Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #36

[gitana1]

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@sun16 Do you have a link regarding SW having no will or last testament? Would CW still legally be entitled to proceeds et al of the home/estate or does the "Slayer Rule" come into play?



@sun16 I don't think it is going to be complicated as that to stop CW from inheriting assets from the estate based on the "Slayer Rule". Basically because CW killed SW, "slayer" being CW, would be treated as though he had predeceased the person who had been murdered, therefore his share of the estate would pass to her issue. Hence, why SW's family currently have access to their home and likely moving forward to ready the home for sale.

Yes! However he hasn't been determined to be guilty yet but probate would undoubtedly hold off on dispensing any proceeds to CW pending the outcome of trial.

At this stage CW had to have allowed the family into the home to take possession of certain items.

That's much better than some of these annihilators like scott Peterson.

Colorado Revised Statutes Title 15. Probate, Trusts, and Fiduciaries § 15-11-803 | FindLaw

 

[Shekkiec]

It wasn’t exactly positive, and it was very one sided. This was different from the VI’s who were closer to Shanann, who reserved judgement on CW.

My point was that these people can provide color and clarity, but don’t change the facts. They could also be biased based on their proximity to the victim or suspect.

They should not change our view as to who is the victim, and who is the killer, as facts are facts, and anecdotes are not.

So if a VI seemed closer to SW you would take that more at value or equal value?

 

[Deleted member 230544]

Bluff said: ↑
@sun16 Do you have a link regarding SW having no will or last testament? Would CW still legally be entitled to proceeds et al of the home/estate or does the "Slayer Rule" come into play?



@sun16 I don't think it is going to be complicated as that to stop CW from inheriting assets from the estate based on the "Slayer Rule". Basically because CW killed SW, "slayer" being CW, would be treated as though he had predeceased the person who had been murdered, therefore his share of the estate would pass to her issue. Hence, why SW's family currently have access to their home and likely moving forward to ready the home for sale.

Edit to add to my post: This "Slayer Rule" also explains why CW has a public defender versus a private attorney since he won't have access to the marital home to sell to fund his defense.

 

[Mrspratcher]

Right. But that evening, he showed his true colors, IMO. The Thayers were brainstorming ways to find his missing family, trying to figure out where they might have gone, and how to search for them.

And while they were urgently planning how to find them, he showed total disinterest. He was ambivalent about searching and brainstorming. Of course, now we know that's because he had already disposed of them.

But if he is telling the truth about what really happened, wouldn't they have expected to see a grieving, broken man? Because they described a man who was focused on his cell and very interested in what others were thinking about his interviews. And he wanted Pizza. They didn't see a inconsolable, suffering man who had just buried his family.

Enjoying pizza after he slaughtered his family.

 

[Shekkiec]

The family sure as hell doesn’t want him to use any proceeds for his defense.

But they wouldn’t gain control until his conviction right ?

 

[MassGuy]

So if a VI seemed closer to SW you would take that more at value or equal value?

Equal. Unless they were one sided, in which case I might be inclined to believe that there was more in play. If they say positive things about one, and are limited in their negativity towards the other, that strikes me as far more believable than the alternative.

Either way, they don't change my view here, as I focus on what I know to be true, as opposed to personal observations.

 

[PommyMommy]

I believe that was figured up as a 15 year mortgage, which is probably unlikely given the low down payment and FHA financing. I would place my bets on it being a 30 year mortgage. If he got the 3.5% interest rate, and financed the home at $397,000, his mortgage on a 30 year before insurance/taxes would be $1783/mo. If I had to wager, factoring in the insurance and taxes, the monthly payment was in the $2000-2500 range.

Where are you getting the $397,000 figure? I have $392,709. ? Also, I just tried to pull up the taxes and it looks like the server is down, but I looked at them back in Thread #3 and remember them being somewhere around $3,000 - $3,500 vs. $4,000, which would also make the monthly payment less.
MOO

 

[Mrspratcher]

ugghhh...that is horrible. Cant probate attorneys hash this out without her family having to speak to this guy?

Don’t think he has representation. He can’t afford one.

 

[MerryB]

It wasn’t exactly positive, and it was very one sided. This was different from the VI’s who were closer to Shanann, who reserved judgement on CW.

My point was that these people can provide color and clarity, but don’t change the facts. They could also be biased based on their proximity to the victim or suspect.

They should not change our view as to who is the victim, and who is the killer, as facts are facts, and anecdotes are not.

