Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #31

[dgfred]

FWIW, I've always suspected that this was his original plan. I'm also not convinced he knew about the neighbor's camera 100%. My neighbors may have cameras, I have no clue. Unless I missed something in one of the threads that proves he knew about it.

Interesting tho that he mentioned that there were NO cameras in the back... so I think he may have been looking.

 

[Mrspratcher]

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...t's Motion (D-038) and Court's Order C-14.pdf

The State is not in receipt of the autopsy results. The original filing was in an abundance of caution due to the many media and private citizen requests for the results.

 

[molly1255]

I'm still stuck on the why this happened. Although there is no excuse on earth that would justify homicide.
I think she handled the finances , bill paying etc. and I think he was content to go along. I don't think debt bothered him at all .
I think when he decided he wanted out then he started thinking of the money situation. Maybe he had no money to get a place. They were in debt and he would be responsible for at least half of it plus child support. Maybe because wanted to sell the house and she was against it because that's the first thing he wanted to do after she supposedly went missing

It would certainly seem that SW would have been the one to handle the finances because she appeared to be the more dominant personality. With that said, CW was never the docile and passive guy he pretended to be. His actions tell us that was all just a big, phony act. JMO.

I think he handled the finances because he wanted control of the money, and I do think this was
always all about the money for CW. He also needed to hide his cheating. Affairs cost money. If SW had handled the finances, she would have noticed money missing. JMO.

When CW began his pursuit of SW, she had a beautiful, expensive home and was part-owner in a business. I think he played to SW's vulnerabilities (her lupus) and convinced her that he loved her for her. Not long after their marriage, CW found a job in Colorado. I've never seen where this move was explained. Did CW get the Colorado job to force SW into "cashing out" her equity in her house, or to remove her from her family so they wouldn't start asking questions about his motives, or both. IMO, both, because he wanted control.

Per SW's realtor, SW put her house up for sale to be with her husband. In SW's deck video, she talks of the house she built at 25 and her plan was to gain equity.
It appears the move to Colorado ruined that plan as she sold the house years before she could gain any real equity and she had to accept less than her asking price. And then they ended up having to file for bankruptcy in 2015.

When CW married SW, he thought he was marrying a woman who could not have children. JMO, if he really had wanted children, he would have married a woman who didn't have a health problem that could impact her ability to carry a child. How badly did CW want children? He didn't. JMO.

JMO, for a self-centered, evil guy, none of what ended up happening in his marriage to SW was what HE had "signed up" for. There was no money, and there were kids. I think he thought he'd found himself a better deal in the AP or that there was a better deal out there for him if only he could be free of his wife and children.

All JMO.

 

[kebdal23]

Interesting tho that he mentioned that there were NO cameras in the back... so I think he may have been looking.

If I remember right, there was nothing behind their house though. So if there were any cameras, they would have been owned by him so of course he could speak to that. Correct me if I'm wrong on there being no neighbors behind them.

 

[Jennifer17]

Say that CW were to testify (highly doubtful IMO). The defense would try and paint him as this great guy, and suggest that a crime like this would be out of character for him.

They would call friends and family to hammer this point home.

If I were on the jury, I would pay no heed to what his family and friends thought of him. I would expect them to say nice things about him.

 

[dgfred]

Well, it was an area under developement. So there were roads and what not... and no cameras per him.

 

[MerryB]

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/(S) People's Response to Defendant's Motion (D-038) and Court's Order C-14.pdf

The State is not in receipt of the autopsy results. The original filing was in an abundance of caution due to the many media and private citizen requests for the results.

I thought they were required to turn it over to the defense by today as part of the discovery process? Is that not right?

 

[MassGuy]

If I remember right, there was nothing behind their house though. So if there were any cameras, they would have been owned by him so of course he could speak to that. Correct me if I'm wrong on there being no neighbors behind them.

Here ya go.

 

[FlossyMay]

That’s my fear. That someone who perhaps doesn’t like the victim, will try to sway the jurors at trial.

Character witnesses certainly have their purpose, but they shouldn’t move the needle.

I would imagine for every person who didn't like Shanann Watts there are at least dozens that adored her. I doubt very seriously the same could be said for her murderer.

