Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #30

[Thepoet]

Hopefully this will be answered at trial. Perhaps the AP gave him an ultimatum and said: choose her or me or I'm leaving you.

That's an interesting thought and could be the driving factor in CWs actions! What kind of pressure would that have caused?

 

[kirkassoc]

My first thought was why didn’t his father tell him to shut his mouth? To get back in that room and not say one more word until he had a lawyer present? But that didn’t happen, I thought maybe CW’s father might be an bonafide honorable man who advised his son to do the right thing, to tell the truth, and pay the consequences whatever they may be. Soon afterwards, SWs brother asked everyone to please pray for both families, he said that they’d all lost love ones, they were all suffering. Since then, I’ve heard very little, except that CWs family did not attend the funeral, and last week it was said on AB and in People Magazine about C.W., “ “He sleeps all day and isn’t really talking to anyone, including his family.” What does this mean? Has his father disowned him? Don’t know. 'Depression Is Setting in' for Chris Watts as He's Jailed in Deaths of Wife, Daughters, Source Says

I may be the only one who thinks this, but if it were my son, I would want him to tell the TRUTH!!! I hope he would understand, as I have taught him, there are consequences for your actions. Would a parent actually tell their child to lie in a situation like that? But, God only knows what he told his dad. We will probably never know what his dad truly believes happened either. What son wants to admit to his parent he killed the grand babies. And, I believe he did kill the grandbabies, all three of them. JMO MOO

 

[katydid23]

My first thought was why didn’t his father tell him to shut his mouth? To get back in that room and not say one more word until he had a lawyer present? But that didn’t happen, I thought maybe CW’s father might be an bonafide honorable man who advised his son to do the right thing, to tell the truth, and pay the consequences whatever they may be. Soon afterwards, SWs brother asked everyone to please pray for both families, he said that they’d all lost love ones, they were all suffering. Since then, I’ve heard very little, except that CWs family did not attend the funeral, and last week it was said on AB and in People Magazine about C.W., “ “He sleeps all day and isn’t really talking to anyone, including his family.” What does this mean? Has his father disowned him? Don’t know. 'Depression Is Setting in' for Chris Watts as He's Jailed in Deaths of Wife, Daughters, Source Says

I am really curious about what he said to his Dad when he first picked him up at the airport. Dad had to have asked a million questions at the time, wondering about his precious grand babies.

Where could they be? Should we call her parents or her brother? Do we think they could be back at home?

What did CW say to his father at that time?

It just seems to me, in my gut, that IF CW's story was true, he would have poured his heart out to his father, right then, at his first opportunity.

But I don't think he took that opportunity...I think he lied through his teeth to his Dad too. JMO

 

[katydid23]

I may be the only one who thinks this, but if it were my son, I would want him to tell the TRUTH!!! I hope he would understand, as I have taught him, there are consequences for your actions. Would a parent actually tell their child to lie in a situation like that?

My Dad was an attorney so he absolutely would have said ' keep your mouth shut' and wait for your lawyer to arrive before you answer any questions.

 

[Thepoet]

It's a brave new world. People live every bit of it online. Intimate stuff.

Not everyone does. I have younger relatives who are more private, some who are very private and some who post every last thought and act.

My siblings and I who are older are much more private than most of our younger relations.

Shanann was a solid millennial. They are the first generation to come of age in the era of dominating social media and smart phones. Their lives are consumed (comparatively speaking) with social media both in terms of how they socialize, get news and information, express themselves and most importantly, do business.

Shanann relied on social media to tell a narrative about a busy, harried wife and mom with the same struggles as everyone else - spouses who sometimes annoy, toddlers who are always imperfect, busy, jam-packed schedules, health concerns, a desire to look great and be fit- and how Thrive made all of that easier and more manageable for her.

She used social media to tell a story and sell a product. Part of that story was supposed to enable others to relate to her problems or issues but then see how her product made life better.

So she tried to be super positive but also, IMO, show the family imperfections and issues everyone has.

How does a mother with health issues and tantrumming toddlers and too much to do get through it with a laugh and a smile?

I mean I don't know if people realize just how much she posted. Look at FB alone (she also used twitter and Instagram) and see how many posts in that one month alone.

It's staggering. And it was for business.

She had to present a narrative in order to conduct that business. She probably did it the best way she knew how - with some humor, some self-deprecation, some snarkiness, some realism and as much positivity and gratitude for her family, friends and her business/product as she could muster. She wasn't a professional at PR. But she tried.

And now she's getting ripped apart for that by people who ignore her vast thousands of social media posts and pick the few that rub some the wrong way.

