Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #30

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  • #601
Many people did come out and say they thought he was a loving father and husband, but what do they think of him now? NUA, the Thayers, the babysitter, Colorado, isalybra...they all thought he was a good guy, but now they see him for who he really is and I think that's what he was trying desperately to avoid. Yet he failed once again.
Yes, no one has come out publicly to say they believe his story. His family might believe it, but again the hurdles are far too big to try and do an interview explaining away even the behavior he admits to so far. It is horrific.
 
  • #602
Even if someone has a lot of friends and a handful of really good and close friends, I think it’s unrealistic to think they are going to come out publicly and get involved. jmo
The Thayers were his friends.
Close friends of Shanann Watts horrified they welcomed accused killer into their home
 
  • #603
Puzzling to me:
A mother happily announces her pregnancy, a new fetus, somewhat earlier than some other people would, but right on time with a lot of younger mothers these days.

After a few months the father of that fetus brutally murders the mother, curtailing all oxygen and life support for that baby, thus abruptly and cruelly ending his life same as though he reached down inside the uterus and violently slaughtered the baby. The father desecrates the body of that mother and her baby, leaving them in a shallow grave where rats, foxes, and turkey vultures can further predate upon, rip apart, and actually eat that baby and mother.

Yet, I wag my finger at the mother for announcing her pregnancy too early?

IMO
 
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  • #604
Many people did come out and say they thought he was a loving father and husband, but what do they think of him now? NUA, the Thayers, the babysitter, Colorado, isalybra...they all thought he was a good guy, but now they see him for who he really is and I think that's what he was trying desperately to avoid. Yet he failed once again.

I never followed any case such as Scott Peterson. Did high school friends think he was a good guy? I don’t think he was with Laci that long, was he?

Anyway, I am stunned that no one saw anything off.

I have “known” two murderers and their personalities were highly unpleasant. I have known compulsive liars and it isn’t that their personalities may be nasty. It is the lies that are so ridiculous.

Liars lies never make sense. Most people are too busy with their own lives to reflect upon a liar .

The people that know him may be instructed not to talk so we will not hear how they are putting two and two togethet
 
  • #605
They met in 2010, married in November 2012, and less than 6 years later she was strangled and placed in a shallow grave.

It’s obvious she was passionate about working for Le-Vel and loved promoting Thrive.

Perhaps what’s not so well remembered is the fact that she only started with Le-Vel in April 2017, 16 months before she was murdered.

With baby No. 3 on the way she knew she’d have to wind down her sales work towards the latter stages of her pregnancy and for some time after the birth of Nico. Maybe that’s part of her reason for working her heart out and trying to earn as much as possible before he was born.

I admire her on so many fronts and in my eyes she was a loving, caring mother and loved CW. However, when he started distancing himself from her and the girls, she must have started having concerns that he may have an interest in someone else. Her suspicions were such that she raised them with a few people. The fact that she spent 5 weeks away suggests to me that she now had a real belief that the marriage was in trouble and she may have been laying the groundwork to return to NC.
 
  • #606
LE said there is no evidence against Shan'nan, and yet you say "she had been accused of strangling her daughters", without mentioning that her murderer said that. And you imply that you are looking into this as a jury would "need to". There is no charge against SW, so why would you need to evaluate her as a jury would? IMO
Not to mention that her depression eight years ago was merely the starting place for the message she was delivering in this video and if you watch the video, throughout the entire thing, she's motivating, uplifting and inspiring people!
MOO
 
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  • #607
I saw these two videos last night.

The first video shows the back of the Watts house and was shot recently.
It's a moot point now, because CW isn't claiming someone took his family via the back anymore. However, it does show homes built ver close behind them their house. Perhaps they heard something or had security cameras. The back fence is very low. You can see how close the neigboring homes are by seeing the fence bewteen them and the neighbor's sprinkler going.

I have revised the floorplan to include the back stair off the deck and moved the BBQ grill. @PommyMommy supplied the flipped floorplans of their model and I revised the titles. I'm still not sure if I got the girls' bedrooms right. Let me know if I need to revise anything else.

(See attached floorplans below)
1. Watts 1st floor REV 3
2. Watts 2nd Floor Rev1

The second video is Ashleigh Banfield's interview with CW's roommate in NC.
They both worked at the same car dealership and attended the NASCAR school at the same time.

Ashleigh Banfield - CW’s roommate at the NASCAR school https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7x_PMx1g3M
Awesome job Saint! :)
Gosh, those yards really are tiny, aren't they.
And the house next door has a blown sprinkler head, there's a geyser!!
 
