Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #33

[PommyMommy]

Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #19
Yes I am aware of the one affair and was from the beginning. She also knew he wanted a separation before her trip. She continued to post about how...
Post by: Trinket78, Sep 10, 2018 in forum: Located Persons Discussion this is the post

Welcome to Websleuths, @Elizabeth Lavenza !
Glad to have you with us.​

 

[Allabouttrial]

Those charges, we have to remember, were brought right after the locations were found. So I can completely seeing them perhaps adding such charges on now that the bodies have been completely analyzed, as well as the oil tanks themselves. I think based on his own confession, they know he for a fact tampered with the bodies because he admitted to relocating them and disposing of them. This bit about the tanks and the 8 inch openings, if in fact true, can certainly be a basis for such a charge, if CO does have one with that wording (I can def research this; I'm in CA so I am only familiar with our criminal laws).

ETA: Completely see***

It's just that a lot have stated that if the LE thought that SW had killed the girls then the charges would have been amended by now, so would that be any different for the "tampering with a human body" charge?

 

[Johnny1181]

BBM I am not saying anything here.
I simply posted the amendment made by Trinket78 on Sept 12th regarding the original post of Sept 10th.

So I think? What I am gathering from this is a witness that can show CW was a lying cheater. jmo

 

[bonjoviblonde]

Just a minute though. The affidavit said he's charged with "tampering with a deceased human body". If he did do as people are saying i.e. forcing the kids in the oil tank then would the charge not be "mutilation of a corpse"?

I believe I read that Colorado Law states tampering as destroys, mutilates or alters. Lawyers would know better.

 

[Deleted member 230544]

Just a minute though. The affidavit said he's charged with "tampering with a deceased human body". If he did do as people are saying i.e. forcing the kids in the oil tank then would the charge not be "mutilation of a corpse"?

Great point @Allabouttrial
There appears to be a distinction between the two definitions:


Mutilation of corpse is a wrong of willfully, recklessly, wantonly, unlawfully, or negligently dismembering or disfiguring by cutting, scratching, or mishandling the body of a dead person. It is an offense of dissecting or dismembering, without authority, the dead body of a person.


A person commits tampering with a deceased human body if, believing that an official proceeding is pending, in progress, or about to be instituted and acting without legal right or authority, the person willfully destroys, mutilates, conceals, removes, or alters a human body, part of a human body, or human remains with intent to impair its or their appearance or availability in the official proceedings.”

 

[Alethea]

Just a minute though. The affidavit said he's charged with "tampering with a deceased human body". If he did do as people are saying i.e. forcing the kids in the oil tank then would the charge not be "mutilation of a corpse"?

You would have to look at the exact statutes, but in many states mutilation is defined as dismembering. The state can always add charges after the autopsy is complete though!

 

[rainynights]

OH.MY.GOD.
He had to have drained them.
Please tell me he drained them.
He was there much longer than I thought.
He may have still been there when NUA showed up at the house.
???
MOO

I had the SAME reaction, when I saw AB holding up that tiny hole cut-out.

And you bring up a good point. We don't exactly know where CW's whereabouts were from the time in which he backed up from the house, to the time he returned to meet NUA and LE. For all we know, he could have been tying up loose ends at the oil tanks, with it taking much longer than he previously anticipated.

I'm hoping video cameras were recording at the oil tank location. JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

It's just that a lot have stated that if the LE thought that SW had killed the girls then the charges would have been amended by now, so would that be any different for the "tampering with a human body" charge?

“Tampering...” is a felony in Colorado. They charged him with the most severe crime they could.

 

[Tigerlily75]

Just a minute though. The affidavit said he's charged with "tampering with a deceased human body". If he did do as people are saying i.e. forcing the kids in the oil tank then would the charge not be "mutilation of a corpse"?

I believe it’s inclusive:

Tampering with a deceased human body

(1) A person commits tampering with a deceased human body if, believing that an official proceeding is pending, in progress, or about to be instituted and acting without legal right or authority, the person willfully destroys, mutilates, conceals, removes, or alters a human body, part of a human body, or human remains with intent to impair its or their appearance or availability in the official proceedings.

