Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #36

[PommyMommy]

@gitana1 I think any and all VI's who claim to have had contact with SW and CW whether they live in CO or NC or anywhere for that matter, should all be taken at equal face value.
Whether a person is geographically close or not, does not determine the closeness of that relationship and what is being disclosed between them. And similarly, friends who live nearby CW and SW may not have any clue as to what is really going on with SW or CW hence the overall consensus that people never saw this coming with this family.

Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #23
"Hi Everyone,

We have a verified insider in the Watts case. Please join me in welcoming Trinket78.

As a verified member Trinket78 is not required to provide links for anything Trinket78 posts.

It is up to you whether you believe Trinket78 or not.

You are allowed to question our verified insiders but verified insiders are not required to answer your question.

YOU MUST TREAT A VERIFIED INSIDER WITH RESPECT. If you disagree with any VI, including Trinket78 you cannot become snarky, rude, or sarcastic.

If you don't agree with what a VI is saying then scroll on by. Move on. Problem solved.

In this case, we have a suspect who is telling a much different story than what prosecutors say happened. Both sides are allowed to be discussed as long as you all do so in a respectful manner.

Thank you.

The Watts thread will be open by 7:30 AM Mountain time.

Tricia"

 

[gitana1]

Wow. I only worked with people in poverty so I thought they were the only omes eligible for Medicaid.

A lot of is need to redo our lives , make companies to have a business and then get ourselves covered with Medicaid.

My understanding that millions in the US have filed bankruptcy because of medical bills, Someone needs to spread the word that there is a way to peotect yourself from financial ruin

There is in 12 states. For now.

As I said, Medicaid expanded. In states that agreed to expand it.

What is your theory for how this might relate to this case?

 

[NuttMegg]

Bluff said: ↑
@gitana1 I think any and all VI's who claim to have had contact with SW and CW whether they live in CO or NC or anywhere for that matter, should all be taken at equal face value.
Whether a person is geographically close or not, does not determine the closeness of that relationship and what is being disclosed between them. And similarly, friends who live nearby CW and SW may not have any clue as to what is really going on with SW or CW hence the overall consensus that people never saw this coming with this family.



@NuttMegg Obviously my post was not about posters in general. My post was specific to VI's who claimed to know CW and SW personally. In my opinion, the VI's should be taken at equal face value based on what they are posting meaning one VI is no less credible then the other. That is not to say that one can not make their own opinion on how much credence to give each VI.

Thanks for clearing that up, but lol I still don't agree with you. I tend to give more weight to the opinions of some VIs, especially if they explain their thoughts more in full. (No I don't mean giving out secrets). Others I don't listen to as much if posts are too cryptic for me to understand where they are coming from. Even some of the lawyers explain things better for my limited knowledge of the law than do others.
Not that I think anyone is necessarily lying, just that I need fuller explanations.

 

[k-mac]

Respectfully, she corrected this post long ago & said her wording had been inadvertently misleading. She did not mean to imply she knew about the AP before anyone else. I’ll try to find the post & add it here.

its so hard to keep up with this thread :-(
is this the same VI who stated something to the effect of a negative reason the kids were or were not going to particular preschool?

its very hard when we are not allowed to critique or judge what they say but they are allowed to throw out misleading and subjective statements that just create innuendo. and confusion.

be good if mods had to clear VI POSTS before posted maybe something to think about to avoid misconceptions of what they say etc and that way mods know if a statement is simply going to send the thread off course.
jmo
just thinking out loud!

 

[Deleted member 230544]

Bluff said: ↑
@gitana1 I think any and all VI's who claim to have had contact with SW and CW whether they live in CO or NC or anywhere for that matter, should all be taken at equal face value.
Whether a person is geographically close or not, does not determine the closeness of that relationship and what is being disclosed between them. And similarly, friends who live nearby CW and SW may not have any clue as to what is really going on with SW or CW hence the overall consensus that people never saw this coming with this family.

Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #23

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Thank you PommyMommy ~ that is exactly my point.

 

[gitana1]

I can't fathom that either. Excruciating.

Legally, can they hire a probate attorney and have their lawyer stand in to represent them on the call so they don't have to be in on it personally?

Yes.

 

[MsBetsy]

Thank you. I don’t really know because I’ve managed to get thru life without having to file. Evidently, they were allowed to stay in their home. Not sure how that works.

I only know because I filed chapter 13 in order to keep my home. I had to pay back the trustees for 3 years. With chapter 7 the bank uses some of your assets to pay back the dept so you dont have to pay anything back after you file.

 

[idfinch]

I can't fathom that either. Excruciating.

Legally, can they hire a probate attorney and have their lawyer stand in to represent them on the call so they don't have to be in on it personally?

Yes.

Thank you, gitana1. And thank goodness, for their sake.

 

[liltexans]

MOD NOTE

Please do not tag other members when you are already replying directly (i.e., quoting) their posts.

If I quote a post from gitana1, for example, meaning that her post is included in my reply, then I don't need to also tag gitana1 with @gitana1. She will now get 2 alerts in her notifications, when one is sufficient.

The tag feature, using the @ symbol, is really only needed if you are not directly quoting another poster. Let's say several of us are discussing family law, but none of us is a lawyer and we don't really know the legal answer. So one of us tags @gitana1 so that when she has a chance, she can come on the thread, read the post, and provide an answer.

I hope that makes sense and I hope you don't mind my using your name in this example, gitana1.