He backlash has stunned me.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.highsnobiety.com/2017/09/27/social-media-addiction/?format=amp

Millennials and privacy: How much do they really care?

As always, well said Gitana. Bravo! You are so right about SW and the whole SM scene.

 

[sun16]

My first thought was why didn’t his father tell him to shut his mouth? To get back in that room and not say one more word until he had a lawyer present? But that didn’t happen, I thought maybe CW’s father might be an bonafide honorable man who advised his son to do the right thing, to tell the truth, and pay the consequences whatever they may be. Soon afterwards, SWs brother asked everyone to please pray for both families, he said that they’d all lost love ones, they were all suffering. Since then, I’ve heard very little, except that CWs family did not attend the funeral, and last week it was said on AB and in People Magazine about C.W., “ “He sleeps all day and isn’t really talking to anyone, including his family.” What does this mean? Has his father disowned him? Don’t know. 'Depression Is Setting in' for Chris Watts as He's Jailed in Deaths of Wife, Daughters, Source Says

Do you think CW’s father thinks CW is telling the truth? The father is certainly in a spot.

 

[Layla123]

I am of the impression that if there was a hidden camera and CW was seen on video murdering everyone in the house, and if he finally came out and admitted doing exactly that, there are people who absolutely would still blame SW. Some people don't realize why they want her to be guilty, but I think some people (not saying this about ANY individual posting in here) do not like her or perhaps do not like her perfectionism or for some hidden reason just plain don't like her and so she will always be at fault. JMO, MOO. Mind boggling to me.

It is fascinating when you challenge someone like that with a logical and reasonable argument contradicting their theory, they ignore you. They refuse to accept new information, their minds are made up.

 

[gitana1]

I think some are exploring the possibility SW was responsible because it was put on the table. Even though CW lied and he's not a reliable source it's still not proven one way or another. Until it's proven some like to look at, examine and discuss everything on the table. jmo

Clearly it's valid to discuss the theory that he's innocent. And I think an examination of who these people were and how they interacted with one another and the world is fair.

That being said, some of the stuff I've seen here and on the internet in general has been horrible and utterly baseless, IMO. And uncessarily victim- bashing.

It's hard to draw a line for sure. But I've been appalled. And felt motivated to defend this poor woman and her family and friends.

There's a way to have an intellectual debate about the possibility of his innocence without making ludicrous insinuations about her character based on out of context and cherry-picked social media posts.

Example? For me, there's a difference between, "You know, I've seen some things here in her SM that make me wonder: Are there any signs of X here? Let's find some info on X and see if anything fits."

And "Wow. Look at her closets. Yup, she's got BPD."

My two cents.

 

[Bill Carson]

Its sad, isn't it? A beautiful young woman in her prime, pregnant with a bouncing baby boy on the way, and two adorable girls who were probably very excited to meet their baby brother Niko. Yet people *still* try to blame SW for being murdered with her toddlers, due to cherry-picked fb videos where she played in fun and showed some assertiveness. SMH. What is the world coming to when a pregnant mom and her daughters are murdered, but her social media videos are picked apart and then she is somehow blamed? And you know what else is mind-boggling - that its mainly other women who are picking her apart when we should be advocating for her as a homicide victim? Adding a MOO and also that I am *not* referring to anyone on this forum, just a general opinion.

I think the particular circumstances of this case with respect to social media are unfair to SW. Here's what I mean--

1. SW posted lots and lots of 'public' information on SM. ('Public' meaning no privacy limits on who can see it.)

2. CW deleted his SM a week before the murders. I think that is extremely damning in that is indicative of premeditation in these acts. Now, the real evidence that we have not seen may prove to us this was just a poorly-timed coincidence, but that would be a miracle, IMO.

3. SW overshared on her SM. I don't think anyone here would disagree with that. She posted a great deal of information--pictures, videos, updates--about her personal life and her family, including her children, and it is out there for the world to see. Yes, she did it to market and develop her business, and there's nothing wrong with that--that is a legitimate purpose, but most experts would recommend that personal information should be guarded better than that. Of course, her audience wasn't nearly as large before she was murdered, and she couldn't anticipate that.

4. SW's public SM was designed (IMO, again nothing wrong with this) to portray her family in a very positive light. Of course she did: she was selling products, for goodness sake! Plus, everybody on SM wants to create a positive image to some extent or another. (True, there are some people whose lives are a train wreck who overshare all their problems on SM trying to gain sympathy or whatever (I'm looking at one of my cousins in particular), but those are the minority.) And SW seemed to have a pretty good life--she lived in a big fine home, drove a fancy car, had a (seemingly) loving husband and two beautiful kids, appeared to be a good parent, always looked put together (makeup and nice clothes and whatnot), and had a really clean house.

