Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #36

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  • #781
Oh, I sure hope you are right about knowing by Friday. I feel like I'm on a merry-go-round reading these threads with the same arguments coming up over and over and over again. But at the same time I can't stop reading. I want to know when something new happens. I think this might be the first case I want to follow all the way through trial. I usually lose interest once someone is charged and only keep up through the media threads (if at all). For some reason I'm hooked on this case.
You are not alone. This case has drawn attention worldwide. I was busy with work and took some time away because of the repetitiveness of the posts. I do like to check in when something noteworthy occurs like the autopsies or other filings in the case.
 
  • #782
cailleach If and when the family wants SW's facebook account that is memorialized be removed/deleted it is a simple process to make that happen.

No it's not. That SM is now evidence and likely can't be touched at this point. Although they could probably make it private.
 
  • #783
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MsBetsy I am not as concerned with the outcome at this point because if it is determined that CW is guilty of all charges then people will obviously accept it. I am more interested in the process and having a fair and impartial trial <modsnip - unnecessary>.

As a lawyer with a great deal of respect for the Constitution, I take insult at the statement that having a fair and impartial trial is not the popular opinion. No one has said that there should not be a trial or that they wish he would be shot dead today. However, there is a great deal of evidence pointing to his guilt; a fair and impartial trial does not mean giving both sides a 50/50, ignoring all evidence, and simply waiting.
 
  • #784
Oh, I sure hope you are right about knowing by Friday. I feel like I'm on a merry-go-round reading these threads with the same arguments coming up over and over and over again. But at the same time I can't stop reading. I want to know when something new happens. I think this might be the first case I want to follow all the way through trial. I usually lose interest once someone is charged and only keep up through the media threads (if at all). For some reason I'm hooked on this case.

Per the initial order they had two days from receipt of the report to respond to the state's motion. So I think by Friday is accurate. Or Thursday.
 
  • #785
Would anyone care to share what evidence they would need to sway from "SW may have done this" to "CW did all of this"? Is there anything that would sway you or cause you to change your mind?

I need more evidence or just more information in general. I have not been swayed enough to say he’s guilty on all 5 counts and a trial is not needed.
jmo
 
  • #786
Would anyone care to share what evidence they would need to sway from "SW may have done this" to "CW did all of this"? Is there anything that would sway you or cause you to change your mind?
The fact the bed had been stripped of its bedding on the same day SW was murdered is the best evidence so far that she didn't strangle her children. IMO

IMO She was sleeping when CW strangled her. She wouldn't just go to sleep after she had strangled her children. And after CW strangled her, SW couldn't have strangled her children.
 
  • #787
Literally no one wants a trial that isn't fair. But we are not members of a jury, and we can make our own judgements based upon the evidence we have, evidence that is incredibly compelling. I have not read a word from anyone, who says that he should be convicted without a trial.
And imo.... I have not read a word to believe anything other than CW Is exactly who he presented he is. A cold blooded killer who dumps his babies one by one up ladders into oil, murders his wife and unborn child and piles dirt over them, lies to the public and cheats on his wife.

And imo I have not read a word to believe anything other than Shanann was a loving mother to CeCe and Bella, a supportive and loving wife to her husband, and a provider for her family. Including all those vacations CW got to enjoy as a result of her hard work.
imo

Edited to add: of course we all want a fair trial. I don't want him to win on appeal. jmo
 
  • #788
He dumped his kids in oil and lied about it, and that's the least of what he did.

She left her social media up, and somehow that's the worse crime.

Agree. Breaks my heart to read all the hatefull comments under those youtube videos. There are new uploads everyday and many people are like "oh... I mean she didn't deserve this BUT ...". In my opinion there is no "but". Whatever she might have said or done to CW you can not compare it to his gruesome actions! Not only to his wife but to his small children. After he did what he did nobody should ever feel sorry for him. I just can not understand why this guy is defended so much.
 
  • #789
You're right Gitana. They know what they're up against now.

Katydid, ignoring or excusing CW's actions.....that's the part I really don't understand. Even if SW did strangle her girls, which I don't believe, it seems the things we KNOW he did for a fact are being ignored or excused or downplayed. I've never seen sympathy for a murderer like this before.
 
  • #790
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MsBetsy I am not as concerned with the outcome at this point because if it is determined that CW is guilty of all charges then people will obviously accept it. I am more interested in the process and having a fair and impartial trial which I realize is not the popular view on this site.
Look at the backgrounds of both legal teams and the bench. He will have a fair and impartial trial. Even the State seeks to protect the process.
 
  • #791
Even if we accept the 'bad things' that people say about SW, how does that explain CW's behavior and demeanor after the tragic incident?

If he really did see her in the monitor, strangling the 2nd child, why didn't he hit the panic alarm button? Why didn't call an ambulance to see if the child could be revived? Why didn't he scream at the top of his lungs for help?