  • #608
I’ve been away for few days but been thinking and I really think CW was in over his head with his affair and wanted out of his life with SW and kids. SW could sense that something was wrong, maybe she even knew about his affair and still wanted to make it work. Either way, she knew he was distant recently and was trying to get them good again.

She was planning a gender reveal party and then a weekend getaway for the following weekend. After 5 weeks alone and his affair going well, I don’t think CW wanted anything to do with that and he decided his only way out was to kill them all so he could start fresh. JMO
 
  • #609
In the videos that she has , in any of them does CW promote Thrive? Does he speak about the pluses of what it has done for his life?
 
  • #610
This is so correct! A lying liar tried to pull this one and SW has not been accused....not by law. CW has in fact been formally accused of murdering a pregnant SW and their daughters. Charges don't get filed against someone without pretty damning evidence and murder charges of all of them have been filed against CW. His pathetic excuses are just that....pathetic.
Exactly. And, just because I'm a visual person, here's what that looks like:

Chris Watts – Charges FILED by the People of Colorado
COUNT 1: MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE, C.R.S. 18-3-102(1)(a) (F1){01011}

COUNT 2: MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE, C.R.S. 18-3-102(1)(a) (F1){01011}

COUNT 3: MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE, C.R.S. 18-3-102(1)(a) (F1){01011}

COUNT 4: MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE, C.R.S. 18-3-102(1)(f) (F1){01018}

COUNT 5: MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE, C.R.S. 18-3-102(1)(f) (F1){01018}

COUNT 6: UNLAWFUL TERMINATION OF PREGNANCY IN THE FIRST DEGREE, C.R.S. 18-3.5-103(1),(2) (F2){01073}

COUNT 7: TAMPERING WITH A DECEASED HUMAN BODY, C.R.S. 18-8-610.5 (F3){26065}

COUNT 8: TAMPERING WITH A DECEASED HUMAN BODY, C.R.S. 18-8-610.5 (F3){26065}

COUNT 9: TAMPERING WITH A DECEASED HUMAN BODY, C.R.S. 18-8-610.5 (F3){26065}

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user.../2018CR2003/001/COMPLAINT AND INFORMATION.pdf

Shanann Watts - Chris said she did it

MOO

 
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  • #611
Many people did come out and say they thought he was a loving father and husband, but what do they think of him now? NUA, the Thayers, the babysitter, Colorado, isalybra...they all thought he was a good guy, but now they see him for who he really is and I think that's what he was trying desperately to avoid. Yet he failed once again.

RSBM
The people that know him may be instructed not to talk so we will not hear how they are putting two and two togethet

The people I named in the post you quoted are all people who know CW. They have talked. We heard them say exactly how they put two and two together.
 
  • #612
After the early shut down last night, I went and took a second look at a few FB videos where CW plays with the girls and also where CW and SW are laughing together over the girls. It is just amazing to me that over the years when I have heard people close to a guilty person say something to the effect that "they were such a good guy!" I always doubted that they knew what to look for or were in denial (or did not know them that well). Not that these videos show us all or anything....but it is a window to see just how genuinely normal (for lack of a better word) or even loving/caring someone can appear who could go on to commit something so horrific. If he lacked empathy all along, living that lie was Oscar winning IMO. In these snippets, it truly does not appear hollow to me.
I still can't wrap my brain around this. Maybe I just don't WANT to wrap my brain around the fact that he planned all of this. in.advance. That just seems impossible that a father/husband who seemingly loved his family would do this. There is also the chance that something accidental happened that caused the terrible chain of events that followed. I just don't know. I do know, however, from personal experience, that some people have black hearts. Dark, hollow, black, disturbed, hearts & they are very very good at looking "normal" on the outside and acting accordingly. This... this description is the only thing that makes sense (and tbh I still can't fathom it) to me. Even if things happened the way he claims they did, his reaction, disposing of his entire family the way he did & then acting as though they were missing, argggggggggghhhh..... it's perplexing. It's very hard for me to even try to sort out or make sense of. It's like trying to reason out why the rind of an orange is orange & why the rind of a lemon is yellow.
 
  • #613
Here is a summary (since this video is 15 minutes long) of the video for anyone who doesn’t have time to listen or can’t access Facebook. If you can listen, please do, as it exemplifies everything our two VI’s @isalybra and @Colorado303, Shanann’s family and her friends say about her. It is positive, uplifting and inspirational.

