Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #30

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  • #121
This is a misunderstanding, my fault. What I meant is that he must have been seen by co-workers upon arrival back at the Hudson work site, and I hoped that LE had questioned them, assuming he had co workers there. He could have had oil on him (before work), could have been jumpy, whatever. Anyway that's what I meant. I probably should have said "shortly" instead of "minutes" after. IMO Also, a co worker could have seen that he was returning to work from the Roggen direction, not FR.
Oh okay, I gotcha. But, do we know he arrived at the Hudson site? I've wondered about that. Seems he was in a hurry to leave the sheet and the bag behind. I'm wondering if he was still at the recovery site when NUA called. But hopefully, there are some witnesses out there who saw him!

MOO
 
  • #122
Also IMO if it did happen when she got home why would he wait three hours before leaving ? He left earlier than usual anyway at @5:22. Why not leave at 3:00? He would have had more time to dispose of bodies. And some time to stage the house . IMO he didn’t sit in the house for three hours with the dead bodies not even attempting to gather her purse and phone to dispose of . If it happened between 4-5 am IMO fits the timeline they were used to getting up. Thus a heated discussion time possibly about the other woman the 2am time and her sleeping on couch upset.
IMO it would have taken a significant amount of time just to do what he did. As to why he wouldn't have just left earlier... IMO it wouldn't have raised much suspicion to leave when he did arriving at the Cervi 319 when he did, because by that time it was daylight-ish. IMO it would have been a huge red flag for him to have been seen driving around out there in the dark.... as in quite awhile before first light.
 
  • #123
[QUOTE="human, post: 14415051, member: 48484"]Would you videotape yourself saying mean things to your husband for the world to see?

When I take photis or videos, I edit them. I want them to look good and capture the fun moments or beauty.


If I take a picture of the interior of my house, I edit out something I may not realize was there such as some crumbs or a dead insect.

I think most people try to present the best.

Their videos are something else.[/QUOTE]

Ok, are you saying that you say 'mean' things to your husband too? But you aren't as honest as SW was about it?

Just kidding...but I am wondering why all the criticism of her ribbing her husband, when most of us say similar things...JMO
 
  • #124
I count things like that as well. Some people say 'you know' constantly and it drives me batty.
In the MacDonald case, an expert said that repetitive use of the word "like" is an indication of lying. Unless it's something a person normally does.
 
  • #125
IMO it would have taken a significant amount of time just to do what he did. As to why he wouldn't have just left earlier... IMO it wouldn't have raised much suspicion to leave when he did arriving at the Cervi 319 when he did, because by that time it was daylight-ish. IMO it would have been a huge red flag for him to have been seen driving around out there in the dark.... as in quite awhile before first light.
To be fair if it took one hour to kill her and load three bodies into truck what do you think he did for the other two hours?
 
  • #126
This is a misunderstanding, my fault. What I meant is that he must have been seen by co-workers upon arrival back at the Hudson work site, and I hoped that LE had questioned them, assuming he had co workers there. He could have had oil on him (before work), could have been jumpy, whatever. Anyway that's what I meant. I probably should have said "shortly" instead of "minutes" after. IMO Also, a co worker could have seen that he was returning to work from the Roggen direction, not FR.
I'm wondering if those workers checked in at the office before work, some jobs where the travel is involved the worker goes straight from home to wherever the worksite or appt etc is. Do we know if checked in mornings? Like punching in on a time clock or something?
 
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  • #127
Denver 7 Video Transcript
Video: Chris Watts pleads for kids, wife to return day before his arrest in their murders

Chris Watts

1:07 – 1:30 – Right now its they’ve got K-9 units, the Sheriff’s Dept., everybody’s like, they’re doing their best right now to figure out if they can get a scent, see where they went, if they went on foot if they went in a car, if they went somewhere. And right now it’s just like, they’ve been on point, they’re going through the house trying to get a scent and hopefully they can pick something up to where it’s going to lead to something.

1:35 -2:13 – She came home from the airport at 2 a.m. and I left around 5:15, she was still here. And about 12:10 that afternoon her friend showed up at the door, like I had texted Shanann a couple times that day, called her to say, hey, you know, but she never got back to me. But she wasn’t getting back to any of her people as well, and that’s what really concerned a lot of people, is like if she’s not getting back to me that’s fine, she gets busy during the day, but she didn’t get back to her people which is really concerning. And Nicole called me when she was at the door and that’s when I came home and then walked in the house and nothing, just vanished, nothing was here.

2:14 – 2:17 – I mean she wasn’t here, the kids weren’t here, nobody was here.

2:22 – “Bella and Celeste”

2:30 2:33 – “Bella’s 4 and Celeste is 3.”

