Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #30

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  • #661
I could be wrong, but my perception of CW doesn't fit. My perception could change drastically once more information is known. jmo
I understand. It is difficult for people who have not studied family annihilator's to comprehend. That's exactly why there have been studies and how those of us who have followed cases are able to see how someone like CW is capable of murdering his family - if you take the time to read at those links, you might see that he fits the classic example to a T. It is probably hardest on his family and friends to understand it. I feel for all of them.
MOO
 
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  • #662
I realize that, perhaps you missed my point. jmo
Just as many VIs are saying good things about SW as are those who are not saying good things about SW. And there are 2 APs who certainly are/were badmouthing CW, not counting the AP who is silent and cooperating with LE, IIRC. Why is CW's own family not even taking a public stand in his favor?
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  • #663
As with all the videos, I will not watch. But no, she was repeating what her doctor told her, probably. In my 20+ years sinces lupus diagnosis, I've had plenty of doctors tell me direct opposite of what the previous doctor told me. I was told I had 5 years to live, next doctor said 10.... I am still here. I was told I couldn't have children, well, I could get pregnant just fine, just miscarried them all. Every single case of lupus is different, but doctors give a "one size fits all speech".
Babybutterfly, could I ask you something about having Lupus? I thought that besides stress, the other big trigger for a flareup was being out in the sun (UV exposure). In her videos of Thrive trips, SW was in her bathing suit by a pool or beach. I thought that was pretty much forbidden if you have Lupus.
 
  • #664
CW had just had 5 weeks alone away from SW and the babies. He had total freedom … and he loved it. He went to work in the day and was free each night to do whatever he liked and see whoever took his fancy. He didn’t have to account for his time, had no chores, no responsibilities and just led the carefree life of a single man … and he loved it. He wanted it all and he wanted it now. After the weekend with the girls, he knew it was a only a matter of hours before it was back to the old routine and it was a case of out with the old and in with the new.

Life is all about choices. He selfishly chose to sacrifice the lives of his family and will now have to pay the price for making the worst choice imaginable. Murdering his defenceless pregnant wife and two tiny tots who obviously loved him, who he was responsible for bringing into the world, is something I’ll never forget and will never forgive.
That made me think of something. I’ve read somewhere that SW made a few references to a friend that she thinks CW may be cheating on her. I don’t know when that was in time, but it made me think how brave she was to leave him alone for five weeks. Sort of like “when the cat’s away, the mice will play”.
 
  • #665
I could be wrong, but my perception of CW doesn't fit. My perception could change drastically once more information is known. jmo
In what ways do you think CW differs from the profile of a family annihilator? In particular, how is he different from say Scott Peterson since most of us are well acquainted with that case, IMO?
 
  • #666
That made me think of something. I’ve read somewhere that SW made a few references to a friend that she thinks CW may be cheating on her. I don’t know when that was in time, but it made me think how brave she was to leave him alone for five weeks. Sort of like “when the cat’s away, the mice will play”.
Excellent point. It is hardly the mark of a woman with control issues (e.g. who needs to control her man).
 
  • #667
Babybutterfly, could I ask you something about having Lupus? I thought that besides stress, the other big trigger for a flareup was being out in the sun (UV exposure). In her videos of Thrive trips, SW was in her bathing suit by a pool or beach. I thought that was pretty much forbidden if you have Lupus.
My wife has arthritis... and contracted Lupus from previous medication. Now she can not go in the sun because of breakouts.
 
  • #668
I’m definitely not saying that the demise of her marriage would/did not make her sad. It would be truly bizarre if she wasn’t feeling most or all of the emotions you suggest. But I do think her previous life experience would tell her there is light at the end of even the darkest tunnel.

What’s the silly NG trope? About knowing a horse by it’s track record? It seems to me that when SW experienced major troubles in her life, she had a track record of getting up off the mat and pulling it back together. I believe three babies would be even bigger motivation to do it again. Jmo.
I agree. She says in the video we have been discussing that she's not a quitter. If she fails, she picks herself back up. Great video if anyone has not seen it. She is positive, uplifting and inspiring. And, if you missed my typed summary a few pages back, let me know and I'll be glad to post it again. :)
 
  • #669
Based on all available evidence SW was positive and happy. Did she have times of doubt and concern? Of course. We ALL have times of doubt and concern! But she was a fighter and had a history of over-coming adversity and coming out ahead.