5. Consequently, there is lots of SW's material for the public to pore over, judge, and second-guess, but there is nothing of CW's to pore over, judge, and second-guess.

6. And I think lots of people are envious of the things that SW seemed to have, and for whatever reason, they judge and are hateful. I can't explain this, other than human nature. It's awful, but people suck. (I AM NOT REFERRING TO ANYONE HERE ON WS.)

So yeah, the whole deal is extremely unfair and disrespectful of SW's memory.

 

[gitana1]

Do you think CW’s father thinks CW is telling the truth? The father is certainly in a spot.

Yes. Denial is a powerful thing.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

It is fascinating when you challenge someone like that with a logical and reasonable argument contradicting their theory, they ignore you. They refuse to accept new information, their minds are made up.

Who is they? What am I missing?

 

[Deleted member 182072]

Its sad, isn't it? A beautiful young woman in her prime, pregnant with a bouncing baby boy on the way, and two adorable girls who were probably very excited to meet their baby brother Niko. Yet people *still* try to blame SW for being murdered with her toddlers, due to cherry-picked fb videos where she played in fun and showed some assertiveness. SMH. What is the world coming to when a pregnant mom and her daughters are murdered, but her social media videos are picked apart and then she is somehow blamed? And you know what else is mind-boggling - that its mainly other women who are picking her apart when we should be advocating for her as a homicide victim? Adding a MOO and also that I am *not* referring to anyone on this forum, just a general opinion.

Yes, it's absolutely sad. There's something really sick, twisted stuff out there. Some are blaming her for getting pregnant again and wanting to bring another sickly child into the world. Some even hoping that CW showed her the dead babies before he killed her just so she would suffer more for what she drove him to do. It even gets worse than that. And most those people seem to recognize that CW did kill the girls but they don't care. They just make excuses for him and blame her anyway.

The cherry-picked videos I've seen on those other sites were the same ones first posted here. And I've yet to see any relevant connection being made for any argument or theory that she murdered the girls.

I never had any problem with arguments for CW's version of events. Those are the kind of posts that inspire ones like Gitana's brilliant post at the beginning of this thread. Also because I'm absolutely certain that CW will be proven the sole murderer waaay beyond any reasonable doubt.

It's the vitriol and victim blaming I can't take any longer, so I'm going to be taking a very long break from this and other forums that deal with the Watts' murders.

 

[gitana1]

And the same Santa/Daddy gets no criticism for not comforting his daughters.
They were sitting on his knee, not hers. Has he no obligation to comfort his upset daughters that he is holding on his knee?

The argument is he was abused and controlled and thus had no agency or ability to protect his kids and cannot be blamed, while she can.

I reject that for moms or dads.

 

[nwmouse]

Yes, it's absolutely sad. There's something really sick, twisted stuff out there. Some are blaming her for getting pregnant again and wanting to bring another sickly child into the world. Some even hoping that CW showed her the dead babies before he killed her just so she would suffer more for what she drove him to do. It even gets worse than that. And most those people seem to recognize that CW did kill the girls but they don't care. They just make excuses for him and blame her anyway.

The cherry-picked videos I've seen on those other sites were the same ones first posted here. And I've yet to see any relevant connection being made for any argument or theory that she murdered the girls.

I never had any problem with arguments for CW's version of events. Those are the kind of posts that inspire ones like Gitana's brilliant post at the beginning of this thread. Also because I'm absolutely certain that CW will be proven the sole murderer waaay beyond any reasonable doubt.

It's the vitriol and victim blaming I can't take any longer, so I'm going to be taking a very long break from this and other forums that deal with the Watts' murders.

Hugs, Daisy. I know this trial is going to be a long and bumpy ride and let's all hope that justice will be served.

 

[Jennifer17]

Yes. Denial is a powerful thing.

I agree. Some people will make any excuses for their children's behaviour.

 

[Bill Carson]

My Dad was an attorney so he absolutely would have said ' keep your mouth shut' and wait for your lawyer to arrive before you answer any questions.

Your dad was a smart man. Lots of people get in trouble because they think they have done nothing wrong or they think "if I just explain it then they'll understand," and it comes back to haunt them.

 

[nwmouse]

I think the particular circumstances of this case with respect to social media are unfair to SW. Here's what I mean--

1. SW posted lots and lots of 'public' information on SM. ('Public' meaning no privacy limits on who can see it.)

2. CW deleted his SM a week before the murders. I think that is extremely damning in that is indicative of premeditation in these acts. Now, the real evidence that we have not seen may prove to us this was just a poorly-timed coincidence, but that would be a miracle, IMO.

