Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #33

[MsBetsy]

I have a 4 year old niece. I’ll figure out a way to check the viability of this tomorrow.

Good luck.

 

[FlossyMay]

Okay. I abandoned the idea that I could catch up with this thread. You guys must be speed typing or something.

I'm not taking these videos all that seriously for many reasons, but mostly I just don't see anything in them that would point to either one of them killing their kids. I just don't see it.

What I do see is a man who claims that instead of grabbing his kids and running out into the street wailing in anguish and begging for help, became angry and basically ignored them while he strangled his pregnant wife to death. That part alone is pretty hard to believe, but it gets even more ridiculous as he wraps their dead bodies, loads them into his truck and drives 40 miles to hastily bury his wife and unborn child and squish his two innocent babies into oil tanks.

I have never heard of an innocent person doing something like this. My brain will not accept that it happened that way. You don't drive 40 miles with 3 dead bodies and never think "WTH am I doing? I better pull over and call the police and let them collect evidence to prove what I'm saying is true." He had a long time to think about what he was doing during that drive. He didn't show up later that day with red-rimmed eyes, or dark circles or any other evidence of grief. The very next day he laughed as he said "I just want those kids back so bad."

I have tried to see things from other people's points of view all day today, but I just can't accept his crazy story. I believe he killed them all, hid their dead bodies and destroyed evidence on purpose. He did a horrible thing. It's not Shanann's fault, his family's fault or the AP's fault. He made that choice all on his own.

Those little girls loved him. It breaks my heart. I hope that he will realize what he's doing to all of their loved ones and just admit that he's guilty so this can end and both families can start to heal.

 

[gitana1]

And the next day he was clean, well rested, and wearing his spiffy shirt. No grief, no guilt, no regrets, just smiling, duping, and preening. The actions of a guilty, evil person, not someone who panicked.

And not the actions of someone rocked by grief. Or dealing with disassociative fugue or whatever. Nope.

 

[MassGuy]

Lol. She might not be agreeable to that.

That’s what candy is for.

 

[Johnny1181]

Yes, from one video I watched she said something along the lines of enjoying a few hours break the next day while the kids were at “school” which I’d take as meaning daycare/preschool of some description. I believe the name of it was Primrose something, and that’s where Bella was going .. I’m just going by memory here though

there are videos also where Shanann also shows her gratitude for being able to stay at home with her babies rather than work 2 jobs to support their lifestyle which seem to include the expenses of CW's affair (affairs?). I hope the income she was earning to afford the vacations CW seemed to enjoy per SM also afforded enrichment opportunities for her daughters.imo

 

[Jennifer17]

I think that he would have more trouble getting their little bottoms through the hole. Babies heads are disproportionately large for their bodies, but by toddler age, they have grown into their heads and they have sturdy little bottoms and thighs. I don't want to think how he managed that.

 

[roteone]

That’s what candy is for.

Oh my haha

 

[pocketaccent]

I have a 4 year old niece. I’ll figure out a way to check the viability of this tomorrow.

8 inch diameter paper tube.
Lift both arms up high.

Make sure you give her big hugs for your experiment.

 

[rainynights]

Okay. I abandoned the idea that I could catch up with this thread. You guys must be speed typing or something.

I'm not taking these videos all that seriously for many reasons, but mostly I just don't see anything in them that would point to either one of them killing their kids. I just don't see it.

What I do see is a man who claims that instead of grabbing his kids and running out into the street wailing in anguish and begging for help, became angry and basically ignored them while he strangled his pregnant wife to death. That part alone is pretty hard to believe, but it gets even more ridiculous as he wraps their dead bodies, loads them into his truck and drives 40 miles to hastily bury his wife and unborn child and squish his two innocent babies into oil tanks.

I have never heard of an innocent person doing something like this. My brain will not accept that it happened that way. You don't drive 40 miles with 3 dead bodies and never think "WTH am I doing? I better pull over and call the police and let them collect evidence to prove what I'm saying is true." He had a long time to think about what he was doing during that drive. He didn't show up later that day with red-rimmed eyes, or dark circles or any other evidence of grief. The very next day he laughed as he said "I just want those kids back so bad."

I have tried to see things from other people's points of view all day today, but I just can't accept his crazy story. I believe he killed them all, hid their dead bodies and destroyed evidence on purpose. He did a horrible thing. It's not Shanann's fault, his family's fault or the AP's fault. He made that choice all on his own.