And, not only was she a good Mother, she was a good wife! How do I know that? Trinket told us that Shanann was CW's first serious relationship. She opened that up for him. Look at his life before SW, and after. She gave him purpose, helped him build confidence, and joined him in building a family. She loved him. Married couples snipe at each other, insult, nag, belittle, etc., because married couples are human. SW was human. SW also uplifted, praised, and gave. She gave more than anyone else in his life had given!

SW DID NOT deviate in her life course, it was CW who deviated. He was the one who chose to cheat and it was most likely his pathology that led to it, not anything she had done or was doing.
 
  • #670
Premeditation can take just seconds. I want to know when he decided to kill them and why.

Yes, it only needs the intent and that can indeed take seconds. But I think he'd made up his mind at least by time he removed his FB.
 
  • #671
Babybutterfly, could I ask you something about having Lupus? I thought that besides stress, the other big trigger for a flareup was being out in the sun (UV exposure). In her videos of Thrive trips, SW was in her bathing suit by a pool or beach. I thought that was pretty much forbidden if you have Lupus.

Yes people with lupus can wear swimsuits, they just have to protect from the sun.
Look at selena gomez, wears swimsuits all the time and she does have lupus. Also, i am a physician.
 
  • #672
I don’t know when that was in time, but it made me think how brave she was to leave him alone for five weeks. Sort of like “when the cat’s away, the mice will play”.

Perfect time to get some kind of clarity.. If I would suspect my husband cheating on me I would probably take this into consideration and ask a friend of mine to spy him out :D.
 
  • #673
Here is a summary (since this video is 15 minutes long) of the video for anyone who doesn’t have time to listen or can’t access Facebook. If you can listen, please do, as it exemplifies everything our two VI’s @isalybra and @Colorado303, Shanann’s family and her friends say about her. It is positive, uplifting and inspirational.

She's in her office and says it’s a mess, so she's cleaning while the kids are sleeping and found one of her baby pictures. She holds it up for her viewers to see and tells them “it's totally CeCe,” but that she sees Bella in it too. She says she wants to do this live to talk about herself (vs. Thrive). She was inspired to do so after talking to a friend from high school who she's talked to off and on for the last couple of years but never really any in-depth conversation to get to know what's going in their life and vice-versa.

One thing that she has learned about herself is that she loves, loves helping people. She says she was in a place for a long time where she was very insecure, didn't feel good about herself, wasn't happy, was in a bad relationship and went through a really awful divorce. She lost her confidence and had to start over financially. Everything that she had doubted before came flooding back. Her boss at the time took her under her wing and helped her regain her confidence. In short, she went through a long struggle with her ex but credits him for making her a better person. She says she always sees the good in the bad and promises her viewers that if you dig deep enough into your struggle, you'll see the good and the positive in it.

She was diagnosed with "health challenges" in 2010 which put her in a really bad place. She didn't feel good about herself and lost many friends because they didn't understand what was happening. She says, "I looked like this still, but my inside felt awful." At the same time she was in this bad place, she says, "I met my Chris." She says that he's been the best thing, besides her children, that has ever happened to her. He understood her struggles, was okay with her canceling dates or reservations last minute because, "ten minutes ago I felt amazing, and then ten minutes later I didn't."

She believes that things happen for a reason and that God works in mysterious ways. She believes he places people in our lives at the right time. Her struggle that year helped her see her husband. She initially ignored his friend request, deleting it - fast forward 6 months to when she was diagnosed with her health challenges...he sent her another friend request and she said, "What the heck. We're never going to meet, it's just Facebook, right?" And they met, and they fell in love and she says, "I couldn't ask God for a better man in my life because he's so supportive. He takes care of me, he's becoming funnier…” “he's sexy, he's good looking and he does take care of our girls. He's probably the best father I could have asked for, for my children."

She says she has people in her life that just talking to them, makes her a better person. She says, "Make sure you have people in your life who encourage you and motivate you and compliment you." She says, "Find your purpose." She says the reason she loves Thrive so much is that she found a purpose and she feels amazing.

She says she felt like a failure because she never completed college she started into a bad relationship and quit college to take care of him so he could go to college, then never started back. When she did, she was diagnosed with her health challenges that limited her ability to concentrate and focus, which was really hard for her because she's not a quitter. If she fails, she picks herself back up.

