a purse, back pocket, or while walking with it in your hand), this information could be valuable in knowing periods of steps, stairs, and periods of no movement at all.

ETA: JMO

 

[molly1255]

Her lies were because she wanted her boyfriend and he didn't want kids. It took another week or so to get her to fess up the location of the boys' bodies. CW's lies were to cover the fact he was having an affair. He had to know the husband is always the first looked at by LE. He had to know about cases like Scott Peterson's. You'd have to live under a bridge not to know about SP. JMO

His lies included covering up the affair, but also that he did not know what happened to his family, and he did not know where they were.

 

[Jennifer17]

So should hers IMO both are very relevant

She is dead. She cannot take a psychological test.

 

[Deleted member 230544]

If CW is so innocent of killing the girls why hasn’t he shed any tears wouldn’t he be all broken up inside as those were Daddy’s little girls? NU said in her interview CW said “I feel like crying” she said “then why haven’t you”

I am not making any excuses what so ever for CW or making excuses for his lack of reactions and flat affect, but I think clinically there are definitions and diagnoses whereby individuals react so vastly different in situations that we ourselves would react with emotions and tears and upset.

 

[MyBelle]

False. C.W.’s lies were to conceal the truth about where his family was. He wanted to sell the idea that they were out there, somewhere, and he had nothing to do with it. The lies were about self preservation, plain and simple.

He wasn’t about to say “I killed my family, and disposed of their bodies by putting my kids in oil tanks, and digging a nice shallow grave for my wife.”

Concealing an affair was the least of his worries.

I think his lies were directed to one person: his mistress. He was hoping to buy time so he could explain his side of the story. That's it. We'll see if she is still "standing by her man" when trial rolls around. JMO

 

[borndem]

Urban Gardener's post about crude oil baths sent me on a search to youtube. The stuff doesn't come off as easily as you might think. (I think I ought to include a foul language warning, for those of us who speak Russian.)

Nyet, ne delay etogo!
[ der'mo ]

 

[Shekkiec]

She is dead.

Feature 2
As per this article psychological evaluations of the deceased offer a lot of valuable information not only to the trial but it helps loved ones in the family with unanswered questions . This article is great

 

[MsBetsy]

Feature 2

Yes, it can be used as a tool but there are many things that are considered in an evaluation. Not one thing by itself. It is a combination. The research on the chemical makeup of the brain and what people with mental illness have in common is definitely interesting and is contributing more than ever before. It's fascinating! Well, to me anyway. Jmo

 

[Allabouttrial]

In response to the above post @Mosaic made in the last Thread #24, Post #1428

I don't know if she had a fitbit, but others might have seen one. As for the idea of a Health app on her iPhone, I have some thoughts.

The Health app is an app that stays on the iPhone. Some apps can be deleted, and reinstalled in the App Store by the user should they wish to add the app back on the iPhone. Not that one. It is a fixed built-in app that cannot be deleted.

Unbeknownst to me, my phone had been logging my steps this entire time.

Quick Story
I got a new iPhone 7 last year. I’ve been an iPhone user since 2008. I’ve never been one to buy into Health apps, especially ones that track your heart rate and steps. I didn’t know much about it, except that I didn’t want to volunteer for that. I’ll keep my health to myself, thank you. Last month, I became interested in calculating daily step counts, and decided to check it out. I opened the Health app, which I had never used before, and was in awe when I realized the this app had already calculated my steps for the day. Interesting. How far back does it go, I thought? Turns out, I was was able to go back that entire past week. And past month. The further I went back, I realized my phone logged my steps for EVERY single day, down to the minute, in the past year that I’d had the phone. Even though I never once opened, or “agreed” to using the Health app. It was silently logging my steps the entire time.

Why does this matter?
The iPhones are equipped with technology that senses step-like movement that it considers a step, and can even determine flights climbed, which is calculated based on an approximate 10 feet in elevation gain, or about 16 stairs. If SW went upstairs at any point, provided it was at least 10 feet in elevation gain or 16 steps, it is likely the Health app captured it in "flights climbed."

My theory is even in the scenario that SW never used her Health app, even to log in once, that it was still “secretly” logging all steps and floors climbed. If the Health app was tapped and opened, one would find her step counts (which can be viewed down to the hour, and even the minutes/seconds). This could be crucial information starting at 1:48am on Monday, August 13 2018, leading up to the moment it was in the hands of LE after the phone being discovered between the couch cushions in the loft.

Even if SW wasn’t the one physically carrying her phone at any point in time, as long as it was turned ON, and was being carried by someone on his/her person (iPhone steps can even be captured in a purse, back pocket, or while walking with it in your hand), this information could be valuable in knowing periods of steps, stairs, and periods of no movement at all.

Wouldn't be the 1st time it was used in court! She did have a smart watch which she seemed to wear all the time.

 

[Mosaic]

In response to the above post @Mosaic made in the last Thread #24, Post #1428

I don't know if she had a fitbit, but others might have seen one. As for the idea of a Health app on her iPhone, I have some thoughts.

The Health app is an app that stays on the iPhone. Some apps can be deleted, and reinstalled in the App Store by the user should they wish to add the app back on the iPhone. Not that one. It is a fixed built-in app that cannot be deleted.