His actions in that moment didn't make any sense. A loving caring father would put his child's life over his urge for revenge against his pregnant wife. How can you explain his actions? He sees his children strangled to death, then minutes later kills his only surviving child, also by strangulation?

Explain how that makes any sense?

And I do not accept that 'panic' excuse. What he did in the next few hours was not a panicked response. He backed the truck into the driveway, wrapped the bodies in garbage bags, and loaded them into the back seat. That was a measured, rational response. Not a panicked, unthinking response.


'And his calm demeanor the next day, where he smiled at the press and modeled his fave t-shirt. That looked like a man that was relieved and upbeat. There was no grief or suffering evident. How could he be so casual after seeing his babies doe a gruespme death?

So we can all pick SW apart and say she cruelly squirted her laughing child in a water fight, and forced them to sit on Daddy Santa's lap, and took them to the doctor too often, etc etc. But none of that can explain his total lack of regard for the dying children. JMO IMO MOO

Well said. And you would think that a loving father's panic in saving his own children would override his panic for his own life.

I think CW clearly showed us where his priorities lied. Jmo
 
  • #792
Huge social media presence I reckon, makes it more real.

I'm not on social media. I only read about it here and in the MSM. I think it's the many intelligent posters and knowledgeable professionals contributing here that have kept me reading thread after thread. JMO.
 
  • #793
No it's not. That SM is now evidence and likely can't be touched at this point. Although they could probably make it private.
They've more than likely got the info stored by now and also even if you delete the account FB can retrieve it with a warrant if need be. Pretty sure they will have obtained a search warrant for CW's deleted account.
ETA: Obviously you will know about the search warrant for his account.
 
  • #794
cailleach If and when the family wants SW's facebook account that is memorialized be removed/deleted it is a simple process to make that happen.

That’s interesting. I remember reading a post that said once it’s memorialized, it’s there forever. As if no one has any control over it at that point.
 
  • #795
I need more evidence or just more information in general. I have not been swayed enough to say he’s guilty on all 5 counts and a trial is not needed.
jmo

I don't think anyone thinks a trial is not needed. This is the United States of America. Every one is entitled to due process. We would be a dictatorship without it.

But citizens are also entitled, as long as they aren't part of his court process, to forming opinions in the absence of a judgment from a court of law, and that is not a violation of his due process rights.

I feel this post could insinuate that people who have formed such opinions represent a lynch mob. I don't think one person here would advocate sending CW to the gallows without a fair trial.
 
  • #796
You're right Gitana. They know what they're up against now.

Katydid, ignoring or excusing CW's actions.....that's the part I really don't understand. Even if SW did strangle her girls, which I don't believe, it seems the things we KNOW he did for a fact are being ignored or excused or downplayed. I've never seen sympathy for a murderer like this before.

Just wait until Netflix gets their hands on this case. They really know how to bring out sympathy for a murderer.

But I digress.

Everyone, please stop and think before you post. This is not about being "right" or "wrong". This is about a multiple homicide involving a pregnant woman and dead children. This is bigger than all of us. The bickering and sniping has got to stop NOW.
 
  • #797
As a lawyer with a great deal of respect for the Constitution, I take insult at the statement that having a fair and impartial trial is not the popular opinion. No one has said that there should not be a trial or that they wish he would be shot dead today. However, there is a great deal of evidence pointing to his guilt; a fair and impartial trial does not mean giving both sides a 50/50, ignoring all evidence, and simply waiting.
riolove77 even for a lawyer you have to admit that CW has been deemed 100 percent guilty for all the crimes he is charged with despite all the evidence coming forward as yet.
 
  • #798
@Trinket78 was the one who said she found out about the AP when everyone else did (“at the start” was initially perceived to mean at the start of the affair, which she later clarified).

@Colorado303 is the one who hinted at a potentially salacious reason Bella was changing schools.

Hope this helps! MOO


She said she knew about the AP from the beginning. how could that mean anything other than what it actually says? Her 'clarification' was not really a clarification. It was a retraction and a denial. JMO IMO MOO
 
  • #799
cailleach If and when the family wants SW's facebook account that is memorialized be removed/deleted it is a simple process to make that happen.
I am sure they are confident there will be a day when it serves its intended purpose free from the speculations it's been used to fuel currently.
 
  • #800
The fact the bed had been stripped of its bedding on the same day SW was murdered is the best evidence so far that she didn't strangle her children. IMO

IMO She was sleeping when CW strangled her. She wouldn't just go to sleep after she had strangled her children. And after CW strangled her, SW couldn't have strangled her children.

Maybe she stripped the bed after they woke up because she was planning on washing it. If I remember correctly, they normally woke up around 4 am and we all know her house was spotless.
jmo
 
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