Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #30

[The Saint]

I read that he requested to speak to his dad before confessing and it said dad was already at the police station therefore he spoke to dad while at the police station ?
Would this conversation have been recorded ?
What's everyone's thoughts on this.

If CW and his dad were sitting alone in an interview room, their conversation most likely would be recorded.

 

[Marli61]

I first heard of her missing from a mutual friend on FB and started following along from day one. After I watched his interview, I said he killed them to hubby. I also don't believe for one second SW hurt her children. I'm also on the train of a family annihilator. I think he was over being a husband and father. He enjoyed his time away from them and having freedom. MOO JMO IMO

BBM
Me too Davia. In fact the mutual FB friend asked me to share their "missing post" on my page which I did. Somehow I missed the dang porch interviews before he was arrested. When I learned he worked for an oil company & learned the bodies had been found but not where, I said to Mr. Marli "oh dear lord I hope he didn't stuff those babies in an oil tank". Sigh...

 

[PommyMommy]

Yes, I believe so. It seemed like he was trying hard for the "right" words that wouldn't make him sound guilty, yet IMO some things were popping out of his mouth inadvertently that may have been uttered or in his mind during the actual murder.

Yes, and IMO, you don't have to think that hard for the right words if you're telling the truth. Many of us here knew he was lying before he confessed.

MOO

 

[rainynights]

In the beginning, with all his weird behavior.
One of the things that made my hinky-meter go off (there were so, so, so many things).
It was him saying, "I know I wasn't gonna be turning their monitor on, I know I wasn't going to be kissing them to bed tonight".
Well... My, My, My

And it's that quote that makes me believe that the girls were killed before they ever got a chance to go to sleep on August 12. He tells us his his normal routine of turning on the monitors, rain machines, etc. Looking back, it seems he was reflecting on how he felt in retrospect. Killing the girls on Sunday resulted in him not being able to turn on the monitors, the rain machines, or being able to kiss them in bed. Why would he have a reason to, if they were dead before bedtime?

Seeing BW sprawled out and blue on the monitor, IMO, was his way of adding a barrier to further detach himself from what he had done.

Based on that theory, I believe CW saw BW and CCW exactly as he mentioned, except I don't believe SW was anywhere in the picture, because I believe he did it himself. The monitor is just a story he told to distance himself from the grim reality of what he had done, IMO.

JMO.

 

[NuttMegg]

If CW and his dad were sitting alone in an interview room, their conversation most likely would be recorded.

Would it have made a difference if he already had a PD working with him?

 

[The Saint]

Good thought. It could be part of psychological distancing between him and Shanann. It could be trying to close off that part of his life that was a family man.

Wasn't there a family friend who was reported as saying that Shanann had told her CW had seemed a bit distant from her and the girls for some weeks prior to the murders, less hugging with her and less affectionate toward the children?

Nikole said it in a TV interview.

 

[Madison418]

And I’m sure this is his motive to downgrade his charges, why he says she killed the girls. He’s a monster. I don’t see why people are defending him, other than family.

Even family I would be surprised to see defending him. If this were my son or brother, even if I wanted to so badly believe him, I would not and I would not go about publicly defending him...probably not even privately defending him. But that's just me. I feel for his family, I'm sure they are still in shock and in total disbelief.

 

[Jenni]

I think he was already thinking about it while he was waiting for Shanann's plane to land.

I would say he thought about it while the 3 were gone for 5 weeks; how fun it was to live the single life with the house,affair,etc. And thoughts lead to plans which ultimately led to his crime.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I read that he requested to speak to his dad before confessing and it said dad was already at the police station therefore he spoke to dad while at the police station ?
Would this conversation have been recorded ?
What's everyone's thoughts on this.

I wonder what CW said to his Dad when he picked him up from the airport? He had the opportunity to have a heart to heart with him then but continued with the pretence that Shan'ann and girls were missing?
IMO, his Dad probably said, 'Son, I can't believe you did it! Tell me, you didn't!' and so it goes. It makes me sad just thinking about it. Whether he believes him or not, I think he died a little bit that day, how could he not?

 

[Ilovemy3boys]

Even family I would be surprised to see defending him. If this were my son or brother, even if I wanted to so badly believe him, I would not and I would not go about publicly defending him...probably not even privately defending him. But that's just me. I feel for his family, I'm sure they are still in shock and in total disbelief.

I wouldn’t be defending a murderer either, but I’m sure it’s depressing for his family as well and hard, but I also think that they could be defending him and also making Shanann out to be the evil one.

MOO JMO

 

[JudgeJudi]

If my hubby wakes up and sees the time, I'm in serious trouble.

Have a good day.

 

[Jenni]

And sadly we may never know exactly what pushed him to the final decision IMO

3 things: finances,new baby, marriage problems, possible loss of family and all connected

 

[Medstudies]

Stuff like this, really makes you take a long hard look at everyone you know, huh? They were living the dream! A dream Shanann never thought she could have, I assume CW felt the same. Then poof, gone.

B

Anadarko uses a tracking system called ROVR for their fleet of vehicles. They would know where he had been. CW was fired before he was arrested. We don't know exactly circumstances.

yep! And their vehicles are speed controlled. They cannot exceed posted speed limits nor limits that Anadarko chose for specific locations. (Hence him running red lights to get home as fast as he could.)

