Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #33

[kkdj]

Could also be a hickey (somebody here said it looked like a bite mark/shape), maybe from whenever he used the babysitter. Saturday, wasn't it?
MOO

That had occurred to me also but my hickeys always have a more bruised look.

 

[Jennifer17]

I disagree. I know all about grief from personal experience as well as the others mentioned.
It's not uncommon to be stressed and scared for someone else, it's not always one sided.
jmo

Who in your opinion was he stressed and scared for?

 

[kkdj]

Scared and stressed out is not the same thing as grief or regret or sorrow.

Scared and stressed out is about 'himself' ---scared for himself.
Stressed out about being caught.

No grief or sorrow was evident. And this was just one day after he crammed the girls into the tank.

BBM
O.M.G. Absolutely zero show of a conscience.

 

[scdiv]

When I first heard that Chris had deleted his Facebook page a week before his wife and daughters "vanished," my initial thought was that it showed pre-meditation. That he knew what he was going to do, that his family was about to go "missing" and it would be a whole lot easier to not be on Facebook dealing with posts on his wall or people expressing concern or questions or blowing up his page. And how he would have to deal with making posts and playing the concerned husband/father on social media. That it would be easier to have the whole page down. If he knew his family was going to go missing, did he close his page in anticipation?

That was my first thought, but that probably gives him waaay too much credit. It probably had more to do with the affair or Shanann tagging him in posts if he was worried about what his AP could see or just being over Shanann putting the picture perfect facebook life online. (Which sure, social media posturing/hawking can be annoying, but obviously NO justification/excuse/reason for killing your family off.)

I wonder how active he was on his facebook page. Was it just Thrive pimping stuff and posts Shanann had tagged him in? Had she been tagging him all summer until he deleted his page? Did he ever post kid pics or family moments - or any genuine, cute moments that weren't "join me in my amazing lifestyle/buy my product/sell it too" - marketing driven? Did he have any friends of his own or substance to him?

 

[whisperOFwings]

Cute!! I was trying to take a pic of my electric kettle with a measuring tape, but the batts were down in the camera. Yours are a lot cuter!

Lol, thanks. He's already over it. Happy again! LOLOL

 

[Serena Angelique]

I'm not sure what to think about his FB being deleted. I personally am not too into FB, but use it to stay in touch with others and some business contacts but I rarely post. I could easily delete my FB account and never think twice about it.

I wonder if anyone who was on the fence on whether CW murdered the girls has changed their mind about that after seeing the size of the openings their little bodies had to be forced through? A few threads back I recall a discussion about whether the tanks were "mostly full" of oil or not. There seemed to be an effort to deny they could be very full of oil despite official documents noting the bodies were submerged in oil. The relevance of the discussion was lost on me at the time but now I understand. CW did not have time to drain the tanks to use the larger manway hatches at the bottom. So in order to continue to defend and believe CW's version, someone may prefer to think that the media is lying or mistaken amount the amount of oil in the tanks. JMO.

The amount of denial is astounding. Many people insist it isn’t possible because they don’t believe CW could have done anything premeditated and are still hell bent on negatively projecting onto SW’s culpability.

My feeling is that she THOUGHT they were a team and she appointed herself the coach. He was passive aggressively resenting this and got tired of the team effort she demanded and he didn’t know how to assert himself because he has poor communication skills. So she was in lala land and he was stewing with resentment.

Had she known about the affair, and him wanting to leave, she could have convinced herself it was going to blow over. The new baby boy would bring back the old loving Chris! But she was totally unprepared for how much built up anger and resentment was there.

 

[dgfred]

That had occurred to me also but my hickeys always have a more bruised look.

Haha... that is funny.
Looks more like a tiny scratch to me... maybe even done while he was grooming so hard that morning. Jeez.

 

[katydid23]

I don't think they were in plastic bags, although he may have used them to transport them. But there was nothing ever stated about them being in bags, that I have heard. Jmo

So, if it is true that he put them into the oil, no plastic covering them, then that is more evidence that he was the one that strangled the girls. IMO

IF he was not the killer, why would he want to erase all of the evidence that his wife was the one who strangled the babies? That makes no sense to me. NONE.

 

[Jennifer17]

When I first heard that Chris had deleted his Facebook page a week before his wife and daughters "vanished," my initial thought was that it showed pre-meditation. That he knew what he was going to do, that his family was about to go "missing" and it would be a whole lot easier to not be on Facebook dealing with posts on his wall or people expressing concern or questions or blowing up his page. And how he would have to deal with making posts and playing the concerned husband/father on social media. That it would be easier to have the whole page down. If he knew his family was going to go missing, did he close his page in anticipation?

That was my first thought, but that probably gives him waaay too much credit. It probably had more to do with the affair or Shanann tagging him in posts if he was worried about what his AP could see or just being over Shanann putting the picture perfect facebook life online. (Which sure, social media posturing/hawking can be annoying, but obviously NO justification/excuse/reason for killing your family off.)

I wonder how active he was on his facebook page. Was it just Thrive pimping stuff and posts Shanann had tagged him in? Had she been tagging him all summer until he deleted his page? Did he ever post kid pics or family moments - or any genuine, cute moments that weren't "join me in my amazing lifestyle/buy my product/sell it too - marketing driven? Did he have any friends of his own or substance to him?

We don't know what was on his facebook page but it is my bet that there were lots of pics of him and his spiffy shirts.

 

[Mrspratcher]

He ate pizza. He ate anything. After he witnessed his wife slaughter his babies. He ate. And grinned. And wasn't hospitalized. And didn't cry. And he slept. (As evidenced by his clear eyes and lack of bags).