She's in her office and says it’s a mess, so she's cleaning while the kids are sleeping and found one of her baby pictures. She holds it up for her viewers to see and tells them “it's totally CeCe,” but that she sees Bella in it too. She says she wants to do this live to talk about herself (vs. Thrive). She was inspired to do so after talking to a friend from high school who she's talked to off and on for the last couple of years but never really any in-depth conversation to get to know what's going in their life and vice-versa.

One thing that she has learned about herself is that she loves, loves helping people. She says she was in a place for a long time where she was very insecure, didn't feel good about herself, wasn't happy, was in a bad relationship and went through a really awful divorce. She lost her confidence and had to start over financially. Everything that she had doubted before came flooding back. Her boss at the time took her under her wing and helped her regain her confidence. In short, she went through a long struggle with her ex but credits him for making her a better person. She says she always sees the good in the bad and promises her viewers that if you dig deep enough into your struggle, you'll see the good and the positive in it.

She was diagnosed with "health challenges" in 2010 which put her in a really bad place. She didn't feel good about herself and lost many friends because they didn't understand what was happening. She says, "I looked like this still, but my inside felt awful." At the same time she was in this bad place, she says, "I met my Chris." She says that he's been the best thing, besides her children, that has ever happened to her. He understood her struggles, was okay with her canceling dates or reservations last minute because, "ten minutes ago I felt amazing, and then ten minutes later I didn't."

She believes that things happen for a reason and that God works in mysterious ways. She believes he places people in our lives at the right time. Her struggle that year helped her see her husband. She initially ignored his friend request, deleting it - fast forward 6 months to when she was diagnosed with her health challenges...he sent her another friend request and she said, "What the heck. We're never going to meet, it's just Facebook, right?" And they met, and they fell in love and she says, "I couldn't ask God for a better man in my life because he's so supportive. He takes care of me, he's becoming funnier…” “he's sexy, he's good looking and he does take care of our girls. He's probably the best father I could have asked for, for my children."

She says she has people in her life that just talking to them, makes her a better person. She says, "Make sure you have people in your life who encourage you and motivate you and compliment you." She says, "Find your purpose." She says the reason she loves Thrive so much is that she found a purpose and she feels amazing.

She says she felt like a failure because she never completed college she started into a bad relationship and quit college to take care of him so he could go to college, then never started back. When she did, she was diagnosed with her health challenges that limited her ability to concentrate and focus, which was really hard for her because she's not a quitter. If she fails, she picks herself back up.

And now, even though she didn't finish college, she has a purpose. It's a blessing to be able to help somebody and she no longer feels like a failure. She doesn't feel like she has to prove anything to anybody but herself, her kids and create an example of a good person for them - of a leader. That's her goal. At the end of the day, she wants to help whoever it is who wants a better life for themselves or their family. "I love helping people," she says. "I love motivating. I love encouraging. I love sharing passion with others. I love that." She defines success as being able to make a difference in someone else's life. She says that is huge for her.

She says, "I love you guys. Find your purpose in life. Find your purpose in every day. Find what it is that drives you to be a better person and cling onto it. Like, run with it." She says if anyone needs motivation, someone to boost them up, or someone to talk to, "I'm here." She says she can never have too many people to help motivate her, encourage her and to help make her a better person. She says, "You don't have to join my team...there's so much negativity in the world that we lose that positive feeling."

She wishes her listeners a wonderful day and tells them to do something today to make somebody else smile and be a better person. She tells them to teach their kids to be positive instead of, “…all this negativity we have going on. There's just too much of it. Our kids deserve better. I want my kids raised in a better world, so we need to make a better world, so make somebody happy today, find your purpose..."

She says that every day she writes down what she's grateful for. Today she was grateful for her children, of course. She's grateful for waking up feeling great and she's grateful that her job cut back her hours this week. She looked at the positive and now she has time to help other people. She has more time to spend with her kids and that's what she's grateful for.

MOO
Shanann was an amazing woman. It wasn't just what and who she was, that was lost, but who she would have been. Likewise, her three beautiful children. The potential will never be realized. CW took a bright future and has made it a black hole. He, and he alone, is responsible: through his decisions, his actions, and his lies! Shanann was on an upward trajectory carrying those around her, with her. I have to believe that time and the truth will sustain that trajectory!
 