Unbeknownst to me, my phone had been logging my steps this entire time.

Quick Story
I got a new iPhone 7 last year. I’ve been an iPhone user since 2008. I’ve never been one to buy into Health apps, especially ones that track your heart rate and steps. I didn’t know much about it, except that I didn’t want to volunteer for that. I’ll keep my health to myself, thank you. Last month, I became interested in calculating daily step counts, and decided to check it out. I opened the Health app, which I had never used before, and was in awe when I realized the this app had already calculated my steps for the day. Interesting. How far back does it go, I thought? Turns out, I was was able to go back that entire past week. And past month. The further I went back, I realized my phone logged my steps for EVERY single day, down to the minute, in the past year that I’d had the phone. Even though I never once opened, or “agreed” to using the Health app. It was silently logging my steps the entire time.

Why does this matter?
The iPhones are equipped with technology that senses step-like movement that it considers a step, and can even determine flights climbed, which is calculated based on an approximate 10 feet in elevation gain, or about 16 stairs. If SW went upstairs at any point, provided it was at least 10 feet in elevation gain or 16 steps, it is likely the Health app captured it in "flights climbed."

My theory is even in the scenario that SW never used her Health app, even to log in once, that it was still “secretly” logging all steps and floors climbed. If the Health app was tapped and opened, one would find her step counts (which can be viewed down to the hour, and even the minutes/seconds). This could be crucial information starting at 1:48am on Monday, August 13 2018, leading up to the moment it was in the hands of LE after the phone being discovered between the couch cushions in the loft.

Even if SW wasn’t the one physically carrying her phone at any point in time, as long as it was turned ON, and was being carried by someone on his/her person (iPhone steps can even be captured in a purse, back pocket, or while walking with it in your hand), this information could be valuable in knowing periods of steps, stairs, and periods of no movement at all.

ETA: JMO

BBM
Thanks! That's why I posted my question.

 

[Deleted member 230544]

In response to the above post @Mosaic made in the last Thread #24, Post #1428

I don't know if she had a fitbit, but others might have seen one. As for the idea of a Health app on her iPhone, I have some thoughts.

The Health app is an app that stays on the iPhone. Some apps can be deleted, and reinstalled in the App Store by the user should they wish to add the app back on the iPhone. Not that one. It is a fixed built-in app that cannot be deleted.

Unbeknownst to me, my phone had been logging my steps this entire time.

Quick Story
I got a new iPhone 7 last year. I’ve been an iPhone user since 2008. I’ve never been one to buy into Health apps, especially ones that track your heart rate and steps. I didn’t know much about it, except that I didn’t want to volunteer for that. I’ll keep my health to myself, thank you. Last month, I became interested in calculating daily step counts, and decided to check it out. I opened the Health app, which I had never used before, and was in awe when I realized the this app had already calculated my steps for the day. Interesting. How far back does it go, I thought? Turns out, I was was able to go back that entire past week. And past month. The further I went back, I realized my phone logged my steps for EVERY single day, down to the minute, in the past year that I’d had the phone. Even though I never once opened, or “agreed” to using the Health app. It was silently logging my steps the entire time.

Why does this matter?
The iPhones are equipped with technology that senses step-like movement that it considers a step, and can even determine flights climbed, which is calculated based on an approximate 10 feet in elevation gain, or about 16 stairs. If SW went upstairs at any point, provided it was at least 10 feet in elevation gain or 16 steps, it is likely the Health app captured it in "flights climbed."

My theory is even in the scenario that SW never used her Health app, even to log in once, that it was still “secretly” logging all steps and floors climbed. If the Health app was tapped and opened, one would find her step counts (which can be viewed down to the hour, and even the minutes/seconds). This could be crucial information starting at 1:48am on Monday, August 13 2018, leading up to the moment it was in the hands of LE after the phone being discovered between the couch cushions in the loft.

Even if SW wasn’t the one physically carrying her phone at any point in time, as long as it was turned ON, and was being carried by someone on his/her person (iPhone steps can even be captured in a purse, back pocket, or while walking with it in your hand), this information could be valuable in knowing periods of steps, stairs, and periods of no movement at all.

ETA: JMO

That would be something rainynights if that was what occurred. If SW was wearing a fitbit at the time of death, I wonder what that could tell LE? I am not tech savvy so this is all confusing for me.

 

[MyBelle]

So should hers IMO both are very relevant

I think it likely all medical records will be admitted at trial. Especially the children's records. I'd like to know why SW changed pediatricians because she was unhappy with them. The doctor's notes might be interesting. JMO

 

[Whiteorchids]

Good post @best of whats around I felt the same way. They both seemed really nice and complimented each other. I didn’t want either one to be guilty but as of now I can’t come nor anyone else here come up with any logical reason an innocent person would hide his loving daughters in a vat of crude oil that eventually turns as hard as concrete. I open to any good reasons.

 

[Jennifer17]

I am not making any excuses what so ever for CW or making excuses for his lack of reactions and flat affect, but I think clinically there are definitions and diagnoses whereby individuals react so vastly different in situations that we ourselves would react with emotions and tears and upset.

I get that people react differently, but if a parent can smile happily and even half laugh when he knows that his children are dead is not people just reacting differently.