And talked about selling his house; and ignored suggestions from the Thayer's on which leads to follow; and slept in the house where his wife slaughtered his family just hours before. Hmm...yeah, no.

 

[MistyWaters]

They were found 'immersed in oil' and numerous news sites have said that the tanks contained crude oil.
When you do think that they were filled? The bodies were recovered not even two days later and LE had the drone out not long after they disappeared.

Yes I’d read the tanks were quite full when the bodies were recovered. What I was wondering is if it’s known when they were filled. If the information hasn’t been released to the general public, LE and oil company would certainly know.

A highly speculative scenario based on that thought - the girls were murdered first by CR, their bodies placed in empty oil tanks. SW is murdered later when she arrives home and CR transports her body to the same location intending to place her in one of the empty tanks as well but discovers the tanks have since been filled, thus the shallow grave.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Things are getting grim around here. Maybe we should all hold hands and sing kumbaya.

 

[whisperOFwings]

Oh... wait
Looking at my pictures, I just realized, omg

 

[Jennifer17]

And talked about selling his house; and ignored suggestions from the Thayer's on which leads to follow; and slept in the house where his wife slaughtered his family just hours before. Hmm...yeah, no.

But her videos!!!

 

[dgfred]

So, if it is true that he put them into the oil, no plastic covering them, then that is more evidence that he was the one that strangled the girls. IMO

IF he was not the killer, why would he want to erase all of the evidence that his wife was the one who strangled the babies? That makes no sense to me. NONE.

But...
He did get his defense to ask for neck swabs so I am thinking he must think something was perserved... so maybe bags, sacks, or sheets.

 

[Misy]

Okay. I abandoned the idea that I could catch up with this thread. You guys must be speed typing or something.

I'm not taking these videos all that seriously for many reasons, but mostly I just don't see anything in them that would point to either one of them killing their kids. I just don't see it.

What I do see is a man who claims that instead of grabbing his kids and running out into the street wailing in anguish and begging for help, became angry and basically ignored them while he strangled his pregnant wife to death. That part alone is pretty hard to believe, but it gets even more ridiculous as he wraps their dead bodies, loads them into his truck and drives 40 miles to hastily bury his wife and unborn child and squish his two innocent babies into oil tanks.

I have never heard of an innocent person doing something like this. My brain will not accept that it happened that way. You don't drive 40 miles with 3 dead bodies and never think "WTH am I doing? I better pull over and call the police and let them collect evidence to prove what I'm saying is true." He had a long time to think about what he was doing during that drive. He didn't show up later that day with red-rimmed eyes, or dark circles or any other evidence of grief. The very next day he laughed as he said "I just want those kids back so bad."

I have tried to see things from other people's points of view all day today, but I just can't accept his crazy story. I believe he killed them all, hid their dead bodies and destroyed evidence on purpose. He did a horrible thing. It's not Shanann's fault, his family's fault or the AP's fault. He made that choice all on his own.

Those little girls loved him. It breaks my heart. I hope that he will realize what he's doing to all of their loved ones and just admit that he's guilty so this can end and both families can start to heal.

Thank you FlossyMay. I totally agree with everything you say.

 

[NuttMegg]

So, if it is true that he put them into the oil, no plastic covering them, then that is more evidence that he was the one that strangled the girls. IMO

IF he was not the killer, why would he want to erase all of the evidence that his wife was the one who strangled the babies? That makes no sense to me. NONE.

Another gruesome post, just wondering if it is possible to position a body after death to assume the rough shape you want it to be, ie maybe long and thin as possible, so when rigor sets in the body will already be ready for, well, pushing into a small hole in an oil tank. This would be making an assumption that he killed them before her return, in order for the rigor to set in the way he wanted. Sorry, I can't believe some of this.

 

[Jennifer17]

Yes I’d read the tanks were quite full when the bodies were recovered. What I was wondering is if it’s known when they were filled. If the information hasn’t been released to the general public, LE and oil company would certainly know.

A highly speculative scenario based on that thought - the girls were murdered first by CR, their bodies placed in empty oil tanks. SW is murdered later when she arrives home and CR transports her body to the same location intending to place her in one of the empty tanks as well but discovers the tanks have since been filled, thus the shallow grave.

Who is filling oil tanks in between Sunday evening and 5am Monday morning? They took eight hours to empty to get the little girls out, I would imagine it takes as long to fill them.
I think it has been well established that he dumped them in oil.

 

[molly1255]

Just adding something to think about regarding the oil tanks but as I haven’t followed this case very closely, I might be way out in left field.

But how do we know the oil tanks were full when the bodies of the girls were put inside? Maybe they were empty, access to the empty tanks was through the larger door at the bottom and the tanks were filled later from the smaller hole at the top?

I assume the larger bottom door was for the purpose of cleaning the tank of sludge and settlement. Was CW involved in the process, maybe even involved in bolting the larger doors shut prior to an oil shipment?

One reason I wonder if the tanks were frequently filled and emptied is the price of oil is quite high and when that occurs, often oil tanks are used for shorter term storage prior to sale.

This, plus, I think there can be evaporation as well. A gentleman I knew years ago invested in crude oil and the price of the oil quickly dropped. I remember he was in a quandry on what he should do - sell it at the now lower price, or wait for the price to go up and suffer some loss of product due to evaporation.

 

[Jennifer17]

But...
He did get his defense to ask for neck swabs so I am thinking he must think something was perserved... so maybe bags, sacks, or sheets.

I am sure that he didn't ask for the neck swabs, his defence team did because of his story.