Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #34

[BabyButterfly]

I don't think that she got the chance to go, did she?

No she didn't.

 

[WildWest]

I don't think that she got the chance to go, did she?

Poor choice of words, sorry. No, she did not. I should have said "was going to attend kindergarten already".

 

[cottonweaver]

There ya go. My original post was in response to someone saying she is not a professional. I quoted "legal expert" from Wikipedia. Either way, we are all free to choose what we believe from her and her experts.
MOO

Oh okay, you didn't quote wiki because you took it at face value, indeed you did not actually believe it yourself....AB is not in fact a legal expert.

It might be a spoonful of nuance too far but I must add that the first day that @Layla123 started posting her transcripts I was writing thankyou posts for her time and effort. I'm interested in HLN content. Just so we're clear on some things, at least

 

[kkdj]

If I were the HOA I would drop the lawsuit

It wouldn't surprise me if it is stayed at this time. However, unless someone is paying the mortgage on the house it will fall into foreclosure.

 

[Allabouttrial]

For those of you who think SW killed her children, what are you hoping to see in the autopsy reports that will prove that for you?

I don't believe anyone has categorically stated they do believe that to be the case, just querying the possibility and waiting for more evidence to come to light.

 

[Ilovemy3boys]

Although at this time we have a great deal of evidence of one and no evidence at all of the other. We also have no way of knowing if potential psychological issues will be allowed in court. It seems to me they would need evidence to back that up. Jmo

I agree. They can’t diagnose a dead woman in my opinion.

 

[Colorado303]

I don’t condone any actual disposal if children in oil tanks nor do i care to do a re-enactment of such event that gratefully has been confessed to . This is hopefully testimony any family member won’t have to endure. Perhaps some close to the case do need to know. That is not for me to judge if they request it.

I’m sorry. Do you mean we shouldn’t be discussing how big the openings were? What CW would need to do to fit his babies little bodies through the hole? The circumference of a 3 year old? Or all three?

I certainly don’t want to do anything to upset family members, but with all due respect they don’t have to read this board if it’s too disturbing. I believe SWs family avoid it because of too many things said to tear her memory down by people defending a confessed liar/cheater/ murderer.

As more facts of the case are released, I suspect posters will conduct even more horrifying experiments w/measuring devices, family members, and other household items. Maybe even break out more string. Anyone offended by MassGuy’s experiment last night had better brace themselves because that’s what WS is all about. Or perhaps move on to another board not created to discuss forensic evidence....

 

[MerryB]

I have a feeling the autopsy results will incriminate him even more. That may be why the lawyers want it kept sealed. Jmo

Remember it’s the Prosecution that wants it sealed.
MOO

 

[NuttMegg]

@MerryB What is "the other side", ie your side? What, specifically do you think the defense will present as SW's "character" and "potential psychological" issues?

 

[MerryB]

I’m sorry. Do you mean we shouldn’t be discussing how big the openings were? What CW would need to do to fit his babies little bodies through the hole? The circumference of a 3 year old? Or all three?

I certainly don’t want to do anything to upset family members, but with all due respect they don’t have to read this board if it’s too disturbing. I believe SWs family avoid it because of too many things said to tear her memory down by people defending a confessed liar/cheater/ murderer.

As more facts of the case are released, I suspect posters will conduct even more horrifying experiments w/measuring devices, family members, and other household items. Maybe even break out more string. Anyone offended by MassGuy’s experiment last night had better brace themselves because that’s what WS is all about. Or perhaps move on to another board not created to discuss forensic evidence....

This is a genuine question & not intended in any way to be snarky. I worked all day yesterday & am behind on any updates regarding this case.

Do we know for a fact that this was the size of the openings on these particular tanks where the Watts girls were found?

 

[whisperOFwings]

@Colorado303
Were you ever inside the Watts house?
Could you look at the floorplan that @PommyMommy and I have tried to put together to reflect the Watts house. Are the girls' bedrooms right?
Where was SW's office? Was it next to the Master bedroom?
Was her office to be converted to be a nursery for Nico?

If there wasn't a side door to the Watts garage, it means that the keypad
that Chris told LE was "broken" had to have been the door inside the garage that led into the house (shown in Xmas Eve video when SW goes to get CW's phone inside the garage).

Sorry. I've only been outside her house. I can try and find out though.

@Colorado303
Hi Hope you don't mind me asking.
Do you happen to remember if the garage has a 'keypad' anywhere on the outside? Or was there just a 'sensor'?
Thank you

 

[bonjoviblonde]

I don't believe anyone has categorically stated they do believe that to be the case, just querying the possibility and waiting for more evidence to come to light.