2:37 – 3:01 – “I called her 3 times, texted her about three times just to say, you know, what’s going on. Like after I called her and texted her once it was like, maybe she was just busy, she had just gotten back, you know. Like everybody’s probable calling her from her trip you know. She just got back from Arizona and I figured she was just busy, but when her friend showed up that’s when it just registered -- like alright, this isn’t right.”

3:04 (Tomas asks, “Do you think she just took off?”)

3:06 – 3:49 – I mean right now I don’t even want to just like throw anything out there, like I hope that she’s somewhere safe right now and with the kids, but I mean could she have van…could she have just taken off, I don’t know, but if someone has her and they’re not safe I’ll want them back now. Like, that’s, that, that’s what’s in my head is like, if they’re safe right now, they’re gonna come back, but if they’re not safe right now that’s the not knowing part, like if they’re not safe. Last night I was, I had every light in the house on, I was hoping that I would just get just ran over by the kids running in the door and just like barrel rushing me, but it didn’t happen and it was just a traumatic night trying to be here.”

3:54 3:55 – (Stutters) I mean, er, I mean my kids are my life.

3:56 - 4:46 – I mean those smiles light up my life. And it’s like, I mean last night, like during like at like you know when they usually eat dinner, it was just like I miss them. Like, I mean I miss the telling them like you got to eat that, like or you’re not going to get your dessert, or just, like you’re not going to get your snack, after, you know (laughs). I miss that, like I miss them cuddled up on their couches, they have like a Minnie Mouse couch and a Sofia couch that like they cuddle up on or watch you know Bubble Guppies or something and it was just like you know, I miss, I was (sigh), it was tearing me apart last night and I needed that, I needed that last night and for them, for nobody to be here last night and to go into their rooms and not, and know that I wasn’t going to turn their rain machines on and know that I wasn’t going to turn their monitor on and know I wasn’t going to kiss them to bed tonight it was, (sigh) it was, I, I, that’s why last night was just horrible.

4:46 – 4:55 I couldn’t do it, I just, (laugh), I want everybody just to come home. Like, wherever they’re at, just come home. That’s what I want.

4:55 – 5:24 – Tomas moving camera, Chris explaining just timeline of when she was supposed to get home, flight delayed, when she got home at 1:48, got home, got to bed at 2.

5:36 – I left for work early that morning, like 5:15 to 5:30, so like, she bbarely I mean, she barely got, barely gotten into bed pretty much.

5:46 – 5:50 (Tomas – I know this might be a tough question, but did you guys get into an argument or anything before she left?)

5:51 – 5:55 – It wasn’t like an argument, we had an emotional conversation but I’ll leave it at that.

5:55 – 6:01 – “But it’s, sigh, I just want them back (smiles and laughs) I just want them to come back.”

6:02 – 6:14 – And if, if they’re not safe right now, that’s what’s tearing me apart, because if they are safe, they’re coming back, but if they’re not, this, this, this has got to stop, like this, somebody has to come forward.”

6:38 – 6:46 – Colorado is, I mean, um, you can’t just drive around and look, I mean it’s just like, you wouldn’t really know what you were looking for that’s what the cops pretty much told me.

6:46 – 6:50 – That first day I was like I want to get out and drive around and they were like you wouldn’t know what to look for.

7:02 – 7:33 – Right now this is, what they’re doing right now is with the K9 and the scents, I think this is the biggest thing they’ve done so far because yesterday they had, Fredrick police dept, they had all the searching of the house and try to guide out whatever information they could and with the detectives, officers, sergeants, and today its, I mean, obviously with all the activity that’s around, its, its, its, there’s a lot going on around here and I really hope that all this can lead to something positive.

7:51 – 7:56 (Tomas: “If your wife could see this, if she could watch this, what would you like to tell your wife?)

7:56 – Shanann, Bella, Celeste, if you’re out there, just come back, like if somebody has her, just please bring her back, I need to see everybody, I need to see everybody, again, this house is not complete without anybody here. Please bring them back.
Thanks for this transcript PommyMommy. Reading it I notice that at the 3:56 time he says it was hard during the night KNOWING he wasn’t going to turn their rain machines and monitors on, but in his “story” that day he didn’t KNOW they wouldn’t be coming in the door any moment. I am sure LE caught that.
 
  • #128
Yes! IMO & JMO if SW for some reason asked to talk to the girls & he didn't allow it, I believe this did start before she got home.

I think it’s highly likely she had the app on her phone to be able to see the monitor, and also frequently used FaceTime. So, IMO, this isn’t a probable scenario.
 