(2) Tampering with a deceased human body is a class 3 felony.

I’d read the above in relation to his charges, but can’t remember where. I found the above here: 2016 Colorado Revised Statutes :: Title 18 - :: Criminal Code :: Article 8 - :: Offenses - Governmental Operations :: Part 6 - :: Offenses Relating to Judicial and Other Proceedings :: § 18-8-610.5. Tampering with a deceased human body

And the wording matches my memory of his charges

 

[k-mac]

This is exactly the point I made earlier. Witnesses can offer some color and clarity, but without knowing the specific nature of their relationship, it is impossible to determine the veracity of their statements.

The one I posted, and the correction, are completely contradictory.

its the tone of the content being provided is all we have to work with.
and in this case its not pro shanann interestingly.

 

[roteone]

I had the SAME reaction, when I saw AB holding up that tiny hole cut-out.

And you bring up a good point. We don't exactly know where CW's whereabouts were from the time in which he backed up from the house, to the time he returned to meet NUA and LE. For all we know, he could have been tying up loose ends at the oil tanks, with it taking much longer than he previously anticipated.

I'm hoping video cameras were recording at the oil tank location. JMO.

Good points alright.

 

[Johnny1181]

Great point @Allabouttrial
There appears to be a distinction between the two definitions:


Mutilation of corpse is a wrong of willfully, recklessly, wantonly, unlawfully, or negligently dismembering or disfiguring by cutting, scratching, or mishandling the body of a dead person. It is an offense of dissecting or dismembering, without authority, the dead body of a person.


A person commits tampering with a deceased human body if, believing that an official proceeding is pending, in progress, or about to be instituted and acting without legal right or authority, the person willfully destroys, mutilates, conceals, removes, or alters a human body, part of a human body, or human remains with intent to impair its or their appearance or availability in the official proceedings.”

So he is charged with /
tampering with a deceased human body if, believing that an official proceeding is pending, in progress, or about to be instituted and acting without legal right or authority, the person willfully destroys, mutilates, conceals, removes, or alters a human body, part of a human body, or human remains with intent to impair its or their appearance or availability in the official proceedings.

Rather than:

Mutilation of corpse is a wrong of willfully, recklessly, wantonly, unlawfully, or negligently dismembering or disfiguring by cutting, scratching, or mishandling the body of a dead person. It is an offense of dissecting or dismembering, without authority, the dead body of a person.

Kudos to him.

Disgusting. IMO

 

[MassGuy]

its the tone of the content being provided is all we have to work with.
and in this case its not pro shanann interestingly.

We’ve only had one VI who wasn’t clearly on Shannan’s side.

 

[Jennifer17]

Great point @Allabouttrial
There appears to be a distinction between the two definitions:


Mutilation of corpse is a wrong of willfully, recklessly, wantonly, unlawfully, or negligently dismembering or disfiguring by cutting, scratching, or mishandling the body of a dead person. It is an offense of dissecting or dismembering, without authority, the dead body of a person.


A person commits tampering with a deceased human body if, believing that an official proceeding is pending, in progress, or about to be instituted and acting without legal right or authority, the person willfully destroys, mutilates, conceals, removes, or alters a human body, part of a human body, or human remains with intent to impair its or their appearance or availability in the official proceedings.”

Both of those definitions mean the same thing. They contain the same acts. The only distinction is if the tampering is done to conceal a crime.
They have the right charge which is no better than the other charge.

 

[Layla123]

I get what you're saying, your explanation made perfect sense. My only comment was that when LE drained the tanks to recover the bodies, Anadarko knew what was going on and likely gave them the equipment and helped them do it. I didn't think CW would be able to drain tanks in secret without anyone knowing. If both tanks were full, he couldn't drain one into each other so he'd need a truck.

AB didn’t know the exact numbers. Their source told them the tanks were “nearly full”. A full tank is 600-700 barrels of oil. They estimated nearly full was 500 barrels, but they didn’t know for sure. I questioned if they knew for sure that the tanks held equal amounts of oil, but they didn’t say. But anyway, it would have taken too long for C.W. to be able to do all that emptying and bolt removal and replacement, plus dig a grave and bury Shanann, and make it to work on time. He had to have used the top openings.

