Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #36

[NuttMegg]

In my opinion, he did not put any thought at all to the proper burial. He was just desperate to get rid of the bodies in the most unlikely place they would be found.

They were no longer people, no longer family, no longer anything he had ever loved or pretended to love. No longer little cute and giggly adorable and adoring kids.

 

[Mrspratcher]

New court doc:
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/U Peoples Notice.pdf

People have autopsy reports and have provided them to defence

Filed yesterday. So defense now knows cause and manner of death. Anxious to see whether they want to seal the results.

 

[kkdj]

The imsurance companies do not allow it, do they?

not sure, but if the court ordered for him to keep her on his plan at least temporarily he would need to even if he had it taken out of his paycheck. Imo the fact that he was having an affair and possibly several thru out the marriage would cause the judge to empathize with SW, especially with her being pregnant with his son. I think that right there would cause the judge to order him to keep the coverage on her.

 

[katydid23]

To me, it does not look like they had that great of an income. Private school tuition. Tons of clothes. Electronics.

I recognize many of the girls clothes as coming from Target. The electronics are not really all that expensive.

CW made enough with his stable income to pay the mortgage and monthly bills. Her job paid for their cars and probably paid the tuition fees. JMO

 

[Best of What's Around]

I think either way it could have an effect on public opinion. Imo

Yes, that is my point, perhaps not made well by me. The defense would want info that they perceive MIGHT help their client out there in the public realm, IMO. Right now, MSM is not their friend, IMO.

 

[maeleemae]

Not about blame or justification. I liked Ann Rule books because they go into the family dynamics. Not as an excuse but as a window to issues.

I would like to know what kind of situation all of this was. Otherwise, I would not be reading here.

You are right. Family dynamics should be discussed and they will be discussed in this trial. I think he killed them all. I still believe that. But her online presence, that she willingly put out there, shows me a helpful husband and dad and a distracted mom who had two precious babies. The babies were the innocent ones. I think mom had big insecurity issues and dad had to have some terrible problem to have killed his family if he indeed did kill them. Finances and social media are going to play a big part in the trial. Edited for spelling

 

[katydid23]

I think the mortgage only has to be behind by 3 months. Maybe it was getting close and that's why CW was talking so much about selling the house. Maybe he wanted to sell before it went into foreclosure. Jmo

I am not sure why they would be so behind on the mortgage. He made enough to pay the monthly mortgage with his job.

 

[human]

The imsurance company would not pay for her, would they?

Here you go:

https://mensdivorce.com/qualifying-life-events-insurance/

I'll defer to @gitana1 as family law is not my thing.

From your info.


With the obligation of paying for an ex-spouse’s health insurance, courts are looking to maintain the status quo in policies and practices that were in place prior to the filing of the divorce. Until the decree is finalized, this can require the utilization of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA), for a continuation of coverage for a maximum of 36 months. This bridges the insurance coverage, until the ex-spouse can acquire coverage of their own.

 

[NuttMegg]

Filed yesterday. So defense now knows cause and manner of death. Anxious to see whether they want to seal the results.

Total ignoramous here, regarding the law. (and of lots of other things too!) But if they want it sealed, that would mean it might conflict with his allegations towards SW, and that there tends to be no proof she did it? Or there is definitive proof he did? Kill the children, that is.

 

[Backstroke10]

As was a family member of mine. Would the common denominator be the demographic that reads People magazine? Because that was the only information that the person knew about the case, was the original article in People magazine about the other guy.

Good question. IMO As far as society has come on this issue, more accepting, etc it still seems to be one of those things people don’t like to talk about. Maybe there are a lot of people out there that thought it but didn’t dare say it. IDK JMO

 

[Mellowmelly]

not sure, but if the court ordered for him to keep her on his plan at least temporarily he would need to even if he had it taken out of his paycheck. Imo the fact that he was having an affair and possibly several thru out the marriage would cause the judge to empathize with SW, especially with her being pregnant with his son. I think that right there would cause the judge to order him to keep the coverage on her.

I just had a horrible thought from reading your post, about him having an affair and possibly several affairs. He could have given SW an std, I wonder if she ever caught anything off him or got herself tested. If so could this be evidence the prosecution could possibly use ? To show his lack of commitment and faithfulness. JMO

 

[MsBetsy]

It seems to me that CW might be lying about who wanted the separation. Think about this for a second. SW went to NC for 6 weeks, leaving CW alone for 5 of those. If she already knew he was having an affair then I'll bet she went there to set up plans for moving back. Imo a person doesn't leave their mate alone for 5 weeks, knowing that person is having an affair, without thinking it's over. Plus SW told others they were going to separate. CW did say they had an emotional discussion that early morning because he wanted to separate. That fits into his tale of her freaking out and killing the girls. I'll bet it's the opposite. She wanted the separation, he freaked out and killed them all. imo

You may be right. All part of him transferring his own behavior onto the victim. Imo

 

[mtnlites]

I recognize many of the girls clothes as coming from Target. The electronics are not really all that expensive.