 

[MassGuy]

I would imagine for every person who didn't like Shanann Watts there are at least dozens that adored her. I doubt very seriously the same could be said for her murderer.

Great point, and I’m sure you are correct.

 

[MassGuy]

I thought they were required to turn it over to the defense by today as part of the discovery process? Is that not right?

The defense was apparently under the impression that the prosecution was in possession of the report. They are not.

 

[whisperOFwings]

I thought they were required to turn it over to the defense by today as part of the discovery process? Is that not right?

They don't have it to give.
1. As of this date, the People have not received the autopsy reports at issue. The People contacted the Weld County Coroner’s Office (herein referred to as WCCO), and the WCCO has not received the final reports from the forensic pathologist.

5. The People are well aware of their Rule 16 obligations and have every intention of providing Counsel for Defendant the reports, upon receipt, via the discovery process.

Edit: Shoot, forgot the link...
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/(S) People's Response to Defendant's Motion (D-038) and Court's Order C-14.pdf

 

[pocketaccent]

Say that CW were to testify (highly doubtful IMO). The defense would try and paint him as this great guy, and suggest that a crime like this would be out of character for him.

They would call friends and family to hammer this point home.

I think the defense will go heavy on character witnesses for CW. And no doubt he will have plenty. <modsnip - discussing other posters> That's the only thing that can help negate the horrific crime he committed.

 

[dgfred]

Character witnesses at a murder trial are silly to me... I can hear it now- He wouldn't hurt a fly and so on.

 

[dgfred]

Don't bash me... but I don't like victim statements either. I think in a way, it gives some satisfaction to a killer knowing they ruined some more lives in addition to the one(s) they killed.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

The defense was apparently under the impression that the prosecution was in possession of the report. They are not.

Yes, they said they were still waiting upon the information from a forensic pathologist.

That maybe somebody that they actually out sourced which would be great at trial because they could say possibly that there is no way that fingerprints could be on the neck because fingerprints are lipids, and oil and lipids would be dissolved. Or something such as that. I'm glad they have brought in a forensic pathologist to assist the medical examiner before she gives her opinion. It will nail it down. And it may also nail down the red herring that the defense put forth as to that there would be finger prints on the children's neck from her, when everybody knew in that field that there could not be fingerprints if it was an oil?

I think it was a great strategy by the prosecution to do such, well I mean, the medical examiner. Is I'm not sure that every city has a forensic pathologist on its staff. So it might be an outsourced expert.

ETA- I had to giggle at the post above when I was proofreading, because I have no idea if the medical examiner is a woman, but I referred her as a woman. Perhaps I was thinking of the medical examiner we have here in the threads but I haven't seen in a long time, and I can't remember her name.



ETA- I just remembered her name, Joypath iirc, I wonder if we should invite her to this thread?

 

[idfinch]

"Additionally, there have been a number of private individual requests (citizen requests) for the autopsy reports, by persons who do not appear to have any connection to this case."

There must be a reason for these citizen requests because the average sleuther or citizen stalking them feels extremely creepy IMO. Would this be any kind of experts or ? I'm looking for a better reason.

 

[pocketaccent]

Don't bash me... but I don't like victim statements either. I think in a way, it gives some satisfaction to a killer knowing they ruined some more lives in addition to the one(s) they killed.

That's when I get most emotional though. I always have to have a box of kleenex with me when they begin.

 

[MassGuy]

"Additionally, there have been a number of private individual requests (citizen requests) for the autopsy reports, by persons who do not appear to have any connection to this case."

There must be a reason for these citizen requests because the average sleuther or citizen stalking them feels extremely creepy IMO. Would this be any kind of experts or ? I'm looking for a better reason.

The media is very interested in this case. I’m sure the majority of the requests are from them.

 

[Davia18]

"Additionally, there have been a number of private individual requests (citizen requests) for the autopsy reports, by persons who do not appear to have any connection to this case."

There must be a reason for these citizen requests because the average sleuther or citizen stalking them feels extremely creepy IMO. Would this be any kind of experts or ? I'm looking for a better reason.

Maybe SW or CW family