I will rephrase the question, for those who think it's possible SW may have been the killer, what do you need to see in the autopsy that would confirm that for you as opposed to CW being their killer. I've seen a few posts way back where it was stated it's believed there's something in the autopsy that could condemn SW. What would that be?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

It’s not a problem for me. If you look back at my posts, I’ve been a proponent of discussing both sides. However, many here have become upset with posters who have explored the defense’s POV. Those same people are now saying they should be able to theorize on the gruesome details of getting the children's bodies into oil tanks. What I am suggesting is that you can’t allow one but condemn posting about the other. MOO

We haven't had the defense POV yet, you're assuming this is the tact they will take, attacking SW's character. I'm not disagreeing it could be the case but it's still an assumption on your part.

What we know, CW has accused SW of killing his daughters as his excuse for killing SW.

 

[Jennifer17]

Remember it’s the Prosecution that wants it sealed.
MOO

As well as prosecuting people for crimes the DA is responsible for making sure that those people get a fair trial.
They do not want any potential jury pool tainted.
It is disingenuous IMO, to imply that something to aid the defence is why they want them sealed.

 

[kkdj]

I have a feeling the autopsy results will incriminate him even more. That may be why the lawyers want it kept sealed. Jmo

I had asked earlier what all the autopsy report would disclose? Obviously it will note COD but will it also note if there are broken bones, burns, bruising, handprints, footprints, cuts, or whatever else might be apparent in an autopsy? I have seen some where it does note these things but I don't know if all of them do or are required to. Secondly, if the autopsy report is made public might it only be a portion that the public is able to see or is it all or nothing?

 

[Allabouttrial]

I’m sorry. Do you mean we shouldn’t be discussing how big the openings were? What CW would need to do to fit his babies little bodies through the hole? The circumference of a 3 year old? Or all three?

I certainly don’t want to do anything to upset family members, but with all due respect they don’t have to read this board if it’s too disturbing. I believe SWs family avoid it because of too many things said to tear her memory down by people defending a confessed liar/cheater/ murderer.

As more facts of the case are released, I suspect posters will conduct even more horrifying experiments w/measuring devices, family members, and other household items. Maybe even break out more string. Anyone offended by MassGuy’s experiment last night had better brace themselves because that’s what WS is all about. Or perhaps move on to another board not created to discuss forensic evidence....

You bring up a good point actually. Our discussions have been somewhat limited in our speculations of SW possibly killing the girls, out of respect to the family and others who may take offense.

I hadn't actually considered how offensive it could possibly be, to family and others, going into graphic details of how the girls may have been disposed.

 

[Colorado303]

Not sure either I use my phone app fir my front door. I can send my friends and family an invitation code and get alerts when they use it. @Colorado303 what kind of front door lock did they use?

I think it was a key — I know when they first were trying to get into the front door they used an actual key.

 

[Tigerlily75]

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For me it’s the most disgusting part of our justice system when murderers are allowed to abuse and re-abuse their victims, so there is no way I am partaking or giving his “story” any credence at all, not without solid evidence.

 

[Colorado303]

@Colorado303 also do you know if the loft where phone was found was between girls rooms? And if that room was used regularly ?

I don’t. Sorry.

 

[Factoria]

I have never had that, although I had to make a police statement for an unexpected and sudden death and when we had gone through the events of that morning, a police person asked me why I had not bathed her, when she first woke in the morning in what I perceived to be a slightly accusing tone.
It was 5 am in the depths of winter.
I was more hurt by the number of friends who told me that they would not have been able to bear the death of one their children and would kill themselves if it happened to them. One of them did lose a child under the same circumstances a few years later and they are still alive, so obviously they just said that for the drama content or to push home the fact that they loved their children more than I did. Turns out, they didn't.

Yes, Jennifer, I had the same thing happen. People can be so utterly thoughtless. IMO.

Thank you for sharing these thoughts. They were truly enlightening to me. A few years ago, close friends of mine lost their two teenaged sons in separate, tragic accidents ~ just 4 days apart. I could not begin to fathom their devastation, and many times thought that if I were faced with that situation, I would surely seek death myself. It honestly never occurred to me that, had I expressed that thought to them, they may have felt that I thought I loved my kids more than they loved theirs! My thought was more that they were so incredibly strong, and that NO parent should ever have to experience such horrific pain and loss. Your comments have made me very grateful that I didn't voice that particular thought to my friends. I'm terribly sorry that you had to hear those hurtful comments, even if the hurt was totally unintentional.