Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #26

[Whiteorchids]

The sheets could have been soiled at the time of death as a result of loss of control.

I think the only thing those sheets are soiled with is DNA from CW and AP. If the girls weren’t there perhaps at a babysitters they might have got kinky and did the naughty on the kids bed sheets as well. I’m sure SW did all the laundry before she left. She was very clean. I don't believe SW would be gone for six weeks and CW not bring his lover over to the house. I wouldn’t be surprised if the girls met her on many occasions as Daddy’s friend. If the male caller on AB show relationship is true even he said he met the girls. I bet AP has DNA all through that house.

 

[MyBelle]

It was a lot more than smack talk in some of the videos. There were disparaging remarks throughout. One that comes to mind is when she whispers to her audience that her husband is a genius, he doesn't listen.

SW verbally walked all over CW in some of the videos and it was totally unnecessary. And the children whining and crying wouldn't help market any product. I'm baffled why anyone would think it would help sales. JMO

 

[idfinch]

Ok, let's say she does make disparaging remarks about CW: its no justification to murder her and the kids. A normal person would file for divorce, even if the wife said no. Millions of husbands and wives are ribbed or insulted many times during a marriage but they either stay and work things out or get a divorce. They (usually) don't murder their wife, toddlers and unborn son.

Plus, if she makes disparaging remarks or posts things on social media that are negative about CW, her life, her marriage, her MIL, then she's a bossy dominating shrewish woman who abuses her husband and children in various ways.

If she tries to paint a more positive picture of things and not air the darker moments or dirty laundry, she's a liar.

She can't win either way.

 

[pocketaccent]

As I said in my other post, it is not the actual method of disposal, but the way in which it was done. Yes, some Indians use a pyre (though some do not), but thete is an actual ceremony involved. It is very respectful, beautiful even, and loved ones get the chance to say goodbye.

Technically, my son was burned and turned to ashes. But it was done by a professional. There was a beautiful earn chosen. The funeral service consisted of songs, memories, and readings.

What CW did with their bodies is in no way comparable to legitimate burial methods across the different cultures. My husband is an anthropologist and he can't think of a single culture that doesn't engage in some kind of burial rites with their method.

Yes, some cultures have water burials but having a 3-day wake on the shoreline and adorning the body with things they will need in the afterlife is in no way comparable to Christian Longo breaking bones to fit bodies into a suitcase and throwing them off bridges.

Almost all dead are creamated in Japan. It's almost automatic.

 

[sun16]

Hmmmmm. So if this behavior was completely out of the ordinary for CW should we assume that something or someone has changed his behavior? Someone like an AP?? I've watched a lot of documentaries on ID and very often the man kills his family when there is another woman (or man) on the side.

It sounds to me like the CW they new from 5, 10, almost 15 years ago is not the same person he has slowly become and is today. A lot of the same characteristics, but he’s not the same person that he was in his 20’s.

 

[greatminds]

Please don't tell me people are suggesting this woman should have known they were in danger and negligent because she didn't do anything.....

Absolutely not.

 

[human]

The burning of a body in a funeral pyre is an act of cleansing and purifying with fire, just like cremation in certain cultures.
(In India, burning the dead body and floating it down the Ganges river is honoring and purifying the dead as they go onto the next life.)

I don't know of any religions that condone murdering toddlers in cold blood and dumping their bodies into highly toxic chemicals to get rid of evidence, and burying their mother's strangled, 15 week pregnant corpse in a shallow grave to be retrieved and hidden when the coast was clear.

That would be taboo in any culture. MOO.

Actually babies have been killed. In Persia as late as the late 1800’s a girl baby was killed because girls were not valued.

In Polynesia, babies were killed as a sacrfice as late as the late 1800’s or maybe even later than that.

I forget about China and girls? It was not too long ago.

Those are quick examples right off of the top of my head. Most places didn’t have oil wells until fairly recently . So the fact that there are crude oil spas sure paints a different picture than I have of crude oil as in, “No thank you very much.”

We have a couple posters saying oil has an important meaning to them. No one can say to them, “No, you cannot have that viewpoint. “ They have it.

It is not my viewpoint but to castigate someone for that viewpoint is denying them the right to express themselves

 

[nwmouse]

I think the only thing those sheets are soiled with is DNA from CW and AP. If the girls weren’t there perhaps at a babysitters they might have got kinky and did the naughty on the kids bed sheets as well. I’m sure SW did all the laundry before she left. She was very clean. I don't believe SW would be gone for six weeks and CW not bring his lover over to the house. I wouldn’t be surprised if the girls met her on many occasions as Daddy’s friend. If the male caller on AB show relationship is true even he said he met the girls. I bet AP has DNA all through that house.