 

[Amonet]

Isn't that type of job a little unpredictable? Maybe you can make a lot of money for two months and then have two months when you don't make much at all? So that you can't really rely on a consistent income? I've seen many people who have similar jobs whose situation or salary has changed drastically in a short period of time. Jmo

Her business still seems to be in the growth stage, and she has so many friends wearing those patches and they are likely to be somewhere in her downline, even if not on her first level. If they're buying the patches and other stuff monthly, then the earnings should still be going up each month. Give it a few years and people decide they'll stop using the products or switch to a different produce, then her monthly earnings would likely start dipping in some months as she tries to replace those who fall out of purchasing, and then dive completely as the product loses its power to sell. But at the time she died she seems to have been on the rise of the curve, not anywhere near the slide down the other side of the curve.

By the time the slide down the other side of the curve comes, Shanann could have got into another MLM (as she seems to work more than one at a time as long as they don't conflict with each other, for example the patches mixed in with beauty products and having a party to help out a friend who's doing a clothing thing) or the children might have all been in school by then and she could decide to work outside the home again, and with the savvy she has there, even without a college degree (which she could have worked on if she chose when there were two children in school and only one at home) she seems to have the competency for a lower level managerial job that could give her the same kind of income.

 

[gitana1]

Bluff said: ↑
@gitana1 I think any and all VI's who claim to have had contact with SW and CW whether they live in CO or NC or anywhere for that matter, should all be taken at equal face value.
Whether a person is geographically close or not, does not determine the closeness of that relationship and what is being disclosed between them. And similarly, friends who live nearby CW and SW may not have any clue as to what is really going on with SW or CW hence the overall consensus that people never saw this coming with this family.



@PommyMommy Thank you ~ that is exactly my point.

No. That does not say we have to give equal weight to all VI's opinions.

 

[MerryB]

As I was looking for a particular post of Trinket’s for another post regarding the AP, I came across a few others I thought I’d bring forward to hopefully address some misconceptions about her perspective.

The threads are closed so I could not use multi-quote to bring them here. I apologize if there’s a better way to do this that I’m not aware of.

Misconception: Trinket only knew CW well.

I knew them BOTH very well.

Misconceptions: CW never had a girlfriend until he met SW. He went to Miami U.

He didn’t have many girlfriends.
He went to NASCAR tech.

Misconception: This VI didn’t like SW or know her well enough to have a valid opinion.

I wouldn’t say I disliked her. There were times I liked her very much. I knew her in a different capacity. I witnessed things MANY probably have not. That’s why I am able to look at this the way that I do.

MOO

 

[human]

That's what I was wondering. Sounds odd to me.

I wonder if the state is demanding it as they want money towards his defense costs

 

[Shekkiec]

I can't imagine Shannan's family sitting together at a table and having an open phone line with the man who murdered their daughter & grandchildren listening at the other end. These poor people.

I would think it would be his appointed attorneys and theirs present as well moo

 

[Shekkiec]

As I was looking for a particular post of Trinket’s for another post regarding the AP, I came across a few others I thought I’d bring forward to hopefully address some misconceptions about her perspective.

The threads are closed so I could not use multi-quote to bring them here. I apologize if there’s a better way to do this that I’m not aware of.

Misconception: Trinket only knew CW well.


Misconceptions: CW never had a girlfriend until he met SW. He went to Miami U.


Misconception: This VI didn’t like SW or know her well enough to have a valid opinion.


MOO

Thank you for finding those responses

 

[mtnlites]

No. That does not say we have to give equal weight to all VI's opinions.

I was under the impression that while we must be respectful, we don't have to agree with ANYONE'S opinions.

 

[MsBetsy]

its so hard to keep up with this thread :-(
is this the same VI who stated something to the effect of a negative reason the kids were or were not going to particular preschool?

its very hard when we are not allowed to critique or judge what they say but they are allowed to throw out misleading and subjective statements that just create innuendo. and confusion.

be good if mods had to clear VI POSTS before posted maybe something to think about to avoid misconceptions of what they say etc and that way mods know if a statement is simply going to send the thread off course.
jmo
just thinking out loud!

No, it was not the same VI who made the statement about the school. Anyway one school was a private school and since that would cost more, then the reason might be because of costs imo.

 

[Deleted member 230544]

its so hard to keep up with this thread :-(
is this the same VI who stated something to the effect of a negative reason the kids were or were not going to particular preschool?

its very hard when we are not allowed to critique or judge what they say but they are allowed to throw out misleading and subjective statements that just create innuendo. and confusion.

be good if mods had to clear VI POSTS before posted maybe something to think about to avoid misconceptions of what they say etc and that way mods know if a statement is simply going to send the thread off course.
jmo
just thinking out loud!

BBM
<modsnip - do not tag the member whose post you are quoting>
No that was Colorado303 k-mac
Trust me, you really don’t want me to answer this.
Colorado303, Saturday at 5:22 PM

 

[MerryB]

its so hard to keep up with this thread :-(
is this the same VI who stated something to the effect of a negative reason the kids were or were not going to particular preschool?

its very hard when we are not allowed to critique or judge what they say but they are allowed to throw out misleading and subjective statements that just create innuendo. and confusion.

be good if mods had to clear VI POSTS before posted maybe something to think about to avoid misconceptions of what they say etc and that way mods know if a statement is simply going to send the thread off course.
jmo
just thinking out loud!

@Trinket78 was the one who said she found out about the AP when everyone else did (“at the start” was initially perceived to mean at the start of the affair, which she later clarified).

@Colorado303 is the one who hinted at a potentially salacious reason Bella was changing schools.

Hope this helps! MOO

 

[liltexans]

I was under the impression that while we must be respectful, we don't have to agree with ANYONE'S opinions.

Correct. Respect is required. Belief or agreement is not. The primary advantage that VIs have is that they are not required to provide links to support their statements.