 

[MsBetsy]

I am not sure what you are saying here. She stated that she knew about it from the beginning and two days later she corrected it to when everyone else knew.
She doesn't say when everyone else knew though. Does she mean after LE discovered it?
Why say the beginning then?

I think we can assume SW knew sometime before he deleted his FB account. Two weeks? Three maybe? She apparently kept posting before he deleted it. So it must have been while she was in NC? Before he came and spent the last week with them? I'm not sure of the time frame.

 

[cailleach]

Those charges, we have to remember, were brought right after the locations were found. So I can completely seeing them perhaps adding such charges on now that the bodies have been completely analyzed, as well as the oil tanks themselves. I think based on his own confession, they know he for a fact tampered with the bodies because he admitted to relocating them and disposing of them. This bit about the tanks and the 8 inch openings, if in fact true, can certainly be a basis for such a charge, if CO does have one with that wording (I can def research this; I'm in CA so I am only familiar with our criminal laws).

ETA: Completely see***

Here, I'll save you a minute. In CO what he did is covered under the statute addressing tampering:
§ 18-8-610.5. Tampering with a deceased human body
Universal Citation: CO Rev Stat § 18-8-610.5 (2016)
(1) A person commits tampering with a deceased human body if, believing that an official proceeding is pending, in progress, or about to be instituted and acting without legal right or authority, the person willfully destroys, mutilates, conceals, removes, or alters a human body, part of a human body, or human remains with intent to impair its or their appearance or availability in the official proceedings.

(2) Tampering with a deceased human body is a class 3 felony.

 

[pocketaccent]

Those charges, we have to remember, were brought right after the locations were found. So I can completely seeing them perhaps adding such charges on now that the bodies have been completely analyzed, as well as the oil tanks themselves. I think based on his own confession, they know he for a fact tampered with the bodies because he admitted to relocating them and disposing of them. This bit about the tanks and the 8 inch openings, if in fact true, can certainly be a basis for such a charge, if CO does have one with that wording (I can def research this; I'm in CA so I am only familiar with our criminal laws).

ETA: Completely see***

Count 7,8,9 Tampering with a deceased human body:

"On or about August 13, 2018, Christopher Lee Watts, believing that an official proceeding was pending, in progress, or about to be instituted, and acting without legal right or authority, unlawfully and feloniously willfully destroyed, mutilated, concealed, removed, or altered a human body, part of a human body, or human remains with intent to impair its or their appearance or availability in the official proceedings; in violation of section 18-8-610.5, C.R.S."
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user.../2018CR2003/001/COMPLAINT AND INFORMATION.pdf

 

[Layla123]

Thank you for confirming what I thought I understood. IMO, that's the act of not only premeditation (he knew he'd have to break their bodies to get them through that opening which would take time - he couldn't just drop them through the opening) but savagery not within the realm of a loving parent. How would one even contemplate doing something so hideous and horric to innocent little girls?

The expert thought it was premeditated, too.

 

[Serena Angelique]

IIRC, the family returned from NC on August 7. Is that right?

From her FB post the next morning:

-Went to bed at 2am, up at 5:15am
-2 loads of laundry
-dusted whole house
-cleaned out fridge and pantry and restocked
-2 grocery stores with kids

-Celeste Doctor appointment

‍
-emptied 7 suitcases/3 backpacks and put away
-fed kids a million times
-we all showered (we know this is a win)
-went through 6 weeks of mail

-washed kitchen floor
-cleaned up kids disaster
-repacked my suitcase for Arizona this Friday

They literally said, “we’re going to bed!” And put themselves to bed! Rain machines on and all. They are obviously exhausted from traveling and playing. I’m over here knocking everything out and it’s only noon! The old me would live out of a suit case for 1-2 weeks till it was empty again.
Shanann Watts

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I'm wondering if he did any housework at all while she was gone. MOO

I am not a person who would normally be encouraged to buy into the Thrive Experience but this post almost convinced me I need it! That stuff must be like 6 pots of coffee a day without crashing!