I thought sausagepizza meant the sheets were soiled because the children released their bowels upon death.

 

[Colorado303]

The neighbors have a camera aimed at his driveway, I thought? So if he brought AP to his house, he's an idiot.

Not saying that CW did this, but I know someone who was having an affair and the AP routinely rode in the homeowners back seat under a blanket, he would pull his car into the garage and shut the garage door before the AP got out. In the morning they’d reverse the process and the AP would get back in their car parked a few miles away. Two years, lots of neighbors and no-one ever found out.

 

[Lady Justice21]

As I said in my other post, it is not the actual method of disposal, but the way in which it was done. Yes, some Indians use a pyre (though some do not), but thete is an actual ceremony involved. It is very respectful, beautiful even, and loved ones get the chance to say goodbye.

Technically, my son was burned and turned to ashes. But it was done by a professional. There was a beautiful earn chosen. The funeral service consisted of songs, memories, and readings.

What CW did with their bodies is in no way comparable to legitimate burial methods across the different cultures. My husband is an anthropologist and he can't think of a single culture that doesn't engage in some kind of burial rites with their method.

Yes, some cultures have water burials but having a 3-day wake on the shoreline and adorning the body with things they will need in the afterlife is in no way comparable to Christian Longo breaking bones to fit bodies into a suitcase and throwing them off bridges.

It is entirely possible I missed it as this thread is practically impossible to keep up with, but I really don't think (IMO) anyone myself included was in any way attempting to call what he did a ritual or imply that this was a proper or appropriate burial.

CW was at the minimum tampering with their bodies and disposing of evidence and at maximum a murderer disposing of his victims. Why would we expect it to have been anything but repulsive. There is nothing he could have done that in my own opinion or view would have been a "nice" way to handle it afterwards. Had he tucked them in bed with their favorite blankies and stuffy I personally would have found that creepy af and equally repugnant.

Ps I am so very very sorry for your loss. I don't have words to adequately convey that.

 

[nwmouse]

Actually babies have been killed. In Persia as late as the late 1800’s a girl baby was killed because girls were not valued.

In Polynesia, babies were killed as a sacrfice as late as the late 1800’s or maybe even later than that.

I forget about China and girls? It was not too long ago.

Those are quick examples right off of the top of my head. Most places didn’t have oil wells until fairly recently . So the fact that there are crude oil spas sure paints a different picture than I have of crude oil as in, “No thank you very much.”

We have a couple posters saying oil has an important meaning to them. No one can say to them, “No, you cannot have that viewpoint. “ They have it.

It is not my viewpoint but to castigate someone for that viewpoint is denying them the right to express themselves

Yes, happened in Greenland as well with babies. However we live in the 21 century and laws have changed. Killing babies in this day and age is considered taboo worldwide.

 

[maeleemae]

I can't wait to see the evidence come out in detail. I believed 100% he did it to begin with but I'm 50/50 now. I can see the case either way.

Here’s something interesting. My apologies if it’s already been posted. This board is very hard to keep up with! Why don’t the prosecutors want the autopsy reports made public?

Frederick killings: Prosecution in Christopher Watts murder investigation requests autopsies be sealed

 

[MsBetsy]

Oh, thanks I didn't watch the video. I'll check it out.

ETA: I watched the video
The reporter says "You said you thought they were going to separate?"
Hairdresser says "That was the plan, that was definitely the plan"

Hmmmm....

Well, that might confirm the belief that some have that she was the one who wanted out and he may have had trouble accepting it or that it was mutual. But both couldn't be fine with it. Something to do with that fact had to have had something to do with what happened that night. Jmo

 

[greatminds]

Does anyone put any stock into the theory that on CW's watch, something accidental happened to one of the girls, which threw CW into a tailspin of panic and shock?

 

[Gardenista]

Here's the AB interview with the old roommate

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1835728773131206

 

[Colorado303]

I have a friend who taught at an international school in what is sometimes called Outer Mongolia and he calls just Mongolia and there is indeed ice cream there.

With nuts?

 

[Deleted member 230544]

I don’t think anyone is happy that four people lost their lives, but I definitely have gotten the impression there’s some glee w/some people when it comes to picking into SW’s FB videos and other elements of her personal life. My opinion only, but that is the way it has come across to me.