CW made enough with his stable income to pay the mortgage and monthly bills. Her job paid for their cars and probably paid the tuition fees. JMO

I also recognize the clothes as being from Target. It is possible to dress well on a budget-shop sales off season, buy used designer clothing from consignment sales, factory stores, etc. Off season sales even from stores like Macys can net awesome bargains.

 

[human]

This was posted by SW's verified friend on a previous thread:
@isalybra

"The ranks go from 80k to 200K, a big jump. In April her monthly sales were about 130k"​

The Le-Vel rewards plan:
https://media.le-vel.com/Documents/RewardsPlan.pdf
If I understand their lingo correctly, SW would have earned 20% on her direct sales, 12% on her level 1 customers and 4% on level 2 & 3 customers.

There are also Uni-level team commissions. SW was 80K VIP sales (monthly), so she would have earned 4% for 8 levels down.

There are other bonuses as well like "Infinity fast start", auto bonuses, all inclusive trips, etc.

I'll bet CW's sales were mainly from SW's effort and they did so to maximize their overall family income because they would be essentially doubling their downline commission to a point. JMO

So she was making at least $20,000 a month?

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Filed yesterday. So defense now knows cause and manner of death. Anxious to see whether they want to seal the results.

The prosecutors filed a motion to seal the autopsies prior to having them.
jmo

 

[Thepoet]

It's interesting that you say that because I have been thinking of the kind of person CW was before he met his wife. We know he was quiet and didn't have girlfriends in high school. He was shy. Or maybe just antisocial. Maybe he had little confidence in himself. It does appear that his wife at times tried to build it up by always complimenting him. Maybe he was an underacheiver, and regretted not living up to his goal of being a NASCAR mechanic. I wonder why he picked "relationships" as his topic in the Communications class. Maybe he was looking to have a marriage and children and was trying to figure out how intimate relationships work. He may be the kind of person who depends on direction or someone to run things in a relationship. He seemed to be compliant, and SW was the more dominant partner. Maybe he felt like he was a failure. One of the interesting things I read about family annihilators is the type who murders his family to "save them" from his own failures, in other words, himself. It's more complicated than that but it might be something to consider. Jmo

Yes, well said. There's so little about CW before he and SW got together. We know more about her. I'd like to learn more about CW, myself.

 

[MsBetsy]

They were no longer people, no longer family, no longer anything he had ever loved or pretended to love. No longer little cute and giggly adorable and adoring kids.

Exactly. And if he had spent weeks distancing himself from his family, it might have been very easy for him. Jmo

 

[katydid23]

Yes, and thats the risk you take if you dont file 13 first. That's why I dont understand. Unless your income is stable and you have money in the bank to support the mortgage just in case. I would think all the money would be going into the mortgage, and there were other expenses like daycare and car payments, which doesn't leave much left for savings. Jmo

I don't think they had any car payments because her employer gave them the monthly car payments as part of her pay.

I think he made enough to pay the mortgage. They may have had some credit card debt, but I doubt that they had very high credit limits, because they had a bankruptcy discharge just a 3 years prior.

 

[BabyButterfly]

I'm not certain about this. He would have to notify his employer he was divorced, and then she would would be removed from his plan. But, if he never removed her, she could theoretically stay on the plan.

My ex did just that. He didn't notify the company of our divorce for 6 months, so I had time to get alternative insurance.

 

[Mrspratcher]

Total ignoramous here, regarding the law. (and of lots of other things too!) But if they want it sealed, that would mean it might conflict with his allegations towards SW, and that there tends to be no proof she did it? Or definitive proof he did? Kill the children, that is.

I see it two ways: (i) same as the prosecution - they don't want to taint the potential jury pool; or (ii) they don't like what they see.

 

[Shekkiec]

I do not think insurance allows someone to be ona policy who is not a child or a spouse

Good point ! I was focused on child expenses not her insurance individually

 

[pocketaccent]

I just had a horrible thought from reading your post, about him having an affair and possibly several affairs. He could have given SW an std, I wonder if she ever caught anything off him or got herself tested. If so could this be evidence the prosecution could possibly use ? To show his lack of commitment and faithfulness. JMO

Hmmm... That is why she had to die that early morning? Before she goes to the doctor's appointment?