3. SW overshared on her SM. I don't think anyone here would disagree with that. She posted a great deal of information--pictures, videos, updates--about her personal life and her family, including her children, and it is out there for the world to see. Yes, she did it to market and develop her business, and there's nothing wrong with that--that is a legitimate purpose, but most experts would recommend that personal information should be guarded better than that. Of course, her audience wasn't nearly as large before she was murdered, and she couldn't anticipate that.

4. SW's public SM was designed (IMO, again nothing wrong with this) to portray her family in a very positive light. Of course she did: she was selling products, for goodness sake! Plus, everybody on SM wants to create a positive image to some extent or another. (True, there are some people whose lives are a train wreck who overshare all their problems on SM trying to gain sympathy or whatever (I'm looking at one of my cousins in particular), but those are the minority.) And SW seemed to have a pretty good life--she lived in a big fine home, drove a fancy car, had a (seemingly) loving husband and two beautiful kids, appeared to be a good parent, always looked put together (makeup and nice clothes and whatnot), and had a really clean house.

5. Consequently, there is lots of SW's material for the public to pore over, judge, and second-guess, but there is nothing of CW's to pore over, judge, and second-guess.

6. And I think lots of people are envious of the things that SW seemed to have, and for whatever reason, they judge and are hateful. I can't explain this, other than human nature. It's awful, but people suck. (I AM NOT REFERRING TO ANYONE HERE ON WS.)

So yeah, the whole deal is extremely unfair and disrespectful of SW's memory.

Thank you for expressing the facts so eloquently. Its dreadful to know that SW's character is being dissected and disrespected. Let's hope that this trial vindicates SW completely and shows who the true killer is.

 

[Layla123]

Do you think CW’s father thinks CW is telling the truth? The father is certainly in a spot.

I’ve never seen anything like it. So far, no one is willing to put their name out there to defend C.W. I don’t know what that means. I don’t know if CW’s father stayed in Colorado, or if he went back home. I imagine if he stayed in Colorado, he’d stay at CW’s house, hotels can get expensive, but you’d think some news organization would have filmed him coming and going, but so far, nothing. From what I’ve seen, I lean toward his father is horrified and wants nothing to do with him. But I don’t know. Maybe, the Defense has advised him to stay quiet and away.

 

[pocketaccent]

I don't agree with everything that's being discussed regarding the videos either. Some of it seems odd to me, but not extremely odd, and IMO it's not enough to convict or say someone is guilty of murder. I haven't participated in those conversations. I haven't discussed the videos in that capacity and I don't plan on it. I'm not ready to give my opinion on where I stand because I don't know enough yet. jmo

I completely understand your position, Tippy. You are not saying CW did it, or SW did it. Not yet. No one is able to persuade you one way or another. Not yet. You'd make an ideal juror for both sides in the courtroom.

 

[borndem]

And it's not just personal use. More and more businesses are using social media to reach customers. One of my business contacts LOVES Facebook Live. He is on once a week answering questions about professional marketing. I have "appeared" on his show to talk about a Supreme Court case relevant to his clients. Social media advisors will tell you to sell "yourself" on social media and the business will follow. And I don't mean MLMs, this is advice to lawyers, doctors, accountants. My new dentist has an instagram account for his practice. My clients routinely request to add me as a friend on Facebook and then seem surprised when I post about my pets and hobbies instead of the law. It is really becoming all-consuming even if you don't want it to be.
I think whether we personally think this whole phenomenon is good and healthy is different and irrelevant to the fact that one person used social media as it is commonly used - a place to share every mundane detail of your life.

It's amazing, isn't it? One minute we wonder how we got along without i-phones and such, and the next minute we wish there were no such thing -- well, really, not really that often!
I just this week closed my f-book account -- the only reason I signed-up for it was to use it for WS -- I have never used it for anything else. I got paranoid about it since I didn't know that much about the privacy, etc., etc., so I just slinked away from it. I think I'll survive -- but nothing against it -- my DH uses it a lot to "talk" with his fishing buddies and old HS & college buds.

I can see how SW and her company could use it as a tool to get the word out on new products, specials, events, etc. That probably helped her by her not having to leave the house when there was something special going on -- and also to keep her family & friends in touch with the girls. Now that has come to a horrible, screeching halt. No more cute little girl antics and fun times. But the ones that were sent will at least still be out there.
Not so sure about CW's, however.