And now, even though she didn't finish college, she has a purpose. It's a blessing to be able to help somebody and she no longer feels like a failure. She doesn't feel like she has to prove anything to anybody but herself, her kids and create an example of a good person for them - of a leader. That's her goal. At the end of the day, she wants to help whoever it is who wants a better life for themselves or their family. "I love helping people," she says. "I love motivating. I love encouraging. I love sharing passion with others. I love that." She defines success as being able to make a difference in someone else's life. She says that is huge for her.

She says, "I love you guys. Find your purpose in life. Find your purpose in every day. Find what it is that drives you to be a better person and cling onto it. Like, run with it." She says if anyone needs motivation, someone to boost them up, or someone to talk to, "I'm here." She says she can never have too many people to help motivate her, encourage her and to help make her a better person. She says, "You don't have to join my team...there's so much negativity in the world that we lose that positive feeling."

She wishes her listeners a wonderful day and tells them to do something today to make somebody else smile and be a better person. She tells them to teach their kids to be positive instead of, “…all this negativity we have going on. There's just too much of it. Our kids deserve better. I want my kids raised in a better world, so we need to make a better world, so make somebody happy today, find your purpose..."

She says that every day she writes down what she's grateful for. Today she was grateful for her children, of course. She's grateful for waking up feeling great and she's grateful that her job cut back her hours this week. She looked at the positive and now she has time to help other people. She has more time to spend with her kids and that's what she's grateful for.

MOO

Sorry I don't know how to clip, but I have to say, I can't watch the videos it's just too soon. But, I read most of this hearing her sweet voice, and yes, this is how Shanann talked all the time! Not saying she didn't have her bad days or months, she certainly did. But even then, the ultimate cheerleader for all her friends, near and far.
 
  • #674
Yes, it only needs the intent and that can indeed take seconds. But I think he'd made up his mind at least by time he removed his FB.
Yep, it was as if he was already “cleaning house”. No pun intended.
 
  • #675
Perfect time to get some kind of clarity.. If I would suspect my husband cheating on me I would probably take this into consideration and ask a friend of mine to spy him out :D.
lol, I thought the same thing, hire a detective! Hmmm, if only she did. :(
 
  • #676
MollyDDD said:
That made me think of something. I’ve read somewhere that SW made a few references to a friend that she thinks CW may be cheating on her. I don’t know when that was in time, but it made me think how brave she was to leave him alone for five weeks. Sort of like “when the cat’s away, the mice will play”.

Excellent point. It is hardly the mark of a woman with control issues (e.g. who needs to control her man).

You both make excellent points.
 
  • #677
That’s actually a pretty typical profile of a family annihilator:

‘Family annihilators were overwhelmingly not known to criminal justice or mental health services. For all intents and purposes these were loving husbands and good fathers, often holding down high profile jobs and seen publicly as being very, very successful. They were simply not on the radar”

from Study: family killers are usually men and fit one of four distinct profiles | WIRED UK
I read that as well and comprehend it fully. Like I said, my perception of CW doesn't fit with that of a family annihilator. You have a different perception of CW than I do and I respect our differences of perception regarding CW. Once I know more information my perception may change and if I end up being complety wrong I'm okay with that.
jmo
 
  • #678
The thing that is IMO to be fundamental about our judicial system is you are innocent until proven guilty. There can be theories on everything until we get more physical evidence. This case is unique bc we have a victim which is also a Suspect. As of now we have heard nothing about physical evidence that implicated either CW or SW to killing the girls. A juror is supposed to be impartial to what defense may offer. I am interested in all those theories bc this crime does not add up. He had moved on absolutely nothing to gain by killing her and kids. He can be portrayed as verbally abused and she has admitted the need for mood support on her Sm. She had everything to lose imo . The motive puts her subject to be the killer imo
 
  • #679
Babybutterfly, could I ask you something about having Lupus? I thought that besides stress, the other big trigger for a flareup was being out in the sun (UV exposure). In her videos of Thrive trips, SW was in her bathing suit by a pool or beach. I thought that was pretty much forbidden if you have Lupus.
Perhaps she simply used a very high SPF sun screen.
 
  • #680
Babybutterfly, could I ask you something about having Lupus? I thought that besides stress, the other big trigger for a flareup was being out in the sun (UV exposure). In her videos of Thrive trips, SW was in her bathing suit by a pool or beach. I thought that was pretty much forbidden if you have Lupus.

I didn't have issues with the sun for many years. Now I can barely step outside. But I know many are in the sun daily with no problem, again, everyone is different.
 
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