If you are referring to @Trinket78, I believe she had stated she knew both CW & SW.

 

[Amonet]

Yes, maybe he killed her shortly after she returned home and that's what seeing her "real quick" is really about. Also a way to close the conversation, or at least avoid talking about what happened at that time, kind of like in his interview when he says they had an emotional conversation and then quickly states, "I'll leave it at that." This guy is just too easy to read. Imo

Exactly. I still remember how he blustered terribly when the interviewer asked him what he wanted to say to those who suspected he had something to do with the 'disappearance' and he totally avoided answering the question.

So anywhere that he blusters like that, or anywhere that he has strong avoidance to answering the question as asked, any time that he starts to say something and then quickly changes the topic....I think they could well be hiding key things about that night.

And let's not forget "she barely let me..."

 

[Deleted member 230544]

Yes! However he hasn't been determined to be guilty yet but probate would undoubtedly hold off on dispensing any proceeds to CW pending the outcome of trial.

At this stage CW had to have allowed the family into the home to take possession of certain items.

That's much better than some of these annihilators like scott Peterson.

Colorado Revised Statutes Title 15. Probate, Trusts, and Fiduciaries § 15-11-803 | FindLaw

<modsnip - do not tag the member whose post you are quoting> Granted it will take due process and time to get to this point but the Slayer Rules states the following:


While convicting someone of the crime of murder requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the slayer rule applies to civil law, not criminal law, so it is only necessary to prove the wrongful killing by a preponderance of the evidence, as in a wrongful death claim. This means that even a slayer who is acquitted of the murder in criminal court can still be divested of the inheritance by the civil court administering the estate.

Slayer rule - Wikipedia

 

[NuttMegg]

So if a VI seemed closer to SW you would take that more at value or equal value?

The VI that is closer to SW does not say negative things about CW. We all evaluate all posters, their seriousness and POV, same with VIs.

 

[mtnlites]

They felt safe enough to have him in their house and if you listen to the interview which I can provide link they were extremely surprised. Nick Thayer even ran with them , they had holidays together . I thought the question was related to signs of character beforehand imo

And yet they saw something so disturbing that they almost immediately contacted LE with their suspicions.

 

[katydid23]

So if a VI seemed closer to SW you would take that more at value or equal value?

If a VI had closer ties and closer relationship with SW, I'd take their opinion towards SW at a high value, but their opinion of CW would be less unbiased, perhaps.

If a VI has a close bond/relationship with CW, then I hold what they say about CW as credible. But what they say about SW seems like it could be biased, IMO

 

[MsBetsy]

Maybe she didn't have any stds at that time.

I would think it unlikely she had an std just one month later

 

[BabyButterfly]

So what was his basis ?

I never asked him. I was too busy grieving.

 

[MsBetsy]

And yet they saw something so disturbing that they almost immediately contacted LE with their suspicions.

I'm sure they were extremely surprised at his deception!

 

[PommyMommy]

From your article. OMG!


First, he beat his healthy son to death with a baseball bat as he slept in bed, followed by his disabled son and young daughter while they were watching television. When he wife came home, he bludgeoned her to death with the very same bat.

After several failed suicide attempts, Lowe was brought to trial where his lawyers argued that as a result of the intense pressure and stress, he simply snapped on that fateful day and had no understanding that what he did was wrong. Shockingly, he was eventually acquitted by reason of mental disease. Lowe even went on to remarry and start another family.

I know...horrible, awful, tragic case.

Also from the article:
At times, it appears that fathers turn to murder when the pressures of life abound. They feel that they aren’t able to cope with the increasing demands and the feeling of helplessness overwhelm them to the extent that they believe murder is their only way out.

MOO

 

[mtnlites]

Keep your eye on the legislation which is moving forward about reinstituting denial for preexisting conditions

I will cross that bridge if it is ever built.

 

[BabyButterfly]

@BabyButterfly It would be of interest to know what specifically lead your hubby to make the observation that CW was gay as it seems to be a sticking point in this case as to motive.

I will ask him when I see him.

 

[Ronso]

Watching AB - FBI

Where are you getting the $397,000 figure? I have $392,709. ? Also, I just tried to pull up the taxes and it looks like the server is down, but I looked at them back in Thread #3 and remember them being somewhere around $3,000 - $3,500 vs. $4,000, which would also make the monthly payment less.
MOO

I was just throwing a figure out that was close to what they paid because I didn't have the exact figure on hand.