  • #614
I still can't wrap my brain around this. Maybe I just don't WANT to wrap my brain around the fact that he planned all of this. in.advance. That just seems impossible that a father/husband who seemingly loved his family would do this. There is also the chance that something accidental happened that caused the terrible chain of events that followed. I just don't know. I do know, however, from personal experience, that some people have black hearts. Dark, hollow, black, disturbed, hearts & they are very very good at looking "normal" on the outside and acting accordingly. This... this description is the only thing that makes sense (and tbh I still can't fathom it) to me. Even if things happened the way he claims they did, his reaction, disposing of his entire family the way he did & then acting as though they were missing, argggggggggghhhh..... it's perplexing. It's very hard for me to even try to sort out or make sense of. It's like trying to reason out why the rind of an orange is orange & why the rind of a lemon is yellow.
But, when you have children and there is an accident, you call 911 don't you? Not kill your pregnant wife and hide all the bodies? He has confessed to doing just that.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...18CR2003/001/Warrantless Arrest Affidavit.pdf

MOO
 
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  • #615
I still can't wrap my brain around this. Maybe I just don't WANT to wrap my brain around the fact that he planned all of this. in.advance. That just seems impossible that a father/husband who seemingly loved his family would do this. There is also the chance that something accidental happened that caused the terrible chain of events that followed. I just don't know. I do know, however, from personal experience, that some people have black hearts. Dark, hollow, black, disturbed, hearts & they are very very good at looking "normal" on the outside and acting accordingly.

And some people have no heart at all.
 
  • #616
LE said there is no evidence against Shan'nan, and yet you say "she had been accused of strangling her daughters", without mentioning that her murderer said that. And you imply that you are looking into this as a jury would "need to". There is no charge against SW, so why would you need to evaluate her as a jury would? IMO
“There is absolutely no evidence that she killed her children,” the source tells PEOPLE in this week’s issue. “None at all. And there is physical evidence to tie him to their murders. Strangulation is a very personal way to kill someone, with a lot of physical contact. Just based on the preliminary evidence, everything is consistent with him killing them all.”'Absolutely No Evidence' Shan'ann Watts Killed Her Daughters: Police Source
 
  • #617
When I read that CW is despondent and depressed in jail I ponder why. Is it because he can't believe what he has done? Is it because of what his life will be once he is convicted of all the murders? Is it because he misses his lover? Is it because he has shamed his parents? Is it all of the above? These are all self centered reasons.
A normal person would feel despondent and depressed because their family is dead, their little children won't grow up to have a career, get married, have their own families. A normal person would be depressed because a huge part of them will be sorely missed forever. A normal person...
 
  • #618
Awesome job Saint! :)
Gosh, those yards really are tiny, aren't they.
And the house next door has a blown sprinkler head, there's a geyser!!
Sorry that I had so many typos. The thread closed before I could correct them.
 
  • #619
Especially when they repeat the same things in those interviews that other murderers do. (Is there a script for this or something?)

Nick Matos, also in his early 30's, also confessed, also killed four people (he shot his ex-girlfriend and her father, beat to death her new boyfriend and used the same hammer to crush the head of the ex-girlfriend’s mother) and when an attorney asked what that day was like for him, he said, "It was the worst day of my life, a horrible experience, like a nightmare I couldn’t wake up from.
Adam Matos guilty in brutal Hudson quadruple-murder

Chris Watts, in his 30's, confessed, killed four people and said, "It’s like a nightmare I can’t wake up from."
Chris Watts: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

MOO


"I wished it was a nightmare I could wake up from and find out that everything was the same way it was before," said Arias

Jodi Arias trial: Murder suspect can't remember most of killing
 
  • #620
I saw these two videos last night.

The first video shows the back of the Watts house and was shot recently.
It's a moot point now, because CW isn't claiming someone took his family via the back anymore. However, it does show homes built ver close behind them their house. Perhaps they heard something or had security cameras. The back fence is very low. You can see how close the neigboring homes are by seeing the fence bewteen them and the neighbor's sprinkler going.

I have revised the floorplan to include the back stair off the deck and moved the BBQ grill. @PommyMommy supplied the flipped floorplans of their model and I revised the titles. I'm still not sure if I got the girls' bedrooms right. Let me know if I need to revise anything else.

(See attached floorplans below)
1. Watts 1st floor REV 3
2. Watts 2nd Floor Rev1

The second video is Ashleigh Banfield's interview with CW's roommate in NC.
They both worked at the same car dealership and attended the NASCAR school at the same time.

Ashleigh Banfield - CW’s roommate at the NASCAR school https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7x_PMx1g3M
Thank you so much for keeping the floor plan updated for us @The Saint. I have missed seeing your posts here.

I'm also bringing this forward because @human asked a question about the car dealership. Maybe the video linked in the quoted post will help.

MOO
 
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