Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #31

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Weld DA Michael Rourke says he has not received autopsy reports in Christopher Watts case

“The Weld County Coroner’s Office has, however, received approximately 20 requests for the autopsy reports of the victims in this case,” the response states. “The Weld County Coroner’s Office began receiving requests on August 17, 2018 and the requests have continued through September 21, 2018.

“In addition to the written requests, there are numerous media outlets and their producers who continually telephone the Weld County Coroner’s Office, on a daily basis, requesting the autopsy reports and updates. Additionally, there have been a number of private individual requests (citizen requests) for the autopsy reports, by persons who do not appear to have any connection to this case.”
DA Rourke seems like a no-nonsense guy who will give this case his ALL, kind of like Juan Martinez in the JA trial. I really like him and I believe he will get justice for SW, baby Nico and the toddlers. If CW ever takes the stand I think DA MR will grill him hard!;)
 
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DA Rourke seems like a no-nonsense guy who will give this case his ALL, kind of like Juan Martinez in the JA trial. I really like him and I believe he will get justice for SW, baby Nico and the toddlers. If CW ever takes the stand I think DA MR will grill him hard!;)
I have the same impression you do. I want to find time to read that case (Sandoval) where he won a conviction without one piece of physical evidence, although I think there's going to be plenty of physical evidence in this case.
MOO
 
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What Time Is It???? AB Time!

New reports about the state of the home! How did the girls die? Someone has the answers! No one is sharing! Why the dark details, are staying secret, for now!

Exclusive new details from people in CO, her family, Source says SW's fam is in CO at the SOC.

Back to 'take care of things', Went to a recreational center? Hmm. Why is family there? Steve Moore: may want background on CW, a debrief w/ family, with investigators and the Prosecuters.

AB: Pros. has been in regular contact w family, offering them hope saying they will get CW. SM says there is reason to believe they will get justice but it's painful.

AB: Lauren Arnold, SW mom, bro and LAs mom at rec center, maybe CW worked out there. SM: They are trying to find out what was in SW and CWs minds.

AB: Pat! Pros had a deadline of autopsies, but pros doesn't have them. The only people who know are the MEs. Pros says we don't have everything, we will give it to you we need more time, pros is blaming ME, maybe it's a game, coroner was sued in 2002, worked where they performed Dylan Kliebold autopsy

AB: Why has this not been delivered? Joe Morgan: DA asked it not be released sometimes the police sometimes pathologists don't agree, they might be arguing about scientific details, MEs are consultants in this case, another layer.

AB: JBR autopsy withheld 8mos. Why so long? Donna Kauffman: Because of indecency/ genital stuff was missing. everyone argued about COD. So maybe they don't know what killed SW first out of a few methods or are disagreements

AB: Steve, do they already know how they died? Steve: Yeah the police know within minutes of ME knowing, But sometimes they stall for reasons. (AB is being very flat today! Maybe she's tired). Was CW monitoring the doorbell? Wait till you hear what else is monitored! NEXT!

AB: Blla bla blabitty bla, neighbor's security cameras, maybe there were a few thing recorded in silence, from the family home security systems. Mark tech expert on, AB showing santa video. You can see security sys in santa video.

Mark, she opened the door from the HOUSE? To the garage. Is that recorded? Every time a door is opened and at what time and for how long. Hoo boy.

AB: If CW is true, then that door from the home to garage would have had to have been open for awhile or at least several times in a row if it were true, and it is all logged.

Maybe the data hasn't been shared, how long do the files stick around, usually 15 days but u can pay for cloud, but maybe the company has data of open doors but not stored video.

Smart lock on front door can have separate codes for different people. NAU probably had a code, This will send notification to CW, CW gets a key to send thru phone to let u in. He didn't do that. (How long was NAU at the house before she called CW and he said he was 5 min away? Maybe he was notified from they key pad well before that's why he was only 5mn away...or did she call him right away? MOIdunno)

There is a one touch emergency button on their security that CW did not use. CW might be missing charges! Will the charge of perjury be added to his case? NEXT!

Ab: Could CW wind up facing more charges? He lied to police, if he's lying about SW who knows what other chRGES will be added? Will hurt him...clips of CA lying...Oh Casey.

AB: CA skated, the way she lies with abandon, she likes the game, CW probably won't stop, costs a lot when people lie, CA had to pay 217,000 for investigation.
CO has a false reporting to authorities law...(OMG this is so boring you guys!!!!)

Yes lies will affect his case, if he's not convicted he will have to pay for investigation...CW case might be over a million...FB questions NEXT!

What is so different about this case? Ambrosio says lack of info doesn't surprise him, only been 6 weeks not enough time to sound alarms, donna is this asotunding it's so hard? Donna: what if girls were still alive when they went into vats? (Uhhh didn't the cadaver dogs hit on all three? Donna you cra-zay).

Pics of prison/Bill Cosby America's Creep. That might be it! BBM
 
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idfinch said:
"Additionally, there have been a number of private individual requests (citizen requests) for the autopsy reports, by persons who do not appear to have any connection to this case."