ROVR had real time monitoring, and knew whether a vehicle was idling, off, driving etc.

I read that Anadarko/ROVR field operators could also be equipped with a personal tracking device for safety purposes. (Think medical event/on-site accident.) - That said, I do not know if CW had ever used this safety device- and I doubt he would have done so on that particular day.

 

[Best of What's Around]

It's not 100% unique, actually, for a familicide perp to accuse one of the victims of the crime.

In a case in the UK, nearly 30 years ago, a woman, her two sons, and her parents were found dead in a farmhouse. Her brother, who lived a few miles way, said that she'd gone crazy and killed them all. LE accepted that initially and didn't do a very good job with crime scene analysis. Then they found things that suggested it was really the brother who murdered his family, and his sister was a convenient 'scapegoat' as she had a pre-existing mental illness (paranoid schizophrenia).

I think others have accused one of the victims. Some accuse outsiders, that's what MacDonald did. Most of the ones I've had a read about didn't ever confess. But CW seems to have ended up in such a hole with the evidence coming out that I think he had no choice to confess. He chose to limit his confession by only admitting to one murder and describing it as manslaughter instead of murder.

YES, CW both blamed someone else (when they went "missing") and, once police had zeroed in on the location of the bodies, he had no choice IMO but to come up with what he did or go down immediately for all of it. He knew them being on his employer's property pointed directly to him.

 

[Ilovemy3boys]

3 things: finances,new baby, marriage problems, possible loss of family and all connected

Don’t forget affair

 

[Steelhead]

Puzzling to me:
A mother happily announces her pregnancy, a new fetus, somewhat earlier than some other people would, but right on time with a lot of younger mothers these days.

After a few months the father of that fetus brutally murders the mother, curtailing all oxygen and life support for that baby, thus abruptly and cruelly ending his life same as though he reached down inside the uterus and violently slaughtered the baby. The father desecrates the body of that mother and her baby, leaving them in a shallow grave where rats, foxes, and turkey vultures can further predate upon, rip apart, and actually eat that baby and mother.

Yet, I wag my finger at the mother for announcing her pregnancy too early?

IMO

I believe CW killed them all, too. Actually, my comment could probably be considered O/T (just like what seems like 90% of the posts on the last 30 threads). I was just merely making an observation. SW seemed like a smart woman, who was very conscientious of her choices. The choice to announce her pregnancy earlier than “normal” is interesting and I was just curious. I haven’t lost any sleep, was not criticizing SW, or wagging my finger at her. But it does feel like you’re doing exactly those things to me. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[rainynights]

I spent a bit of time reading up on operators. They fall within the Fieldman category, but so too do "pumpers" and they don't need any degree at all.

These posts speaking about his job title got me thinking about his job training, since there have been many discussions on here in the past related to CW, and whether or not he tried to resuscitate the girls. There is a gap in the affidavit between the time CW claims he saw the girls on the monitors, and up to the point in which he strangled SW.

Does anyone in the oil industry know if it's likely that CW would have been required to have CPR or first aid training as an operator, as part of his job description?

I would believe that due to safety being a seemingly "high priority" in this type of role, I’d imagine CPR/first aid training would have been a necessity for any employee working around, or operating such large equipment. JMO.

 

[Jenni]

If my hubby wakes up and sees the time, I'm in serious trouble.

Have a good day.

Uh-Oh we better see a post later from you tomorrow...

 

[Madison418]

And it's that quote that makes me believe that the girls were killed before they ever got a chance to go to sleep on August 12. He tells us his his normal routine of turning on the monitors, rain machines, etc. Looking back, it seems he was reflecting on how he felt in retrospect. Killing the girls on Sunday resulted in him not being able to turn on the monitors, the rain machines, or being able to kiss them in bed. Why would he have a reason to, if they were dead before bedtime?

Seeing BW sprawled out and blue on the monitor, IMO, was his way of adding a barrier to further detach himself from what he had done.

Based on that theory, I believe CW saw BW and CCW exactly as he mentioned, except I don't believe SW was anywhere in the picture, because I believe he did it himself. The monitor is just a story he told to distance himself from the grim reality of what he had done, IMO.

JMO.

I tend to agree with you here. As has been said many times before, there's often truth woven into the lies, so he may have been reflecting on what he had done and seen. I want to know what the timeline of events was and I hope a solid determination based on autopsies and possibly phone/internet data can be made.

 

[Best of What's Around]

These posts speaking about his job title got me thinking about his job training, since there have been many discussions on here in the past related to CW, and whether or not he tried to resuscitate the girls. There is a gap in the affidavit between the time CW claims he saw the girls on the monitors, and up to the point in which he strangled SW.

Does anyone in the oil industry know if it's likely that CW would have been required to have CPR or first aid training as an operator, as part of his job description?

I would believe that due to safety being a seemingly "high priority" in this type of role, I’d imagine CPR/first aid training would have been a necessity for any employee working around, or operating such large equipment. JMO.

It's possible. But I do not find it persuasive to his story as even with training at one time on no actual victim, he could not be reasonably expected to do what medics could if he had simply dialed 911. IMO.
EDITED TO ADD: but I agree he will say he tried in his defense should he stick with his confession.