  • #129
I wouldn't be surprised to learn this whole thing began right when SW got home.
This is what I think, too. I think the children were already gone and taken away. And he likely attacked Shan’ann pretty much right away, IMO. I imagine she wanted to at least peek in on the girls before going to bed herself, and an “emotional conversation” resulted when they weren’t there. Etc.
 
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  • #130
Also IMO if it did happen when she got home why would he wait three hours before leaving ? He left earlier than usual anyway at @5:22. Why not leave at 3:00? He would have had more time to dispose of bodies. And some time to stage the house . IMO he didn’t sit in the house for three hours with the dead bodies not even attempting to gather her purse and phone to dispose of . If it happened between 4-5 am IMO fits the timeline they were used to getting up. Thus a heated discussion time possibly about the other woman the 2am time and her sleeping on couch upset.

When we discussed this a few threads ago, I came to the conclusion, after lengthy back and forth between members here, that he left at the time that it would be exactly Sunrise before he got to the spot.

Somebody threw that out there, and showed it was almost exactly the time of him leaving the house that he would get there at the dump site that the sun would be rising.

If I recall correctly, at that time folks here had the maps with travel times and the sunrise for that day.

Moo
 
  • #131
Thank you!
You're welcome! :)

Remember, our VI confirmed that SW knew about CW’s desire to separate before her trip; however, she may not have known about the AP until she returned home. MOO
He/She (the VI) cannot confirm that SW knew if she wasn't there to hear him tell SW. It could have been another one of CW's lies. I asked the VI if she was there when CW supposedly told SW he wanted to separate and never received a response.

It is gross but it does happen. One of our most appalling murder cases involved a group of men, one of whom took a fancy to, I think, a goat!!!
:eek:

Forgive me for replying without links, but IIRC he told LE he loaded the bodies in his pickup, but I'm not sure if he actually stated it was all at the same time.
Correct. According to the affidavit, he loaded all three bodies into the back seat of his work truck that morning.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...18CR2003/001/Warrantless Arrest Affidavit.pdf
 
  • #132
I'm wondering those workers checked in at the office before work, some jobs where the travel is involved the worker goes straight from home to wherever the worksite or appt etc is. Do we know if checked in mornings? Like punching in on a time clock or something?
I haven't seen any answer to that.
 
  • #133
To be fair if it took one hour to kill her and load three bodies into truck what do you think he did for the other two hours?
No idea. It's hard to say. None of what he had done can be imagined in my mind, so.....
 
  • #134
Also IMO if it did happen when she got home why would he wait three hours before leaving ? He left earlier than usual anyway at @5:22. Why not leave at 3:00? He would have had more time to dispose of bodies. And some time to stage the house . IMO he didn’t sit in the house for three hours with the dead bodies not even attempting to gather her purse and phone to dispose of . If it happened between 4-5 am IMO fits the timeline they were used to getting up. Thus a heated discussion time possibly about the other woman the 2am time and her sleeping on couch upset.

Good point!
 
  • #135
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  • #136
Thanks for this transcript PommyMommy. Reading it I notice that at the 3:56 time he says it was hard during the night KNOWING he wasn’t going to turn their rain machines and monitors on, but in his “story” that day he didn’t KNOW they wouldn’t be coming in the door any moment. I am sure LE caught that.
Oh, I'm sure they did too. ;)
MOO
 
  • #137
In the MacDonald case, an expert said that repetitive use of the word "like" is an indication of lying. Unless it's something a person normally does.

I don't personally believe that's the case. I remember that started around about the time Paris Hilton was in the news every day. She and her friends used it all the time and it took off like wildfire. Every second young person used it even here.
 
  • #138
Oh okay, I gotcha. But, do we know he arrived at the Hudson site? I've wondered about that. Seems he was in a hurry to leave the sheet and the bag behind. I'm wondering if he was still at the recovery site when NUA called. But hopefully, there are some witnesses out there who saw him!

MOO
there could be several sites around Hudson, or it could be an office, i don't think I've seen anything more than Hudson.
 
  • #139
I think it’s highly likely she had the app on her phone to be able to see the monitor, and also frequently used FaceTime. So, IMO, this isn’t a probable scenario.
Has it been established that she had the capability to see the monitors from her phone?
 
  • #140
When we discussed this a few threads ago, I came to the conclusion, after lengthy back and forth between members here, that he left at the time that it would be exactly Sunrise before he got to the spot.

Somebody threw that out there, and showed it was almost exactly the time of him leaving the house that he would get there at the dump site that the sun would be rising.

If I recall correctly, at that time folks here had the maps with travel times and the sunrise for that day.

Moo
also I don't think it's been answered if he actually had 24/7 access. Ive always wondered if he had to go through that cervil arch and maybe would have attracted too much attention had he gone st 3-4 am.
 
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