Those little girls loved him. It breaks my heart. I hope that he will realize what he's doing to all of their loved ones and just admit that he's guilty so this can end and both families can start to heal.

Well said! I couldn't agree more, and we can only hope.

 

[MsBetsy]

That’s what candy is for.

Try to measure her head too... She may actually enjoy the attention. My daughter would have, but she's 14 now.

 

[Hazelnutty]

Thank you for this thoughtful post. Yes!! Shine like Shanann. (tears..) Shanann, Bella, CeCe, and Nico, they are the brightest stars in the sky, always and forever.

Shine like Shannan
Twinkle like Bella&Cece& Nico

 

[MsBetsy]

8 inch diameter paper tube.
Lift both arms up high.

Make sure to give her big hugs for your experiment.

If the circumference is 8 inches, no way would the head fit through...

 

[Jennifer17]

Try to measure her head too... She may actually enjoy the attention. My daughter would have, but she's 14 now.

I can tell you that. I write knitting patterns. 16 to 18 inches circumference. That is just average.
That is for a four year old. Average only.

 

[Johnny1181]

A mama's love.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

If the circumference is 8 inches, no way would the head fit through...

I thought it was 8 inches in diameter.

 

[human]

Posters on here do not think he is a good liar.

Me, I am astounded that a man so depraved was able to carry on a persona where people thought he was loving and a great guy ( as stated by Lindstrom re the great guy and many about how loving he was)

How did he manage that con job for years? He did not turn depraved over night.

 

[cailleach]

If the head got through, the shoulders could in one higher, one lower as most babies are usually born.
Toddlers bones are soft and pliable. Not as much as babies but soft enough, I would think.

It remains unknown as to whether rigor mortis had already started to set in before he did this.

 

[MsBetsy]

I think that he would have more trouble getting their little bottoms through the hole. Babies heads are disproportionately large for their bodies, but by toddler age, they have grown into their heads and they have sturdy little bottoms and thighs. I don't want to think how he managed that.

I think the head would be 16 - 18 inches around, give or take a couple inches.

 

[cailleach]

Posters on here do not think he is a good liar.

Me, I am astounded that a man so depraved was able to carry on a persona where people thought he was loving and a great guy ( as stated by Lindstrom re the great guy and many about how loving he was)

How did he manage that con job for years? He did not turn depraved over night.

Sociopaths live among us. MOO

 

[pocketaccent]

Shine like Shannan
Twinkle like Bella&Cece& Nico

Wow, that's so lovely, Hazel.

 

[Johnny1181]

A mama's love.

Edited to say: Not sure why gitan1's post isn't showing up in this response to her post. But this was in response to the beautiful pictures she posted.

 

[BelleIsle]

Okay. I abandoned the idea that I could catch up with this thread. You guys must be speed typing or something.

I'm not taking these videos all that seriously for many reasons, but mostly I just don't see anything in them that would point to either one of them killing their kids. I just don't see it.

What I do see is a man who claims that instead of grabbing his kids and running out into the street wailing in anguish and begging for help, became angry and basically ignored them while he strangled his pregnant wife to death. That part alone is pretty hard to believe, but it gets even more ridiculous as he wraps their dead bodies, loads them into his truck and drives 40 miles to hastily bury his wife and unborn child and squish his two innocent babies into oil tanks.

I have never heard of an innocent person doing something like this. My brain will not accept that it happened that way. You don't drive 40 miles with 3 dead bodies and never think "WTH am I doing? I better pull over and call the police and let them collect evidence to prove what I'm saying is true." He had a long time to think about what he was doing during that drive. He didn't show up later that day with red-rimmed eyes, or dark circles or any other evidence of grief. The very next day he laughed as he said "I just want those kids back so bad."

I have tried to see things from other people's points of view all day today, but I just can't accept his crazy story. I believe he killed them all, hid their dead bodies and destroyed evidence on purpose. He did a horrible thing. It's not Shanann's fault, his family's fault or the AP's fault. He made that choice all on his own.

Those little girls loved him. It breaks my heart. I hope that he will realize what he's doing to all of their loved ones and just admit that he's guilty so this can end and both families can start to heal.

ALL. OF. THIS. Thank you.