I respect your opinion Colorado303 ~ I myself admittedly have posted links on WS about SW's face book pages but I would like to go on record to say that it never gives me any joy to do so and my only purpose in doing so is to better understand and comprehend what is non-comprehensive.

 

[Whiteorchids]

@Colorado303 Do you know if either CW or SW ever showed any type of jealousy?

 

[Whiteorchids]

AB 9/18/18
1. Prosecution asked for Autopsy Report stay sealed. Why? Prosecution believes info about results is so critical to getting a conviction, they don’t want to take any chances. Information in autopsy could taint potential witnesses who have not yet been interviewed and jury pool.
2. Defense filed motion not to have to supply DNA, fingerprints, and palm prints because it is unreasonable search and seizure. It is routine for Prosecution to get this evidence, Defense is objecting just for the purpose of objecting.
3. Judged denied Defense request to investigate leaks, and today the Courts released a handful more documents. Defense filed an appeal asking judge to reconsider,
4. CW has access to newspapers.
5. Defense not happy about leaked information People Magazine printed and actually quoted them in motion. Motion cited that C.W. “showed no emotion when he was being booked,” “no evidence SW killed kids” “CW had been thinking about this for quite some time,” “evidence found in CW’struck.” “Evidence found in bedding, clothes, computers, phones, text messages, and search histories” Defense is not happy about this info getting out there.
6. Interesting that C.W. did not complain about information revealed about multiple affairs with male and female partners.
7. Has Defense been given discovery? As of two weeks ago, they haven’t been given a single page of discovery. Not unusual, CW hasn’t been arraigned, yet.
8. Defense could present a motion to dismiss the case if they can prove that State was selectively leaking pieces of information to taint the jury.
9. Richard Hodges, CW’s former roommate is guest on show. They attended classes together at the NASCAR Technical Institute. What kind of person is C.W.? CW was straight as an arrow. Very dedicated to school, very dedicated to his work, most likely to succeed. Wasn’t the kind of guy who went out and partied, a lot of guys did, but not C.W. He was more like, this is school, this is my future, and this is what I’m going to do. Worked hard, graduated with honors. Very strange to see someone like him being transformed into what we see today. A lot of old classmates have started talking and all on the same page, no one gets it. No one knows what to make of it. Hodges did not stay in touch over the years. After school they worked at the same dealership, but after that Hodges chose different career and moved. Lost touch. Hasn’t talked to him since 2005. None of school friends stayed in touch. CW was quiet and reserved, but not in negative fashion. Very rarely went out with friends. He was hard on himself, he wanted to get good grades and do well.
10. Hodges’ mom saved graduation program from 2004. Shows C.W. ‘s accolades. CW was most outstanding in class.
11. He worked out and was physically fit during school.
12. Does not remember C.W. dating anyone. Never brought anyone home. Didn’t seem odd. He was a perfectionist, very focused on grades. Reserved personality prevented him from meeting people. CW wasn’t a fan of large groups.
13. Any recollection of C.W. acting impulsively? No, he kept to his routine wasn’t impulsive. His attitude was he’d get down on himself once in a while if he didn’t think he was doing well. He pushed himself to do well in school. Never mad, very mellow. How he was,”emotionless” in his interview, that’s how he was back then.
14. Hodges biggest lesson from this whole situation is, “You think you know someone but you really don’t. There’s always gonna be people who have skeletons in their closets that they hide very well.”
15. Will Hodges reach out to him now? No. No need or desire to do so. Has not been contacted by either Prosecution or Defense.
16. What clues could be in Watts family trash? Why wasn’t it a crime scene starting Monday night? Trash day was a Tuesday, CW may have had 48 hours to clean up crime scene and get rid of it. LE didn’t have enough information or probable cause until second day.

Viewer Questions
1. Is C.W. being honest with his legal team? It’s actually a real problem. Not so sure of this image of C.W. being a loving family man is real. There’s something inside C.W. we’re not hearing about. Where are his current friends? Where is his family? How come nobody is speaking up for him? How come he was working in the Oil Industry and not for NASCAR that he had training for and loved so much? More silent than most other cases.

17. Got Hodges back on phone to discuss porch interviews. Hodges says the guy on the porch was typical C.W. The nervous rocking back and forth was him. Arms crossed, he was a shy guy. He’d do that. The part that seemed strange was the laugh, that was creepish, and never knew him to lie.

We now know he’s a scholastic murderer.

 

[flourish]

Does anyone put any stock into the theory that on CW's watch, something accidental happened to one of the girls, which threw CW into a tailspin of panic and shock?

I'm not discounting it yet