There must be a reason for these citizen requests because the average sleuther or citizen stalking them feels extremely creepy IMO. Would this be any kind of experts or ? I'm looking for a better reason.

Maybe SW or CW family o_O

Potentially news media reporters and authors.
 
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I have the same impression you do. I want to find time to read that case (Sandoval) where he won a conviction without one piece of physical evidence, although I think there's going to be plenty of physical evidence in this case.
MOO
Yep, lots of physical evidence and I have no doubt thatCW will never see freedom again. I hope this case will be the crown jewel in DA Rourke's career.
 
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If SW strangled Bella, then was in the middle of brutally strangling CeCE, then I would have killed her myself if it needed to be done to try and save CeCe. But I would have started CPR and called 911, instead of dumping the bodies.

I think the accusations of child abuse,the supposed lack of emotional connection to her children, alleged cruelty in forcing a crying child onto Santa's lap, lack of nurturing etc etc---it is being said as a way to imply that she was more likely to kill the children than CW was. JMO

It’s been more than implied, it’s been said that it will become obvious as the trial gets closer. My questions on what that meant were ignored.
 
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Does anyone think that people might think twice about putting so much of their lives on SM for the world to see after reading about this case?
Absolutely, and forget that FB Legacy setting.
 
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I would imagine for every person who didn't like Shanann Watts there are at least dozens that adored her. I doubt very seriously the same could be said for her murderer.
Actually every thing up to this horrendous night has been wonderful .
 
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So is there anyone who presumed him innocent ?
 
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I don't know if we know the answer of how CW knew specific times from camera footage. IMO LE wouldn't have shared that information with him so soon, especially if the discovery of that information was paired with a growing suspicion that he may be attempting to deceive those around him. They would have wanted to guard that info closely while continuing to observe his behavior.

If CW was to find out about specific times of camera footage, I'm thinking it would have been from his caring and concerned neighbors. At that point, they would have still been led to believe (by CW) that he did not know where they were, and in an attempt to help him, I wouldn't be surprised if they willingly shared any video footage they had.

JMO.


That's what I think and pieced together from the earliest part of the timeline. I am just speculating, but I think that NUA might have gone next door and asked if anyone had seen SW and the girls that day. It would be a normal thing to do, since the car was still there, in the garage. It would make sense they might be at a neighbors.

If she went to the neighbors and said that they were missing, had they seen them walking by, or being picked up by anyone, I'd imagine the neighbor might look at his/her camera footage.

By the time the police arrived, NUA and the neighbor would have some specific information for them about the departure times, etc. And I think that is one main reason that the police jumped on this case so quickly. If they saw that SW arrived home at 2 am---but never saw her leave since then---big red Flag...
 
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Same here -- IMO the defense will have probably 15+ willing to get up there and say how he never missed Sunday School, was always helping the teacher, did good deeds everyday, was always a gentleman, opened the doors for his teachers, shared his lunch at school, blah de blah de blah. Further, I'm not sure how many the judge will permit -- we have 4 dead people here, and only one person in that courtroom has a motive...

but wouldn't that not be the mitigation stage, not the case in Chief?
 
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It was never stated she deserved to be murdered<modsnip - removed response to quoted post>. It was just suggested that her abusive or innapropriate behavior led to the murder. Jmo
 
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So is there anyone who presumed him innocent ?
In a court of law, there is a “presumption of innocence.”

Not so, in the “court of public opinion.”

Not with all the assumptions that have to be made, in order to believe that he is innocent.

The facts speak for themselves. And they do not speak kindly of CW.
 
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It’s been more than implied, it’s been said that it will become obvious as the trial gets closer. My questions on what that meant were ignored.
I'm not in the legal field myself but I suppose the defense will try their best to cast aspersions on a murdered pregnant mother who is no longer alive to defend herself, if it means getting CW off the hook. I do not believe CW will ever be released once the DA Michael Rourke launches his strategy with the FACTS. MOO.
 
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I think he remembered the camera... backing his truck into the drive.
Maybe he couldn't believe somebody cared that much about her... when he didn't.
OR, was he only concerned with his front door camera.
 
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So is there anyone who presumed him innocent ?

I usually always presume the spouse innocent, in a missing person case, as I wait to see what the circumstances are. But in this case, the circumstances screamed GUILTY.

We knew she was dropped off at home at 2 am, he backed his truck into the garage at 5:30 am, then left. And there is no video evidence of SW and the girls leaving since then. <<<<BIG RED FLAGS right there.

It is very hard to presume innocence with those facts coming out in the early hours of the case.
 
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Now that you mention it, I do recall seeing the post on SW's FB page showing a screenshot of an iMessage conversation between SW and CW. The conversation includes a photo of her ultrasound, but at the top, CW's text reads "no 5 babies?"

We an only wonder if CW believed there could be multiples for good reason, or if he was just joking around at the possibility.

ETA: JMO.
IMO, CW was responding to a previous video where Bella entire ed 5 babies being in there (SW tummy).
I’m a few hours behind and also took a few week break from posting, but that’s what I got.
 
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